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[upinya slayin]

abcmasseffect wrote...

Well bioware people wouldnt cheat if u didnt nerf everything. You dont see gears of war, COD or any other online game nerfing weapons and characters. Whats the point of making them, then nerfing them. You nerf characters then buff up the enemies, not smart. Thats why people rocket glitch or glitch in general. I dont cause i dont find it hard on platinum personally, but everybody doesnt feel the same. Just saying

people cheated way before the nerf. the game isn't that hard. you can't justify cheating by being lazy

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

If you're going to cheat, then what's the point in playing?

[artificial-ignorance]

phoenixorion44 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ess&platform=pc after reading these posts yesterday, I checked this guys page. I showed a friend the page 1 hour ago, and when I checked it not he went up over 50 million credits...WTF???

WTF HAX

Time Played:  147H 56M 54S
Games Played: 426
Current Credits:  673,919,125

How do these cheaters even do this?

Modifié par artificial-ignorance, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:15 .

[gw2005]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

So cheating and getting away with it or looking the other way is ok but reporting it is bad,

mkah

depends on how and why. If that person is making adjustment to the coalsced file, making an full auto widow with no recoil, and ruining everybody's game.. that's bad. If the same person was soloing on bronze just for the LOLz and experimenting, wtf would you care?

If somebody is exploiting the game mechanics ... well everybody does that. pizza delivery anyone? In fact I'd even argue that the rocket glitchers are not that different, however annoying it might be. It's up to Bioware to fix the problem, not up to us to decide who shouldn't play because of it. Why? Because it's wrong. Unless it was their intention to ruin YOUR game, they shouldn't be punished by having their rights to play the game they've BOUGHT taken away, FOREVER. Likely without notice of any kind.

Instapermabans shows a lack of management knowledge/skill.

N7Kopper wrote...

You know what snitches get? They get kudos from other decent people for having the minimum standards for a decent person. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

By witch you mean we should all agree burn them because some incorporeal entity told us to do so we would save ourself? I gotcha.:innocent:

SGreenwell wrote...

Or, they're taking preventive action to make sure there are less people that will ruin their playing experience via drop-in play, for example.

I'd agree if doing so will actually solve the problem. It doesn't, so it's pointless AND wrong. No.

Modifié par gw2005, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:22 .

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

The cheaters should be banned because soloing or pug they still impact the community. I want to know that the guys ahead of me in the leader boards earned their way there, just like the guys under me know I earned my up.

[zoopmitty]

OperatingWookie wrote...

xlxkxcc wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Harbingerpromo wrote...

You didn't ban THIS guy?

http://social.biowar...l81&platform=pc

Haha, 84 completions of the lone wolf challenge, that looks total legit to me!

Maybe he solos alot?

Seems legit.

At first it seems legit to me then I noticed his play hours and number of matches completed. He bascially on average completed every match within around 18 mins. That's unbelievable considering he soloed platinum 85 times and gold 170 times. 

Well then...

A WITCH!

yeah i was going to defend this guy.... until i did some math....  
so get the lone wolf challenge you would at the minimum solo 5 silver 2 gold and 1 plat.  completing it 85 times will bring it to total games played to 680 games.  but it only shows that he played 330 games... huhhhh how does that compute???  maybe i'm missing something...  hmmmmm

but then again i do believe that if you complete a higher solo difficulty solo run it unlocks the lower difficulty...  i.e. 1 solo platnium will count to 2 solo gold.  but i don't know if that also unlock 2 silver or 4 and 4 bronze or 8.   

unless this is proven one way or another i guess i'm on the fence with this player...

Modifié par zoopmitty, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[DarkAbsolution]

zoopmitty wrote...

yeah i was going to defend this guy.... until i did some math....  
so get the lone wolf challenge you would at the minimum solo 5 silver 2 gold and 1 plat.  completing it 85 times will bring it to total games played to 680 games.  but it only shows that he played 330 games... huhhhh how does that compute???  maybe i'm missing something...  hmmmmm

I had a good think about this, and purely for the purposes of education here, this is what I think is happening:

For Solo Mastery:

Completing 1 Platinum, counts also as 1 Gold, 1 Silver AND 1 Bronze (yes, all together you get 4)
Completing 1 Gold counts also as 1 Silver AND 1 Bronze (you get 3)
Completing 1 Silver counts also as 1 Bronze completion

Get any 3 maxed, and you get Mastery, with ranks still remaining in the 4th that is uncompleted.

If you work the system well, you can do it like this:

1 Platinum, 1 Gold, 3 Silver => Mastery with 5 ranks in Bronze
then
1 Platinum, 1 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze => Mastery with 3 ranks in Silver
then
1 Platinum, 1 Gold => Mastery (due to Silver maxing as well), with 2 ranks in Bronze
then
1 Platinum, 1 Gold, 3 Silver => Mastery with 7 ranks in Bronze
then
1 Platinum, 1 Gold, 1 Bronze => Mastery with 2 ranks in Silver
then
1 Platinum, 1 Gold, 1 Silver => Mastery with 3 ranks in Bronze
...and so on...
Just make sure that when you gain Mastery that you leave at least 2 more games to achieve completion in either Bronze or Silver.

