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[Silfren]

frankf43 wrote...

Both Anders and Feynriel would cause problems bringing them back.
Anders could be alive or dead and Feynriel could be a dreamer or tranquil.

Ah, but given what we know now from Asunder, the potentiality of Feyrniel being made Tranquil is no impediment. 

SPOILER ALERTS DOWN BELOW:

The Rite of Tranquility is curable.  Based on what we know if this, from Asunder, and also from knowing from DA2 just how powerful Dreamers are, there's some potentially great story here.  Anyone who wanted to use Feynriel as a weapon, who also knows that Tranquility can be undone, would be all over that bit of knowledge.  Especially with a mage Templar war underway, Feynriel would be a powerful weapon for any faction with the means of controlling him.  In fact, the implications around the fact that Tranquility can be cured are vast enough I expect it to be a major component of DA3.  Feynriel's the obvious choice for such a storyline for playthroughs if he were made Tranquil, but you know who else is?  Dagna, the dwarf lass from Origins who was so hot to study magic at the Ferelden tower. 

For those playthroughs where he is King, I think it's pretty likely we'll see Alistair in side content unrelated to possible Orlesian aggression, too.  Based on the events in the comics, we're being led to believe that one King Maric is still very much alive.  That's far too juicy a thing to just leave out of future game lore, so I expect to see it in DA3.  How much Alistair himself will figure into it depends on player choices from Origins, though.

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

As for his age, well... DG has said that while he didn't originally intend for the Wardens to be able to live for 30 more years after the Joining, he's now content with it remaining such. And besides, Loghain's still alive and still in his prime. 

I think a lot could be said for Loghain, sure, but I'm at a loss as to how he's still in his prime.  Origins takes place a full 30 years after the end of the Orlesian occupation, and Loghain was, what, eighteen during the events of The Stolen Throne?  That makes him 48, or thereabouts, in Origins, and then DA2 ends about ten years later. So I think Loghain's around 58 at the bare minimum.  But for him to be still alive, not only is he a man of nearly 60, he's also going to have had the taint raging in his veins for about ten years. 

I totally want some midnight rain, now.  I envisioned that more as black rain than rain pouring down at twelve a.m. and it would be totally awesome for that to be a thing.

Modifié par Silfren, 25 décembre 2012 - 05:55 .

[ThisIsZad]

 The Anunnaki!

[MisterJB]

[quote]The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
What Xilizhra said.[/quote]
Mind putting int into your own words?

[quote]
Not really. You presume that he'd fall into the same pitfalls as an ordinary mage when he isn't an ordinary mage.[/quote]
I presume that somniaris are not omnipotent. And I presume that, as a human, he is just capable of being corrupted as any other human.

[quote]
If he's going after Jason, sure.[/quote]
This Freddy Krueger is more likely to ally himself with Jason.

[quote]
This might be a decent way to lead to Tevinter being less ****ty if you can support the one person there who stands a decent chance of it all.[/quote]
Nothing short of a revolution will adress the injustice mundanes face everyday. There can be no compromise. Yadda and blablabla and etc.
We should first fix the mess Anders caused.

[quote]
If they openly do such, then it is the law. Remember, the Magisters are the law. So while it may not be a nice law, it's legal.[/quote]
I said "To our standards" which means it's against the laws in our western society.
Two blood mages fighting in the streets leads to some serious collateral damage.

[quote]Also, for all we know said Magister was defending himself. Or the Magister he killed was a douchebag.

You presume that Feynriel is studying under a douchebag Magister, which while likely is not really hinted at.[/quote]
That Feinriel might follow the examples of douchebag magisters is a very real possibility because Tevinter is filled with them. The entire infrastructure of that country exists to serve douchebag magisters.

[/quote]
Yes, sometimes people are content with just surviving as opposed to thriving -- though we can't say the lower Magisters don't thrive as well. Just not as much as the higher ones. [/quote]
More often than not, those "content" are only so because they really have no ways to improve their situation. People are greedy, it's just how it is.
Feinriel might be a nice kid now but how many temptations can Tevinter throw at him before he gives in?

[Xilizhra]

I said "To our standards" which means it's against the laws in our western society.
Two blood mages fighting in the streets leads to some serious collateral damage.

Really? I'd say that blood magic would cause the least collateral damage. It kills people but leaves buildings standing; certainly less dangerous to passersby than fireballs.

