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Ban Wave 6 - Dec. 21st, 2012


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#101
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I don't know how this guy missed the ban hammer. He's still accruing >1000 CPs a day:

This Guy

91 Solo Mastery completions (almost 92). 27 SMG Masteries. 28 Assault Rifle Masteries. Hasn't even completed Cerb or Geth Mastery's yet. Has completed Reaper Mastery once, but has almost all the sub-challenges maxed, but Cannibals is only a fifth of the way through Cannibal Points 1. About the only way that's possible is if he simply never plays anything other than Platinum, and I don't believe that he will have played all ~460 games he will have needed to do that many solo masteries all on Platinum alone.

At first glance, he looks possibly legit, but look deeper, and too many things make you go WTF?

I took a snap-shot of the points yesterday and today, and it looks like almost all of the major CP cheater accounts got picked up, except for the guy mentioned above.

Modifié par DarkAbsolution, 23 décembre 2012 - 07:40 .


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RB26D3TT wrote...

Is this guy banned? http://social.biowar...ess&platform=pc
It's so obvious that he's a cheater that my eyes hurt. I reported him weeks ago.


Judging by his title (hero of the last days), he wasn't. But still, he could use father's credit card...

EDIT: Wait, his credits... :facepalm:

Modifié par Serker31, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:03 .


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Bryan Johnson wrote...

Leaderboard wipes are coming after the new year


Ehm, what exactly is going to be wiped? Banned people scores, or all scores?

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Serker31 wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Leaderboard wipes are coming after the new year


Ehm, what exactly is going to be wiped? Banned people scores, or all scores?


If it's like last time (this has happened before), he means just the cheaters get wiped from the leaderboards.

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leonia42 wrote...

jm2207 wrote...

I'm fine with Microsoft banning Xbox console modders. I'm fine with BioWare banning PC users who change their multiplayer .INIs. I just can't get behind dropping the ban hammer on people who are doing nothing more than pressing buttons on their controllers. I find missile glitching to be as annoying and disruptive as anyone else, but every time someone starts chucking out an endless stream of missiles my displeasure is directed chiefly at the mechanism in place that made it possible. The fact that people are still doing it after multiple ban waves only serves to illustrate the sober fact that people will continue to do it until the game is fixed. Personally, I will just continue to tell my Xbox to avoid the player in the future, go on my merry way and leave the snitching to snitches. I invite all Xbox users to try that. Write down the offending gamertag and see if you ever encounter them in the future. I'd be very surprised if you do.

The fact that BioWare bans people for something that exists within the confines of the game should be frightening and not applauded. Being compelled to modify my game behavior (quitting/wasting/reporting/whatever) when randomly grouped with a cheater to avoid the potential axe is downright insulting. The consensus is that missile glitching is cheating, but the bottom line is that's only because BioWare says so, and it only happens because they can't or won't fix it. They already have the cheater's money and can be reasonably certain they won't get any more of it through store purchases, so why not decrease the load on the servers a bit? I fully support their right to do whatever they deem best and/or necessary, but I don't believe the TOS requires me to agree with it. I certainly hope it doesn't.

I have no dog in this fight but the whole thing seems a bit misguided at best.


Would you rather the cheaters be allowed to repeatedly offend? They are the ones breaking the TOS, not Bioware. Many attempts have been made to correct the missile glitch issue, namely the buffing/nerfing of the Acolyte and other such mechanisms. Perhaps it's not as simple as they "can't or won't fix it" because they don't know the source of the problem well enough to put a fix in place. There's no room for cheaters in this community or any other gaming community, games are meant to be enjoyed not exploited. Nobody says you have to report things, simply leave a game where you suspect someone is cheating and let someone else take up the slack for reporting them. I read your post and it basically reads like "Well, it's not the criminal's fault there is a loophole for them to exploit." Are you really defending the cheaters?


If what you got out of my original post was a defense of cheaters I suggest you might need to improve your reading comprehension skills. As for your analogy to criminals: if there's a loophole in the law, then strictly speaking the law hasn't been broken and your criminals aren't criminals. Glitchers on the other hand are indeed breaking the rules, I just happen to disagree with the "solution" to what I have already said is a problem.

