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[TEWR]

secretsandlies wrote...

I have little hope to see Loghain in Orlais, but there is some problems with it. no Blight and his age.

Wardens don't need a Blight to appear. And given the situation with Orlesian nobles wanting to invade and reconquer Ferelden and Loghain's patriotism -- not even counting how his last name translates to "Son of the Land" -- I'd say he'd be the first to flip tables and punch Orlesians*, ride on an ebony mare in the midnight rain**, and organize Ferelden's defenses so as to protect his homeland.

Daggers and all.

As for his age, well... DG has said that while he didn't originally intend for the Wardens to be able to live for 30 more years after the Joining, he's now content with it remaining such. And besides, Loghain's still alive and still in his prime. 

As a Warden, I'd imagine he'd have to keep himself in great physical condition. And that's not even touching upon how the Taint grants certain physical benefits to the Wardens -- Morrigan hints at it, Avernus' research displays some of it.

*Or flipping Orlesians and punching tables

** bonus points if it's done in slow-motion.

And since I'm at the top of the page, here's my post from the bottom of the previous page.

MisterJB wrote...

Personally, I wish Feinryel would become an antagonist. Just once, I'd like to see an option to trust a mage backfiring.

God no. DAII did that to death. Considering Feynriel states in DAII that he looks at how Tevinter acts and says "sometimes I understand the Templars" it'd be idiotic for Bioware to have him go "LOL I'm evil now!!!" all to sate some idea that "Trusting Mages is dangerous business!!".

Tevinter breeds more malicious people then benevolent ones, yes that's true. But to say no person in Tevinter can be benevolent by virtue of the fact they're living in Tevinter would be erroneous, given that historically one Mage ascended to the Archon's seat and outlawed slavery.

To which he was promptly assassinated, but the point remains that you can remain a good person in Tevinter. More so if say, for instance, you don't have to deal with other Magisters ridiculing you to the point where your self-esteem and moral center is destroyed utterly (Hadriana).

frankf43 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...


Why it should happen with one of the few mages NPC in DA2 that didn't turn in demons  or were evil?

You do realise that in a lot of players games he ended up tranquil?

Can be reversed.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 décembre 2012 - 09:44 .

[Menycet]

I think that Morrigan's return makes a lot of sense (or maybe I just want it to make a lot of sense?).

We didn't see her at all in Dragon Age 2, whereas we did see most of the other main characters of DAO there. It's about time she showed up, unless BioWare wants the players to forget about her? Awww...

[sunnydxmen]

Cullen for Templars jowan to represent mages in blood mages.

[zambingo]

Top Five I Think Make The Most Sense To Return

1. Flemeth
2. Morrigan
3. Leliana
4. Cassandra
5. Sandal

Top Five Additional I Wish Would Return

1. Dagna
2. Alistair
3. Shale
4. Oghren
5. Wynne

[ejoslin]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

She's an agent of the Divine with strong ties to Orlais. Sure some people are going to say "But she died in my playthrough of Dragon Age: Origins and I hate it when BioWare retcons stuff.", but I don't care. She's a rogue. Rogues in DA:O have the ability to feign death (that goes for Zevran, too). If the writers ever feel the need to even bother addressing this issue, I'll accept Feign Death as a perfectly reasonable handwave.

That doesn't really explain her possible suicide (unhardened lover of a US warden).  Actually, if I were someone who had that ending, I'd be most upset over the retcon -- having that actually not happen takes away a lot away from the first game for those people.

Anyway, I think it makes sense for Zevran to come back.  I don't care that he was killed in many people's games. In many other people's he's waging war again the crows and winning.  Somehow that seems like it should be relevant -- the Crows are being dismantaled, which should have all sorts of an effect on Thedas.

But I really REALLY hope he doesn't come back.  DA2's depressing bugfest was enough for me.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[MisterJB]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
God no. DAII did that to death.

When in both games did taking the templar option result in lives being saved?

Considering Feynriel states in DAII that he looks at how Tevinter acts and says "sometimes I understand the Templars" it'd be idiotic for Bioware to have him go "LOL I'm evil now!!!" all to sate some idea that "Trusting Mages is dangerous business!!".