Feinriel might be a nice kid now but how many temptations can Tevinter throw at him before he gives in?

As many as suits his character. As of now, I'm going to guess the answer is "all of them."

[Urzon]

Hmm..

Now that Tranquility is curable, I kinda want to see them bring back Owain, to get his views on it. How would purely logical beings like the tranquil deal with a cure, and how would it effect their decisions regarding the war?

[SamaraDraven]

I think how Feynriel turns out should be based on the decision Hawke made. If he was made Tranquil, I can see how a magister who got wind of a cure would see it as advantagious to kidnap him from the Circle and "fix" him only to teach him the ways of a magister. Feynriel might embrace such corruption after being turned in and made a zombie. He had plenty of anger toward his mother for turning him in, in the first place. If Hawke did it too, he might welcome a magister that teaches him about power. Power would mean being able to control his own fate and that's something he wants desperately.

If he's released to the Dales and then runs to Tevinter, he could go either way, depending on who becomes his tutor. If his mentor is an okay fellow, he might learn to develop his powers and keep his head down, maybe even become a force for change in the Imperium. If he has an evil magister master - which is very possible - he might be subjugated to a point where he gets desperate to take his life back and uses his powers in ways he might have initially abhorred. Even the most idealistic of people can become jaded and learn to do things because there was no other way and it was the lesser of two evils. It would all depend on what happens to Feynriel once in Tevinter and how he got there. It's also possible that he simply keeps his head down and serves his master while learning his powers in secret until he's able to break free and flee.

I believe, if the magisters of Tevinter found out about him, they'd all be salivating over the prospect of stealing him and controlling him. A blood mage may be able to simply keep him under constant control and use him like one would a canon. Then Feynriel would need to be saved. This doesn't mean he's evil but entrapped for what could be years. Freeing him could only be the beginning of his recuperation as, at first, he doesn't remember all the time that has passed and is still mentally the kid Hawke let go, but his memories of everything he did while in thrall to a maleficar begin to resurface and he has to deal with them.

Who knows? I do think that his story could use some closure and there are some interesting ways it could go. It just seems like a loose dangling wire that's still charged. If the mages become allied with the magisters - not saying they will but that it's possible - and one of them has Feynriel with them as a weapon; destroying him or freeing him could be a major quest choice the PC gets to make but it goes no further than that once you're done. Or maybe he's brought along as a Tranquil to Orlais to experiment with reversing the Rite.

Maybe we'll run into a Feynriel who is battle-wise but still a hopeful chap. He's happy and healthy and causing trouble for both the bad templars and bad mages. Whether or not he appears at all, and how he appears, would depend on the previous gameplay choices you made.

I do think him going to Tevinter is less likely to have a good outcome than if he had gone to, say, Antiva... But then, keeping him in the Circle leads to the spiritual lobotomy so it's all pretty crappy. Either option can have good outcomes and bad. But that's what I find so intriguing about the character!

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 25 décembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

Feynriel could be a dreamer or tranquil.

Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't there... Three options for Feynriel in Dragon Age 2?

1) Send him to the Dalish, let him run to Tevinter - Feynriel trains with a Magister and learns to control his power, saving a young woman from bandits (from halfway across the country) in Act3.

2) Send him to the Circle, make him Tranquil.

3) Feed him to the Demon and he becomes a blood thirsty, powerful, almost unstoppable abomination, rumoured to be roaming the Free Marches killing entire villages.

1. 2. 3. Three - Three options.

More on the topic though - It doesn't really matter. Bioware can write a hell of a lot of loopholes for Feynriel.

Tranquility is curable. Bam. Loophole.
Feynriel's unusually strong connection to the Fade made tranquility impossible and the Templars covered it up. Bam. Loophole.

Demon inside of him? Feynriel's unusually strong connection/power with/in the Fade allowed him a moment of lucidity that gave him a window of opportunity to defeat the Demon inside of him. Bam. Loophole.

"Dreamers" are unusually powerful and we have little to no idea what they might be capable of, our complete lack of lore/knowledge on the limitations of Dreamers means Bioware can do whatever the hell they want with Feynriel and we'll have no real right to complain.

TL:DR - Loopholes! Loopholes everywhere!

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 26 décembre 2012 - 12:32 .

[gneisenau556]

I always thought it would be cool to have Gregoir return as a high ranking Templar (since he dealt with the tower crisis). Gregoir always seemed like a nice Templar, in that he basically only stepped in when it was actually a SHTF situation. I imagine most Templars would probably imprison the mages after the crisis on the basis that they may be abominations but Gregoir was totally fine with letting them go on.