Banning a few hundred people every few months is not going to stop people from cheating. They can just buy another online pass for $10, make a new gamertag or something to that effect. I don't know what's required but (at least on the consoles) it doesn't involve buying a whole new copy of the game.

You say that I merely have to quit when someone begins glitching — that's a waste of my time and my equipment. Some people might prefer quitting, but others might want to stick it out and should not be guilty by association if an intent to cheat on their part can't be clearly demonstrated.

P.S. "Not knowing the source of the problem well enough to put a fix in place" is what I referred to as "can't fix" in my original post.

Modifié par jm2207, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:53 .


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jm2207 wrote...

If what you got out of my original post was a defense of cheaters I suggest you might need to improve your reading comprehension skills. As for your analogy to criminals: if there's a loophole in the law, then strictly speaking the law hasn't been broken and your criminals aren't criminals. Glitchers on the other hand are indeed breaking the rules, I just happen to disagree with the "solution" to what I have already said is a problem.

Banning a few hundred people every few months is not going to stop people from cheating. They can just buy another online pass for $10, make a new gamertag or something to that effect. I don't know what's required but (at least on the consoles) it doesn't involve buying a whole new copy of the game.

You say that I merely have to quit when someone begins glitching — that's a waste of my time and my equipment. Some people might prefer quitting, but others might want to stick it out and should not be guilty by association if an intent to cheat on their part can't be clearly demonstrated.

P.S. "Not knowing the source of the problem well enough to put a fix in place" is what I referred to as "can't fix" in my original post.


As long as there is client-side information flowing back to the game server, there will always be cheating in ANY game, online or otherwise.  Bioware is not the first company to discover this, and they won't be the last.  I work in computing as a software engineer, it is simply technically impossible, short of really incredibly intrusive and annoying security and validation measures that would bog the game down to an unbearable snails pace that lagged like crazy, and even then doubtful, to utterly remove all instances of client-side cheating, such as aim-bots, modding enemy/gun stats (which could still be done even if the game downloaded the stats at the start of each game from a server), memory over-writing, and so on.

People exploting unintended bugs/glitches in the game, such as missle glitchers, well yeah.  Name me any game, or any software for that matter short of:

#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
  printf("Hello World\\n");
}

that doesn't have a bug, and even then, the above program can still be exploited in certain ways if it's given administrator privileges.  Bugs/glitches simply are a fact in software, no matter how hard we try.  Mind you, I'm a little unimpressed by Bioware's QA team's ongoing performance in letting obvious stuff slip through.  In time they get fixed though (or hopefully they do).

In short, bugs/modding/glitching is simply a fact of life.  All that any company can do if it wants to keep the playing base fair and even for all players is to make VERY clear Public Service Announcements as to what's considered exploiting the system, and then make it so unattractive for the glitchers/cheaters that it doesn't become worth their while.  Still, there's always some real die-hards out there.  You just gotta keep knocking them on the head, much like us software engineers do with bugs.  It's a two-fold strategy.  Kill the bugs and kill the cheater's accounts.  Do them equally, and overall the game should be fairly even for all.

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leaderboards wipes?

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jm2207 wrote...

P.S. "Not knowing the source of the problem well enough to put a fix in place" is what I referred to as "can't fix" in my original post.


The tone suggested you didn't believe they were even trying to fix the issue. If it was as simple as waving a wand, they'd have done that by now.

As DarkAbsolution said in much better terms than I could, this is the only way one can deal with the cheaters. If you let them continue their behaviour (which is against the TOS), it creates a widespread problem that can easily get out of hand. Your post heavily implied it was Bioware's fault that there were cheaters and that the cheaters weren't at fault. If that was not your intent, then perhaps you should have worded things better.

Missile glitching is a known exploit, anyone who does it does it with the knowledge they are breaking the rules and they should be dealt with accordingly. That said, your post also focused only on missile glitching and players reporting said missile glitchers while the OP of this thread clearly says there were multiple reasons for banning and not all of them relied on other players practicing due diligence.