Tevinter breeds more malicious people then benevolent ones, yes that's true. But to say no person in Tevinter can be benevolent by virtue of the fact they're living in Tevinter would be erroneous, given that historically one Mage ascended to the Archon's seat and outlawed slavery.

To which he was promptly assassinated, but the point remains that you can remain a good person in Tevinter. More so if say, for instance, you don't have to deal with other Magisters ridiculing you to the point where your self-esteem and moral center is destroyed utterly (Hadriana).

Those good people in Tevinter are either quickly assassinated, corrupted or reduced to insignificance.
Since Feinriel is uniquely powerful, I don't see him contenting himself with being a servant or a slave. Him dying is another option but I'd like the game to punish carelessness thus, I wish for him to be corrupted.
I mean, do you really think it's a good idea to send the most powerful mage in the world to the one place on Thedas where mages are taught how superior they are and that routinelly spits out nightmares?

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[SamaraDraven]

Perhaps saving Fenyriel - again - is a big new quest down the road? I think, he'll either get himself into trouble or run away. If he doesn't get away before some magister comes along and forces him into servitude, we might have to go after him. But that takes us away from Orlais and the mage/templar thing. If there is a secondary storyline happening, I can see Feynriel being a part of it.

Okay. I'm theorizing here... What if the new, big bad thing that's been happening underneath everything else is something like, someone is trying to tear down the Veil entirely? Flemeth speaks of "bodies being limiting things" like she doesn't naturally have one. Sandal mentions an old dragon lady with a scary laugh visiting his dreams. The Warden can potentially go into some other realm by way of an Eluvian, which we know can have a connection to the Fade. Feynriel is a mage with powers that bridge the material realm and spiritual realm. We've dealt with needing to repair a torn Veil in DAO and there have been other instances and places where it was mentioned that the "Veil is thin".

If something more insidious is happening under everyone's noses, these things are indications - to me anyway - of what could be going on. A world with the Veil sundered in pretty much every corner would be a Very Bad Thing.

It could also be that a very real human is simply manipulating everyone to try and start a global war that would put them in the position of taking over once everyone else is done destroying each other. My money is on Tevinter for that option.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:23 .

[Zerker]

Oghren.

[dgcatanisiri]

Feynriel has a chance - Hawke either helps him escape to Tevinter or he's made Tranquil. Given the research of Asunder, there is a way to restore the Tranquil to themselves. So I think it's possible that he'd appear, especially given how rare and valuable Marethari considered his gifts.

Keran is someone who I think might be brought back, even with the possibility of him being killed. It just seems like there's more to do with him. His story seems left incomplete. He abandons the Templars if left alive, someone being disillusioned with them might be valuable.

Maraas would be interesting, though this is just wishful thinking. Not just abandoning the qunari but the qun itself. It's a way to keep the qunari threat in mind even while focusing on the mage/templar conflict. Plus he's guaranteed to be alive.

In the wishful thinking category, Velanna still has something to contribute, from my perspective. Seranni is never found and we've still got the Wardens' 'mysterious allies' to go into. Of the Awakening party, she's the only one who's still in need of closure to the story (though, admittedly, I'd also like more Sigrun).

[forgotten gold]

The only character that's confirmed to be there is Sandal. At the end of act III, his father said something about accepting a job with the empress at Orlais.

I suspect Leliana and Cassandra will also be there. Well, They are both from the chantry and Orlais.

Depending on your king/queen choice, Anora and Alister also have to show up. Otherwise I will be really MAD, and you don't want to see that Bioware.

Anyways, Bioware like to bring unnoticeable characters from previous games as main characters in the next ones, such as Isabela and Merril. I bet we will see a minor character from DA2, as in Cullen.

[Atlanth]

 Who do I think will return? Well...

Bodahn and Sandal: These two are obvious, as they should be in Orlais right now and, knowing them, in the thick of things.

Flemeth: I always thought about her as a kind of chessplayer and the board is Thedas. She takes some insignificant people with potential, saves them and has a pawn that changes into a queen and wins her the game in various degrees. She is leading events into the direction she wants by saving both the Warden and Hawke. Not necessarily a Big Bad and not necessarily good either. I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if at the beginning of DA3 she saves us again. With a mage-templar war she predicted breaking out, I doubt that she will sit on the sidelines without interfering. The most interesting question, though, is: if she's a chessplayer, who's she playing against?