[TEWR]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...
Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't there... Three options for Feynriel in Dragon Age 2?

You have all of the options, but they don't necessitate certain paths having been taken. He can be sent to Marethari or Orsino in Act 1 and in Act 2 can be sent to Tevinter, made Tranquil, or made an Abomination.

More on the topic though - It doesn't really matter. Bioware can write a hell of a lot of loopholes for Feynriel.

Tranquility is curable. Bam. Loophole.
Feynriel's unusually strong connection to the Fade made tranquility impossible and the Templars covered it up. Bam. Loophole.

They wouldn't be able to do the second -- and it'd be silly to do it when the first already exists -- as you can talk to Tranquil Feynriel in the Gallows. Or see him anyway.

Demon inside of him? Feynriel's unusually strong connection/power with/in the Fade allowed him a moment of lucidity that gave him a window of opportunity to defeat the Demon inside of him. Bam. Loophole.

I... actually wouldn't mind that.

"Dreamers" are unusually powerful and we have little to no idea what they might be capable of, our complete lack of lore/knowledge on the limitations of Dreamers means Bioware can do whatever the hell they want with Feynriel and we'll have no real right to complain.

TL:DR - Loopholes! Loopholes everywhere!

Exactly so. All we know about them is that Adralla formed a defense against them in her academic study of blood magic, Avernus may be one because his dialogue hints at it*, and whatever Marethari told us in DAII.

*Not to mention that timeline wise, it'd mesh well. Marethari says that the last Somniari hasn't been seen for two centuries and Avernus had been trapped in Soldier's Peak for two centuries.  

[HiroVoid]

gneisenau556 wrote...

I always thought it would be cool to have Gregoir return as a high ranking Templar (since he dealt with the tower crisis). Gregoir always seemed like a nice Templar, in that he basically only stepped in when it was actually a SHTF situation. I imagine most Templars would probably imprison the mages after the crisis on the basis that they may be abominations but Gregoir was totally fine with letting them go on.

Actually, he punched a pregnant mage in the comics.  All templars are cruel monsters.

[blueumi]

Cullen should Anders flemeth sebastian and varric

[Silfren]

SamaraDraven wrote...

I think how Feynriel turns out should be based on the decision Hawke made. If he was made Tranquil, I can see how a magister who got wind of a cure would see it as advantagious to kidnap him from the Circle and "fix" him only to teach him the ways of a magister. Feynriel might embrace such corruption after being turned in and made a zombie. He had plenty of anger toward his mother for turning him in, in the first place. If Hawke did it too, he might welcome a magister that teaches him about power. Power would mean being able to control his own fate and that's something he wants desperately.

I've only made Feynriel Tranquil once, so I don't know if there's another way to do it, but if having Hawke Tranquil Feynriel by psychically knifing him the way she does, then it's something done with Feynriel's blessing.  He might have hated the idea at first, but after the horrors he suffers in the Fade, he ASKS Hawke to make him Tranquil.  So I don't think he'd "embrace" corruption from that standpoint.  He's a bit of a brat, as most kids tend to be at least part of the time, but I don't see him as the type to get all pissy and vengeful over a fate he specifically asked for.

Can anyone verify this?  Does Feynriel end up being made Tranquil if he's turned over to the Circle?

[MisterJB]

I'm not sure what determines it but, in my game, I turned Feinriel over to the Circle and when the time came to make him Tranquil he was quite upset and pleaded with Hawke to not do it.

[Silfren]

blueumi wrote...

Cullen should Anders flemeth sebastian and varric

What did Flemeth, Seb, or Varric do that Cullen should Anders them?  I mean, I'd like to Anders a few people myself, but that just seems a bit harsh, really.  And it might help if I knew the first thing about how to go 'round Anders'ing people.

Modifié par Silfren, 26 décembre 2012 - 03:29 .

[blueumi]

Silfren wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Cullen should Anders flemeth sebastian and varric

What did Flemeth, Seb, or Varric do that Cullen should Anders them?  I mean, I'd like to Anders a few people myself, but that just seems a bit harsh, really.  And it might help if I knew the first thing about how to go 'round Anders'ing people.

the thread said what characters do you think make the most sense for a return so those are the ones I think should return

Modifié par blueumi, 26 décembre 2012 - 03:33 .