If you wish to see cheaters put down, then report them. If that's too much effort for you, somebody else will do it. But this by no means Bioware isn't trying to create a healthy environment free of cheaters or requiring their players to do anything unusual. I'd be interested in hearing your solution to this problem if the current method is so misguided.

Modifié par leonia42, 24 décembre 2012 - 03:35 .


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phoenixorion44 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ess&platform=pc after reading these posts yesterday, I checked this guys page. I showed a friend the page 1 hour ago, and when I checked it not he went up over 50 million credits...WTF???

check out his credits now!!!:blink: wth is going on???

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For those who haven't seen this guy yet. I had already reported it here.

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So basically this is a snitch/tattletale thread...

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parico wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

xlxkxcc wrote...

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Harbingerpromo wrote...

You didn't ban THIS guy?

http://social.biowar...l81&platform=pc


Haha, 84 completions of the lone wolf challenge, that looks total legit to me! :lol:


Maybe he solos alot?

Seems legit.

At first it seems legit to me then I noticed his play hours and number of matches completed. He bascially on average completed every match within around 18 mins. That's unbelievable considering he soloed platinum 85 times and gold 170 times. 



Well then... Posted Image



A WITCH!



Looks like a pc player who may have hacked something to increase weapon damage.  That profile looks really supiscious but shouldnt this have been reported to the cheater thing not called out in public??


I reported this guy nearly a month ago:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/14898406/1

That was the day when he had 39 solo mastery and the best weapon he had was a Harrier IV. The weapon he was using for doing the solos (the only one that had points) was the avenger.

What they do is this:

www.youtube.com/watch

Aimbot, no recoil, infinite ammo. Nothing more, nothing else.

Modifié par Harbingerpromo, 24 décembre 2012 - 12:53 .


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UnRestrikted wrote...

So basically this is a snitch/tattletale thread...


Or, a filter out the douches who cheat thread..........

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Merry xmas missile glitchers! Boooooom.

Of course with the offices closing, and the occasional mistaken ban, that can lead to some pretty messed up situations. I feel sincerely bad for those folks. No answers for weeks (not that they'd get one anyway). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for banning people like missile glitchers who ruin it for everyone else, but from the sounds of things, their policies in dealing with these situations is .... questionable should you be the victim of a mistaken ban. Now unless you believe everyone who claims to be banned in error is a liar (which seems a little prejudgemental and unrealistic) there are some people up against an extremely unfair situation (not allowed to know the charges, or plead your case... just placing yourself at the mercy of the people who made the mistake in the first place).
Don't get me wrong, bioware is human and mistakes are human, and to be expected occasionally.... but it seems their system for redress (sorry for the butchered spelling too much holiday cheer) puts the victims of accidents at a severe disadvantage.

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And yes guys, this thread isn't for publicly calling out people .... you're breaking the rules by doing that. Use the email listed in the op.

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+1

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SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

UnRestrikted wrote...

So basically this is a snitch/tattletale thread...


Or, a filter out the douches who cheat thread..........


Nice euphemism... Still, blasting people in the forums is against the rules. Just report the abusers in the proper avenues and they'll be dealt with accordingly. Reporting offenders is one thing; going out of your way to publicly persecute them is another.

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UnRestrikted wrote...

SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

UnRestrikted wrote...

So basically this is a snitch/tattletale thread...


Or, a filter out the douches who cheat thread..........


Nice euphemism... Still, blasting people in the forums is against the rules. Just report the abusers in the proper avenues and they'll be dealt with accordingly. Reporting offenders is one thing; going out of your way to publicly persecute them is another.


Hell you have people comming out int he forums admitting they cheat and nothing get done about it, so why not call it out pubically, especiallyt when they have public profiles to view and anyone wfor example who has 880 million creds(noob BTW) in like 120 games deserved to be recognized as a cheater scumbag. all this **** footing round like its a damn secret to tell over someone cheating is BS

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Serker31 wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Leaderboard wipes are coming after the new year


Ehm, what exactly is going to be wiped? Banned people scores, or all scores?