Leliana: As a bard and devoted to the Chantry, not to mention the cameo in DA2, she will at least make an appearance. Her survival can be explained in many ways: if you didn't recruit her in Lothering, she simply fled before the darkspawn reached the village (Hawke said something in the beginning of DA2 about the Chantry people fleeing Lothering). If you killed her in Haven, then we have to consider that she either feigned her death or there was divine/magical intervention by whatever force protected the temple. I wouldn't even be surprised if we find out that she was a seeker from the beginning of DAO onwards, sent to Ferelden to keep an eye on things there and simply took the opportunity to travel with the Warden when it presented itself to be closer to the action.

Cassandra: As a seeker her appearance is certainly highly probable.

Loghain/Grey Wardens: As a sidequest, certainly possible. A Ferelden Grey Warden - Loghain or perhaps Nathaniel Howe - would certainly be interested in the Orlaisan nobles' wishes to attack Ferelden. Also, with the Veil becoming thinner, there could be all kinds of effects on the darkspawn or the still sleeping Old Gods. Who's to say that the sleeping places of the Old Gods aren't somewhere under the battlefield of the mage-templar war? That would concern the Grey Wardens a lot, I'd think.

Ruler of Ferelden: This largly depends on whether we go to Ferelden and if we go, where we go. With tensions between Orlais and Ferelden running high, this is certainly a possibility.

Morrigan: A few cameos are certainly possible, depending on what the player did with her. Certainly nothing more than a sidequest. Maybe she's only mentioned. We still don't know where or when the Eluvian sent her, if you let her go.

Ruler of Orzammar/Kal Sharok or generally the dwarven cities: This is a mage-templar war and the dwarves control the lyrium, which the templars are addicted to and which the mages need as fuel for their spells. The faction which has closer ties to the dwarves and access to lyrium wins the war.

Cast of DAO: Aside from Leliana, Morrigan and possibly whoever sits on Ferelden's throne, the chances of seeing the rest again is slim. Wynne is dead (it is 10 years later and didn't she die in the book?). Oghren is with the Wardens, so that's a possibility but far-fetched. Zevran is having problems with the Crows, so perhaps during the Orlaisan Game. Sten is with his people and his return is only possible if the Qunari decide to seize their chance and invade while the rest of Thedas is busy killing each other and even then it's a slim chance. Shale is again a possibility depending on what happened to her.

Cast of DA2: Merrill is possible, especially if she returned to her people, though I doubt it. Isabella and Aveline are also possible. If I remember correctly, Aveline and her husband actually liked Orlais, so after Kirkwall, they could have easily gone there or back to Ferelden. Fenris, again, possible, and Anders, if you let him live, possible. Varric...if I were him I would get as far away as I could after being interrogated by a seeker...but possible. Cullen is likely, though if we don't get him as a companion, he'll probably play a minor role. He is pretty much disgraced right now, no? So no major command for him.

Well, that's my take on things. Merry Christmas, guys!

[DragonAgeTemplar]

Leliana and Sebastian

[tishyw]

I can't see Morrigan being in DA:I, the main plot line for her to return on is the OGB and I can't see Bioware using that as a secondary plot point to the Mage/Templar war. If they jump a few years between games, I can see her coming back in DA4 with the OGB grown up and as the main plot, but not in DA3.

Who I think will be returning -

Cassandra - as a companion and as a representative of the Chantry.
Cullen - as a companion and as a representative of the Templars.
Leliana - as an NPC/quest giver.
Bodahn & Sandal - Because Bioware have something up their sleeves about Sandal and his Dad is his protector. Although, here's a random thought, Sandal should be in his mid/late teens by now so perhaps we'll have him as a companion without Bodahn?
Flemeth - Because she's important to the over-arcing plot that will tie all the games together.

I'd love to see Dagna as a companion because we need another female Dwarf companion and if they make her going to the Circle canon, then she could have a very interesting perspective on things particularly if she's there during the start of the mage/templar war.

I'd also love to see Shale again, not because I think she's important to the story but simply because she was the funniest companion we've had. And if we have a Grey Warden companion, please let it be Nathaniel.