[Silfren]

MisterJB wrote...

I'm not sure what determines it but, in my game, I turned Feinriel over to the Circle and when the time came to make him Tranquil he was quite upset and pleaded with Hawke to not do it.

Ah.  I thought that the Fade sequence went the same way whether you had sent Feynriel to the Circle or to the Dalish.  Maybe the difference is that when he's in the Circle, seeing the Tranquil up close confirms his deeply held fears about it to the extent that his horror at the idea is worse than what he suffered in the Fade.  But if he goes with the Dalish, his experience in the Fade has him deciding that he can't imagine why he feared being Tranquil in the first place. 

[Urzon]

blueumi wrote...

Cullen should. As well as: Anders, flemeth, sebastian, and varric

Fixed.

I thought you were talking about Cullen murder knifing Flemeth, Sebastian, and Varric there for a second.

Modifié par Urzon, 26 décembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Silfren]

blueumi wrote...

Silfren wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Cullen should Anders flemeth sebastian and varric

What did Flemeth, Seb, or Varric do that Cullen should Anders them?  I mean, I'd like to Anders a few people myself, but that just seems a bit harsh, really.  And it might help if I knew the first thing about how to go 'round Anders'ing people.

the thread said what characters do you think make the most sense for a return so those are the ones I think should return

ROFL.  Yes, I know that's what you meant.  I was just amused by the bare-bones, grammar-free construction of your answer.  If you read that phrase as a proper sentence, Anders is a verb. Don't mind me.  My uncle made five gallons of real, honest-to-gods eggnog for Christmas and I'm finding all sorts of random sh*t far more amusing than I have any right to.

[blueumi]

Urzon wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Cullen should. As well as: Anders, flemeth, sebastian, and varric

Fixed.

I thought you were talking about Cullen murder knifing Anders, Flemeth, Sebastian, and Varric there for a second.

sorry it's 3.40 am here in England and i'm obviously tired






 

[SamaraDraven]

Silfren wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Cullen should Anders flemeth sebastian and varric

What did Flemeth, Seb, or Varric do that Cullen should Anders them?  I mean, I'd like to Anders a few people myself, but that just seems a bit harsh, really.  And it might help if I knew the first thing about how to go 'round Anders'ing people.

lmfao! :lol:

Regarding Feynriel... I've had three different endings with him. In one, Hawke turns him into the Circle and he later needs to be saved from a dream - which I do - and after that, he ran off to Tevinter. In another playthrough I did, Hawke let him go to the Dalish. The same thing happens: He needs to be saved from a dream. This time, I tried to convince him the demons were demons and he panicked, demanding to be made Tranquil. The last PT where I did his quest, I gave him to the Circle again, because of how letting him go to the Dalish turned out. I wanted to save him and not have him run off to Tevinter.

For the sake of curiosity I tried out the option to make him Tranquil and he was really upset about that. Then I undid that and tried to save him from the dream again. The endings to that are A) He leaves and goes to Tevinter... He demands you kill him... And C) You let the demon have him. I let him go again to run away to Tevinter but I really wanted a different option that didn't take away his freedom or soul.

If you want Feynriel to live and not be Tranquil or possessed; you have to let him go to Tevinter. The fact that you're shoe-horned into that choice to achieve "the best ending" kind of irks me. I just hope the railroading has a purpose.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 26 décembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[gneisenau556]

HiroVoid wrote...

gneisenau556 wrote...

I always thought it would be cool to have Gregoir return as a high ranking Templar (since he dealt with the tower crisis). Gregoir always seemed like a nice Templar, in that he basically only stepped in when it was actually a SHTF situation. I imagine most Templars would probably imprison the mages after the crisis on the basis that they may be abominations but Gregoir was totally fine with letting them go on.

Actually, he punched a pregnant mage in the comics.  All templars are cruel monsters.

Aww that sucks

[Todd23]

Silfren wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Cullen should Anders flemeth sebastian and varric

What did Flemeth, Seb, or Varric do that Cullen should Anders them?  I mean, I'd like to Anders a few people myself, but that just seems a bit harsh, really.  And it might help if I knew the first thing about how to go 'round Anders'ing people.

First, you'll need a dynamite belt...

[AstraDrakkar]

I'm pretty sure Leliana wil at least make an appearance.....unfortunately. Sorry Leliana fans. I have grown tired of her immortality.