As you can see, once you start the sequence, the subsequent masteries can occur fairly quickly without that many more matches.

I ran through it, and I estimate that you can basically obtain Solo Mastery somewhere between every 3.5 -> 3.75 successful games on long term averages using that system.

If he's doing it like that, then that explains how.

Modifié par DarkAbsolution, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[Yukari Yakumo]

well ain't that a load of christmas coal

*le sigh*

Modifié par Yukari Yakumo, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:07 .

[DarkAbsolution]

Yukari Yakumo wrote...

well ain't that a load of christmas coal

*le sigh*

Why would you be sighing?  Does it affect you?

[stromguard555]

Fitting... It was indeed the end if the world for some.

[cory257383]

I'm sure I will get a lot of love for this comment but.. hmmm snitches. Just quit.

[jm2207]

I'm fine with Microsoft banning Xbox console modders. I'm fine with BioWare banning PC users who change their multiplayer .INIs. I just can't get behind dropping the ban hammer on people who are doing nothing more than pressing buttons on their controllers. I find missile glitching to be as annoying and disruptive as anyone else, but every time someone starts chucking out an endless stream of missiles my displeasure is directed chiefly at the mechanism in place that made it possible. The fact that people are still doing it after multiple ban waves only serves to illustrate the sober fact that people will continue to do it until the game is fixed. Personally, I will just continue to tell my Xbox to avoid the player in the future, go on my merry way and leave the snitching to snitches. I invite all Xbox users to try that. Write down the offending gamertag and see if you ever encounter them in the future. I'd be very surprised if you do.

The fact that BioWare bans people for something that exists within the confines of the game should be frightening and not applauded. Being compelled to modify my game behavior (quitting/wasting/reporting/whatever) when randomly grouped with a cheater to avoid the potential axe is downright insulting. The consensus is that missile glitching is cheating, but the bottom line is that's only because BioWare says so, and it only happens because they can't or won't fix it. They already have the cheater's money and can be reasonably certain they won't get any more of it through store purchases, so why not decrease the load on the servers a bit? I fully support their right to do whatever they deem best and/or necessary, but I don't believe the TOS requires me to agree with it. I certainly hope it doesn't.

I have no dog in this fight but the whole thing seems a bit misguided at best.

[Smallpox_Jenkins]

 Merry Christmas you cheating suckas.

[Dup3r]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Leaderboard wipes are coming after the new year

Do you mean that banned cheaters will be removed from the leader board or that everything/everyone gets reset to 0?

abcmasseffect wrote...

Well bioware people wouldnt cheat
if u didnt nerf everything. You dont see gears of war, COD or any other
online game nerfing weapons and characters. Whats the point of making
them, then nerfing them. You nerf characters then buff up the enemies,
not smart. Thats why people rocket glitch or glitch in general. I dont
cause i dont find it hard on platinum personally, but everybody doesnt
feel the same. Just saying

hm.. well in my estimation, Activisions franchises have some seriously lop-sided mechanics in their games.  And they do, in fact, nerf and buff certain things in those games on various patchs. Read their release notes.  They just don't do it every week.  So Kudos to BW for Constantly examining their work and endevering to improve on it.

[IIFlash]

abcmasseffect wrote...

Well bioware people wouldnt cheat if u didnt nerf everything. You dont see gears of war, COD or any other online game nerfing weapons and characters. Whats the point of making them, then nerfing them. You nerf characters then buff up the enemies, not smart. Thats why people rocket glitch or glitch in general. I dont cause i dont find it hard on platinum personally, but everybody doesnt feel the same. Just saying

EPIC made quite a few balance changes to a select few weapons damage/range/spawn locations/etc when title updates were released. This was due to many players abusing certain cheap tactics resulting in ruining other peoples games/fun. 

Also cheating or endorsing cheating of any kind is wrong and anyone that does can and should be banned, since it can result in others who simply do not know any better being banned as well just because they played with one.
I for one am glad that a lot of gaming companies such as BioWare are doing something about it. 

[Leonia]

tim225 wrote...

If you're going to cheat, then what's the point in playing?

This.

Thanks Bioware for keeping things fair around here, a lot of other companies could learn from this. An equally fair and fun environment will enhance and extend an online game's longevity.

[Tiby4u]

I'm actually glad because just a few days ago I was playing with someone from France that was using the missile glitch so I reported him for cheating. Normally I might not have but here's the thing...HE WAS DOING THIS ON SILVER.
Now I don't want to sound like a complete ****** but if you're that bad at the game to do that on silver then you have no business playing the game.

Thank you for the banhammer!

Modifié par Tiby4u, 23 décembre 2012 - 11:37 .

[Leonia]

jm2207 wrote...