[TEWR]

MisterJB wrote...

When in both games did taking the templar option result in lives being saved?

That wasn't your original statement. You said you wanted trusting a mage to backfire, which is what DAII did. You never said you wanted to have a Templar option that saves lives. That's a different matter, albeit it can be related to trusting a mage backfiring.

And one could call saving the Circle in DAO a Templar option, if only by a miniscule amount because of how Gregoir says he'll only believe the Circle is fine if Irving says so. Now personally, I find that option to be a bit too... poor, for want of a better word.

I would've had it so that some of the Blood Mages were hidden amongst other Mages and then they broke out, killing many Templars in the process -- reasons for breaking out varying. As a small point on what I'd do anyway, but I could go in-depth on that

But doing Gregoir's option -- either the RoA or saving the Mages with Irving -- is taking the Templar option and saving lives.

With how the RoA is justified in DAO and the danger Abominations pose, it saves lives. DAII, less so.

Those good people in Tevinter are either quickly assassinated, corrupted or reduced to insignificance.
Since Feinriel is uniquely powerful, I don't see him contenting himself with being a servant or a slave.

He isn't. By Act 3, when he writes that letter stating he understands the Templars, he's being apprenticed to a Magister knowledgeable on Somniari. 

And apprentices are not servants or slaves.

Him dying is another option but I'd like the game to punish carelessness thus, I wish for him to be corrupted.I mean, do you really think it's a good idea to send the most powerful mage in the world to the one place on Thedas where mages are taught how superior they are and that routinelly spits out nightmares?

If they're the only place in the world that has any sort of lore and knowledge on this specific type of Mage, then yes. Is it risky? Sure, I'm not going to say going to Tevinter is equivalent to ****ting rainbows and unicorns such that it'd taste like diabetes.

But even Wynne -- a mage who has lived in the Circle her whole life and heard of Tevinter's crimes/possibly seen them -- wants to go to Minrathous to study what arcane lore their libraries hold.

And, you know, since Feynriel acknowledges that Tevinter is a ****ty place that makes the Templars look good while he's an apprentice, well... I don't see him going "LOL I'm evil!" being remotely justifiable other then to sate some poor whim on the part of "Mages can never be trusted!!!"

[Urzon]

I want Morrigan to make a cameo saving the PC's life at the beginning of DAIII. Because really, Flemeth can't do it every time.

Plus, it would show Morrigan picking up more of Flemeth's habits than she would like.

[MisterJB]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
That wasn't your original statement.

So as to avoid further misunderstanding, I'm just going to be really explicit.
I want a situation where trusting a mage leads to him killing many either by accident or intent whereas killing him or sending him to the Circle saves lives. Anders and Grace and Orsino and Jowan do their thing regardless of Hawke or The Warden's actions and stance. Killing Gascard doesn't save Leandra or Emeric. Feinriel, if sent to tevinter, saves a woman. Gregoir really wasn't possessed. Let Jowan go and he is helping refugees.

He isn't. By Act 3, when he writes that letter stating he understands the Templars, he's being apprenticed to a Magister knowledgeable on Somniari. 

And apprentices are not servants or slaves.

Which means that he is already on his way to becoming a magister.
That doesn't ring alarm bells in your head?

If they're the only place in the world that has any sort of lore and knowledge on this specific type of Mage, then yes. Is it risky? Sure, I'm not going to say going to Tevinter is equivalent to ****ting rainbows and unicorns such that it'd taste like diabetes.

You could just make him Tranquil, problem solved.
It's what I do.

But even Wynne -- a mage who has lived in the Circle her whole life and heard of Tevinter's crimes/possibly seen them -- wants to go to Minrathous to study what arcane lore their libraries hold.

Wynne is a wise experienced mage whose personality has long since been formed and who has given again and again evidence of being an upstanding human being.
It's a completely different situation.

And, you know, since Feynriel acknowledges that Tevinter is a ****ty place that makes the Templars look good while he's an apprentice, well... I don't see him going "LOL I'm evil!" being remotely justifiable other then to sate some poor whim on the part of "Mages can never be trusted!!!"