I quoted the same thing, I still got no answer either, so do not be shocked if there is not an answer given, cuz I want to know what consoles all of them or just the PC. they can sure jump in and lock threads fast enough on the forums but can give us a simple answer after a post like that.

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Harbingerpromo wrote...

You didn't ban THIS guy?

http://social.biowar...l81&platform=pc



HOLY CRAP!

I didn't pick up on that at first - everything else looked so normal (other than the 8 million credits - totally jealous).

But 84 times completing the Solo Mastery?

That is a LOT of waves on solo.  You'd think the player would get bored...even if they are playing with God cheats, still - how is that not utterly boring?

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UnRestrikted wrote...

So basically this is a snitch/tattletale thread...


And...BW explicitly asks us NOT to do that.

No public humiliation / red letter application / locking in the stocks allowed.

Still - I had no idea the cheating was so intense.

Modifié par Leones Maneres, 25 décembre 2012 - 05:53 .


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Excellent work on the bans.

To address the people with complaints, you are welcome to your opinions. No rule says you are forced to report someone. You do not even have to leave the game that has a cheater in it, simply do not continue playing with them again. Bioware has been extremely clear on this, so feel free to take the free credits and leave without reporting. This is your right under the ToS.

However, this same freedom extends to the players that report all cheaters. They are just as validated in reporting as you are in ignoring, and do not deserve your criticism. I personally don't care if you agree with the methods being used, the store system, or the ToS as long as you aren't a cheater. Once you cross that line, I do not care if you are the reincarnation of Mother Theresa, you are lower than dirt and DESERVE everything coming to you. You have no defense if you cheat, other than feeble excuses that mean nothing.

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Harbingerpromo wrote...

You didn't ban THIS guy?

http://social.biowar...l81&platform=pc


84 Platinum solos and yet have not completed the faction challenges? fishy!!

Modifié par Mindfane, 26 décembre 2012 - 03:19 .


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gw2005 wrote...

So they ARE cheating, how does that concern you and your game? none. Unless you're reporting somebody who just ruined your game because they were one shoot downing boss units on plat, you're a snitch.


Well, for starters, I actually respect the soldiers that have earned their status legitimately. Yes, it may seem silly to some but I hold this game and its community in the highest regard.

Cheaters, in short, harm the game and frustrate legitimate players. I would hate to see a challenge level of a 50k+ cheater discourage a hardcore player who has worked through the ranks and is sitting at 20k.

It hurts the community, it hurts morale and it hurts Bioware. Cheaters and people who have an argument in favor of them please GTFO. Get my drift? 

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keystpwned wrote...

gw2005 wrote...

So they ARE cheating, how does that concern you and your game? none. Unless you're reporting somebody who just ruined your game because they were one shoot downing boss units on plat, you're a snitch.


Well, for starters, I actually respect the soldiers that have earned their status legitimately. Yes, it may seem silly to some but I hold this game and its community in the highest regard.

Cheaters, in short, harm the game and frustrate legitimate players. I would hate to see a challenge level of a 50k+ cheater discourage a hardcore player who has worked through the ranks and is sitting at 20k.

It hurts the community, it hurts morale and it hurts Bioware. Cheaters and people who have an argument in favor of them please GTFO. Get my drift? 


For starters, people who work hard laugh at cheaters cheating for ranking's sakes. I know I do. You know ppl with 200k n7 rating didn't get there by playing fair. You also know that rating system that doesn't present gameplay statistics doesn't mean jack. Things like hits per shots, and how many times you die per match, things that actually measure one's skills. Those, were not implemented, you can lament your lost ego somewhere dark and damp for all I care.

Bioware doesn't get hurt, players do. They do when they get their rights they've purchased taken away, with no warning, no chance of appeal, and no explaination as to why it all happened. Such is the Bioware policy. Bioware also enforce it by banning any unwilling/unknowing associates. There are better ways to ward off unwelcomed playing style, insta-permabans are not one of them.

If you be capable of logical thinking, now's a good time to use it. 

Modifié par gw2005, 26 décembre 2012 - 08:22 .