I'm fine with Microsoft banning Xbox console modders. I'm fine with BioWare banning PC users who change their multiplayer .INIs. I just can't get behind dropping the ban hammer on people who are doing nothing more than pressing buttons on their controllers. I find missile glitching to be as annoying and disruptive as anyone else, but every time someone starts chucking out an endless stream of missiles my displeasure is directed chiefly at the mechanism in place that made it possible. The fact that people are still doing it after multiple ban waves only serves to illustrate the sober fact that people will continue to do it until the game is fixed. Personally, I will just continue to tell my Xbox to avoid the player in the future, go on my merry way and leave the snitching to snitches. I invite all Xbox users to try that. Write down the offending gamertag and see if you ever encounter them in the future. I'd be very surprised if you do.

The fact that BioWare bans people for something that exists within the confines of the game should be frightening and not applauded. Being compelled to modify my game behavior (quitting/wasting/reporting/whatever) when randomly grouped with a cheater to avoid the potential axe is downright insulting. The consensus is that missile glitching is cheating, but the bottom line is that's only because BioWare says so, and it only happens because they can't or won't fix it. They already have the cheater's money and can be reasonably certain they won't get any more of it through store purchases, so why not decrease the load on the servers a bit? I fully support their right to do whatever they deem best and/or necessary, but I don't believe the TOS requires me to agree with it. I certainly hope it doesn't.

I have no dog in this fight but the whole thing seems a bit misguided at best.

Would you rather the cheaters be allowed to repeatedly offend? They are the ones breaking the TOS, not Bioware. Many attempts have been made to correct the missile glitch issue, namely the buffing/nerfing of the Acolyte and other such mechanisms. Perhaps it's not as simple as they "can't or won't fix it" because they don't know the source of the problem well enough to put a fix in place. There's no room for cheaters in this community or any other gaming community, games are meant to be enjoyed not exploited. Nobody says you have to report things, simply leave a game where you suspect someone is cheating and let someone else take up the slack for reporting them. I read your post and it basically reads like "Well, it's not the criminal's fault there is a loophole for them to exploit." Are you really defending the cheaters?

[Maria Caliban]

gw2005 wrote...

So they ARE cheating, how does that concern you and your game? none. Unless you're reporting somebody who just ruined your game because they were one shoot downing boss units on plat, you're a snitch.

So if they ARE snitching, how does that concern you and your game? none.

[solidprice]

Battlepope190 wrote...

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

Merry Christmas, scrubs!

I lol'ed

stromguard555 wrote...

Fitting... It was indeed the end if the world for some.

[img]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/12/123937/2163981-csi_yeah_skyline.jpg[img]

Modifié par solidprice, 23 décembre 2012 - 01:04 .

[UnRestrikted]

I don't like cheaters either, but why is Bioware being reactive as opposed to being preventive?

Banning a few hundred alleged cheaters doesn't solve the problem at all. I've always played the game legitimately, but I can understand why people feel compelled to cheat.

I've played the game daily since March (nearly 900 hours) and I STILL haven't maxed out my manifest. I'm very competent at the game, but everyone is at the mercy of the random store.

It's very easy to see why people resort to cheating when Bioware makes it more difficult to earn credits through enemy buffs, stunlocks, and power/weapon nerfs. Once I finish a succession of platinum matches and receive no fruit of my labor, I consider it a slap in my face. Especially when you tally up all the time wasted on "grinding."

Cheating is wrong, I agree. Even though I don't condone it, I UNDERSTAND why people do it.

Bioware, PLEASE address the underlying issue
For the sake of the playerbase as well as your future endeavors in games to come.

Modifié par UnRestrikted, 23 décembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[ZoM_Head]

artificial-ignorance wrote...

phoenixorion44 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ess&platform=pc after reading these posts yesterday, I checked this guys page. I showed a friend the page 1 hour ago, and when I checked it not he went up over 50 million credits...WTF???

WTF HAX

Time Played:  147H 56M 54S
Games Played: 426
Current Credits:  673,919,125

How do these cheaters even do this?

150 hours and a maxed out manifest.

So, i guess when i spent 900+ hours to max out the manifest, i wasted my time?

[artificial-ignorance]

ZoM_Head wrote...

artificial-ignorance wrote...

phoenixorion44 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ess&platform=pc after reading these posts yesterday, I checked this guys page. I showed a friend the page 1 hour ago, and when I checked it not he went up over 50 million credits...WTF???

WTF HAX

Time Played:  147H 56M 54S
Games Played: 426
Current Credits:  673,919,125

How do these cheaters even do this?

150 hours and a maxed out manifest.

So, i guess when i spent 900+ hours to max out the manifest, i wasted my time?

It kinda makes you feel like crap doesn't it? I know it does to me...<_<

[gw2005]

Maria Caliban wrote...

gw2005 wrote...

So they ARE cheating, how does that concern you and your game? none. Unless you're reporting somebody who just ruined your game because they were one shoot downing boss units on plat, you're a snitch.

So if they ARE snitching, how does that concern you and your game? none.

yes, circular argument, very clever there. You also missed the point.