Young people whose personality is still being formed can easily be swayed by charismatic individuals or simple situations in life. Feinriel's master can convince him of how "superior" mages are or maybe he realizes that if he wishes to be anyone in Tevinter, he will have to resort to blood magic and human sacrifices.
Tevinter is a place of corruption where only monsters thrive. I don't see what is so unjustifiable about a powerful and impressionable young man being corrupted by it.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 décembre 2012 - 03:46 .

[Xilizhra]

Having a mage as powerful as Feynriel become corrupted would likely be a significant plot point within Tevinter. This would necessitate a significant plot point being based on a relatively minor import choice from a skippable quest in the previous game. Is there any precedent at all for this happening in DA? Odds of Feynriel getting hit with a villain bat seem remarkably low... to my admitted pleasure.

I want a situation where trusting a mage leads to him killing many either by accident or intent whereas killing him or sending him to the Circle saves lives.

And I hope that we will never, ever, ever get one in ten thousand years. Luckily, precedent is on my side.

[TEWR]

[quote]MisterJB wrote...
 Feinriel, if sent to tevinter, saves a woman.[/quote]

And that doesn't tell you that he's remaining a good person in Tevinter? That he's using his powers for good, as opposed to evil?


[quote]Gregoir really wasn't possessed. Let Jowan go and he is helping refugees.[/quote]

So then ask it to be used for say... ardent Resolutionists who are trying to use blood thralls to take down Templars. Not for one of the few Mages in DAII that didn't have the Idiot Ball/Villain Ball poorly attached to them.

[quote]

Which means that he is already on his way to becoming a magister.
That doesn't ring alarm bells in your head?[/quote]

Not really. Fenris tells us that the weaker Magisters are at the bottom of the totem pole because they refuse to use blood magic.

But those are all non-Somniari. Trying to say Feynriel, a Somniari, will fall into the same pitfalls as a normal Mage would is a bit of a bad argument from my POV. As a Somniari, he's more powerful then any other Mage.

Thus Blood Magic is really not necessary for him. And he's retained his good persona by saying that he understands the Templars' mindset and by the fact that he saved a girl's life.


[quote]
You could just make him Tranquil, problem solved.
It's what I do.[/quote]

Well firstly, Tranquility can be reversed.

Secondly, I would never do that. That's the one thing he doesn't want to happen to him and no person should have their soul destroyed.

[quote]Wynne is a wise experienced mage whose personality has long since been formed and who has given again and again evidence of being an upstanding human being.
It's a completely different situation.[/quote]

Hah! Wise my ass. She's a fool of a woman in anything that doesn't deal with magic.

And Feynriel's in his mid-twenties by Act 3, if not early thirties -- since we don't know when he was born or how his Elven blood may affect his age, but I'd conjecture he's 18 by the time we first meet him. 

His personality has actually evolved to being that of a good Mage. In Act 1, he thought the Templars were unjustified in what they do. By Act 3, he's beginning to think that based on what he's seen in Tevinter some of them are actually justified in what they do.

Ignoring, of course, Kirkwall's Templars since you can't justify anything those zealotous jackasses that comprise the majority of the Order there.

 [quote
Young people whose personality is still being formed can easily be swayed by charismatic individuals or simple situations in life. Feinriel's master can convince him of how "superior" mages are or maybe he realizes that if he wishes to be anyone in Tevinter, he will have to resort to blood magic and human sacrifices.[/quote]

You know nothing of who Feynriel's teacher is, so it wouldn't be fair to presume that he's a jackass like the rest when Fenris notes that there are some noble souls in Tevinter that are Magisters. They just happen to be low in the Senate.

[quote]Tevinter is a place of corruption where only monsters thrive. I don't see what is so unjustifiable about a powerful and impressionable young man being corrupted by it.
[/quote]

Because not only monsters thrive. Decent people can survive there. It's just that Tevinter's mostly comprised of monsters.

[Todd23]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

 (we controled what Zevran and Leliana learned).

This is true. Not everybody chose that option, but the only character whose skills and specialization choices transferred were the Warden from DA:O to DA: Awakening. Despite the fact that Oghren showed up again in Awakening, he wasn't transferred over with the build we gave him in DA:O or any of his specializations. What I'm trying to say is that in story terms, what we chose for the companions to learn is irrelevant. I would be willing to accept these as acceptable handwaves if David Gaider or another writer came out and gave Feign Death as the reason they survived.

In Zevran's case, doesn't he try to feign death after the Warden defeats him in battle when they first meet?

As for Leliana, I like her quite a lot and am willing to give the possible retcon of her survival a pass. They could have had an alternate agent of the Divine in the event of Leliana's death for the Sebastian Vael DLC, but BioWare didn't. In future I'd like characters that die to stay dead, but I am willing to make an exception for two lovable rogues.

He was nocked unconscious.  And what about people who liked Loghain and want him to be alive from a cross-over where he died in the landsmeet?  To people who didn't like Leliana, chose to kill Leliana, and killed Leliana; seeing her alive in DA2 was a big middle finger.

[MisterJB]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
And that doesn't tell you that he's remaining a good person in Tevinter? That he's using his powers for good, as opposed to evil?

It's unrealistic.
He has tremendous power, he is in a place where mages are considered superior, where mundanes are viewed as pets. And he is saving mundane women from being raped half a continent away? What, he is just searching the Fade for evil doers in his spare time?
C'mon. Not even Professor Xavier does that and he is from a comic book.

So then ask it to be used for say... ardent Resolutionists who are trying to use blood thralls to take down Templars. Not for one of the few Mages in DAII that didn't have the Idiot Ball/Villain Ball poorly attached to them.

I am perfectly willing to accept what I propose happen to any other mage.
It just makes sense for it to happen to Feinriel.

Not really. Fenris tells us that the weaker Magisters are at the bottom of the totem pole because they refuse to use blood magic.

But those are all non-Somniari. Trying to say Feynriel, a Somniari, will fall into the same pitfalls as a normal Mage would is a bit of a bad argument from my POV. As a Somniari, he's more powerful then any other Mage.

Thus Blood Magic is really not necessary for him. And he's retained his good persona by saying that he understands the Templars' mindset and by the fact that he saved a girl's life.

Somniaris have limits too. I don't expect Feinriel is powerful enough to take on every single Magister, member of the Imperial Senate and their apprentices by himself. Which is bound to happen if he wants to be a good magister in Tevinter.
Never mind there are thousands of ways of killing someone.

Well firstly, Tranquility can be reversed.

Secondly, I would never do that. That's the one thing he doesn't want to happen to him and no person should have their soul destroyed.

Not everyone can kill people half a continent away.
Feinriel is, literally, Freddy Krueger. Do you want to let Freddy Krueger go?

And Feynriel's in his mid-twenties by Act 3, if not early thirties -- since we don't know when he was born or how his Elven blood may affect his age, but I'd conjecture he's 18 by the time we first meet him. 

His personality has actually evolved to being that of a good Mage. In Act 1, he thought the Templars were unjustified in what they do. By Act 3, he's beginning to think that based on what he's seen in Tevinter some of them are actually justified in what they do.

Ignoring, of course, Kirkwall's Templars since you can't justify anything those zealotous jackasses that comprise the majority of the Order there.

That this is what he thinks now doesn't preclude the possibility of him developing a darker persona especially since he is in Tevinter. Thedas' Mordor.

You know nothing of who Feynriel's teacher is, so it wouldn't be fair to presume that he's a jackass like the rest when Fenris notes that there are some noble souls in Tevinter that are Magisters. They just happen to be low in the Senate.

Taking into consideration the ratio of bad mages vs good mages in Tevinter as well as the fact his master killed someone on the street, it is a reasonable to assume he is not a law abidding citizen.
Not by our standards, anyway. And there are tons of mages in Tevinter who would probrably love to teach the only somniari in the world. They can't all be scrupulous.

Because not only monsters thrive. Decent people can survive there. It's just that Tevinter's mostly comprised of monsters.

Surviving is not the same as thriving. Will Feinriel be content only with surviving when he has so much power at his command? Would anyone?
Will he even have the option? I doubt the Magisters are willing to let the last somniari simply mind his own business.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 décembre 2012 - 05:37 .

[Xilizhra]

It's unrealistic.

Only if you assume that every person put into one situation will react identically.

He has tremendous power, he is in a place where mages are considered
superior, where mundanes are viewed as pets. And he is saving mundane
women from being raped half a continent away? What, he is just searching
the Fade for evil doers in his spare time?
C'mon. Not even Professor Xavier does that and he is from a comic book.

Xavier's an old, experienced mutant with a facility to run; Feynriel possesses none of this. I suspect he's honing his powers and doing some good in the meantime.

Somniaris have limits too. I don't expect Feinriel is powerful enough to take on every single Magister, member of the Imperial Senate and their apprentices by himself. Which is bound to happen if he wants to be a good magister in Tevinter.
Never mind there are thousands of ways of killing someone.

Seems like a decent plot thread to start supporting the guy in DAI to me.

That this is what he thinks now doesn't preclude the possibility of him developing a darker persona especially since he is in Tevinter. Thedas' Mordor.

Oh, please. Tevinter is Thedas' Byzantine Empire. Expansionist, nasty, and magic-fueled, but fundamentally human.

Taking into consideration the ratio of bad mages vs good mages in Tevinter as well as the fact his master killed someone on the street, it is a reasonable to assume he is not a law abidding citizen.

What are you talking about? If magisters duel openly, it seems very likely that it's legal.

Surviving is not the same as thriving. Will Feinriel be content only with surviving when he has so much power at his command? Would anyone?

George Washington could have been a de facto king, and yet refused to take such power. It happens.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 25 décembre 2012 - 05:37 .

[TEWR]

[quote]It's unrealistic.
He has tremendous power, he is in a place where mages are considered superior, where mundanes are viewed as pets. And he is saving mundane women from being raped half a continent away? What, he is just searching the Fade for evil doers in his spare time?
C'mon. Not even Professor Xavier does that and he is from a comic book.[/quote]

What Xilizhra said.

[quote]It just makes sense for it to happen to Feynriel.[/quote]

Not really. You presume that he'd fall into the same pitfalls as an ordinary mage when he isn't an ordinary mage.

[quote]Feinriel is, literally, Freddy Krueger. Do you want to let Freddy Krueger go?[/quote]

If he's going after Jason, sure.

[quote]Somniaris have limits too. I don't expect Feinriel is powerful enough to take on every single Magister, member of the Imperial Senate and their apprentices by himself. Which is bound to happen if he wants to be a good magister in Tevinter.
Never mind there are thousands of ways of killing someone.[/quote]

What Xilizhra said. This might be a decent way to lead to Tevinter being less ****ty if you can support the one person there who stands a decent chance of it all.

[quote]Taking into consideration the ratio of bad mages vs good mages in Tevinter as well as the fact his master killed someone on the street, it is a reasonable to assume he is not a law abidding citizen.[/quote]

Also what Xilizhra said. If they openly do such, then it is the law. Remember, the Magisters are the law. So while it may not be a nice law, it's legal.

Also, for all we know said Magister was defending himself. Or the Magister he killed was a douchebag.

You presume that Feynriel is studying under a douchebag Magister, which while likely is not really hinted at.

[/quote]Surviving is not the same as thriving. Will Feinriel be content only with surviving when he has so much power at his command? Would anyone?
[/quote]

Yes, sometimes people are content with just surviving as opposed to thriving -- though we can't say the lower Magisters don't thrive as well. Just not as much as the higher ones.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Shale: Already with Rhys, Fiona, Irving, and mages.
Irving: see above
Alistair: Gonna have to meet his mommy sometime.
Cullen: Still knight commander of Kirkwall.
Anders: if he's alive since he started it all.
Lelianna: she's and agent of the divine.

[sylvanaerie]

I'm thinking the most logical returnees are Leliana, Cass and/or Cullen. All three are involved in some way with the mage/templar thing and have more story to tell. As companions or just NPC's on the side watching the player's story unfold.

[Silfren]

I think it makes the most sense to see Leliana as a recurring major side character since she's the Left Hand of the Divine and all. I wouldn't be surprised to see either of the two possible Fereldan monarchs show up again, given the mentions in DA2 of growing tension between Orlais and Ferelden, and I think it's almost a certainty that Sebastian will show up in some capacity, to play a role, depending on how players handled the end of DA2, in the Exalted March content. I'd also expect various players from Awakening to show up again in whatever way the Grey Wardens appear.