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[BridgeBurner]

Stardusk wrote...
There is a problem and it is being ignored.

Devil's advocate here....

Statistics like those do not factor in that women make many more suicide attempts as men, they just aren't "successful" in as many attempts.

Also, mental health contributes to suicide rates. The psyche of a man more often than not means that instead of dealing with a problem they will instead ignore it. Arguably, more women are depressed on average, but more seek treatment and overcome depression. Off the top of my head, only about  ~15% of mental health patients being treated for depression in the UK are male; despite the fact that suicide is the second highest killer of men under 30 in the UK.

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around age 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" in testosterone levels and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

There is a problem, but its men's inability to talk, inability to seek help that is contributing to it.

Especially when a simple course of low dosed Test-E prescribed in one weekly shot is sufficient in an alarming number of cases to remedy the issue.

One of the body builders that i train with who went through hell at one point, his life improved greatly when he started back on cycle; most of his depression was linked to low testosterone levels and was alleviated completely by regular sustanon shots, mixed with other stuff too for body building (which served as both anti-depressants and anabolic agents.)

None of the gear he used was prescribed, but it served a purpose of dispelling his depression. I'm not saying every case can be treated like this, but the point I was trying to make is that men are their own worst enemy in many regards. If you never seek help, you can't complain when nobody helps you.

Modifié par Annomander, 22 décembre 2012 - 05:02 .

[Stardusk]

Lady Mortho wrote...

Why is France that high? *o*
Je suis quiete étonné réellement au taux de suicide dans les Frances.

Regardez le taux de divorce en France ainsique beaucoup d'autres facteurs qui ne contribuent pas au bien etre des hommes la bas.

[mrs_anomaly]

Annomander wrote...

Stardusk wrote...
There is a problem and it is being ignored.

Devil's advocate here....

Statistics like those do not factor in that women make many more suicide attempts as men, they just aren't "successful" in as many attempts.

Also, mental health contributes to suicide rates. The psyche of a man more often than not means that instead of dealing with a problem they will instead ignore it. Arguably, more women are depressed on average, but more seek treatment and overcome depression. Off the top of my head, only about  ~15% of mental health patients being treated for depression in the UK are male; despite the fact that suicide is the second highest killer of men under 30 in the UK.

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" of testosterone production and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

There is a problem, but its men's inability to talk, inability to seek help that is contributing to it.

Very true- I know that men are less likely to take advantage of more communication when they are dangerously depressed unfortunately . I know it's a cultural thing- I know men are expected to never show weaknes but I also think it has something to do with the means chosen for suicide. I remember reading studies showing more men are likely to chose a gun for example vs women who usually go the pills route- which is easier to stop if discovered quickly obviously. 

[megawug]

This is the MP forum folks. Statistics, psychology and world issues need to go elsewhere. Especially, the veteran BSNers, you're supposed to know the etiquette!!

[megabeast37215]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Cuz they totally look into it. It doesn't look staged or anything.

/sarcasm

Dumb bimbos. "Girl gamers" they are not. 

They totally look like "How the hell does this controller work!" and the one on the right looks like "This thing is SO MUCH MORE CONFUSING THAN MY iPHONE!!!!"

The one on the right looks scrumptous....

Modifié par megabeast37215, 22 décembre 2012 - 04:57 .

[Stardusk]

Annomander wrote...

Stardusk wrote...
There is a problem and it is being ignored.

Devil's advocate here....

Statistics like those do not factor in that women make many more suicide attempts as men, they just aren't "successful" in as many attempts.

Also, mental health contributes to suicide rates. The psyche of a man more often than not means that instead of dealing with a problem they will instead ignore it. Arguably, more women are depressed on average, but more seek treatment and overcome depression. Off the top of my head, only about  ~15% of mental health patients being treated for depression in the UK are male; despite the fact that suicide is the second highest killer of men under 30 in the UK.

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around age 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" in testosterone levels and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

There is a problem, but its men's inability to talk, inability to seek help that is contributing to it.

Men have been sexually selected for millenia to be useful to others and not concentrate on themselves. Depression rates are unknown amonst men for precisely that reason. Look at the difference in expenditures in the UK for breast cancer vs. prostate cancer. Society does not value the well being of men compared to women and that is simply a fact.

[rubynorman]

Airealite wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

Airealite wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

LOL Airealite whenever a femshep/ female gamer thread pops up I always see you making negative posts in them.

Well, aren't you an observant one

It's your beautiful avatar that caught my eye <3

Aww, thank you!  I could dress you up as the same as my avatar, and then tie you up and allow strange men to sodomize you!

Oh, you've never heard of that? You're silly. That's all women on the internet talk about! Raping men with the help of other men! Don't you know that all women want to do is feminize men, likely to eliminate the perceived threat they pose?

Just trust me, you'll secretly come to love it. You'll get in touch with your inner woman!

/ohboyherewego

Suddenly, this gets out of hand Where are all this "rape" stuffs come out ? You're a weird guy. Me, no talk to you anymore *runs and hides*

[Stardusk]

mrs_anomaly wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Stardusk wrote...
There is a problem and it is being ignored.

Devil's advocate here....

Statistics like those do not factor in that women make many more suicide attempts as men, they just aren't "successful" in as many attempts.

Also, mental health contributes to suicide rates. The psyche of a man more often than not means that instead of dealing with a problem they will instead ignore it. Arguably, more women are depressed on average, but more seek treatment and overcome depression. Off the top of my head, only about  ~15% of mental health patients being treated for depression in the UK are male; despite the fact that suicide is the second highest killer of men under 30 in the UK.

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" of testosterone production and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

There is a problem, but its men's inability to talk, inability to seek help that is contributing to it.

Very true- I know that men are less likely to take advantage of more communication when they are dangerously depressed unfortunately . I know it's a cultural thing- I know men are expected to never show weaknes but I also think it has something to do with the means chosen for suicide. I remember reading studies showing more men are likely to chose a gun for example vs women who usually go the pills route- which is easier to stop if discovered quickly obviously. 

A slight correction; it is a biological thing enforced by a culture that itself is a derivative of our biology. 

[Abraham_uk]

Stardusk wrote...

Lady Mortho wrote...

Why is France that high? *o*
Je suis quiete étonné réellement au taux de suicide dans les Frances.

I am really shocked and surprised that the suicide rate in France is that high!

Regardez le taux de divorce en France ainsique beaucoup d'autres facteurs qui ne contribuent pas au bien etre des hommes la bas.

You might care to notice the devorce rate in france being what it is, despite other factors that do not have a positive impact on the men's well being over there.

I've somehow become this thread's translator.
Despite the fact my French is poor.


Magrais que ma Français est mauvaise, je suis la traducteur pour cette discussion...

[iOnlySignIn]

Annomander wrote...

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around age 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" in testosterone levels and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

One of the body builders that i train with who went through hell at one point, his life improved greatly when he started back on cycle; most of his depression was linked to low testosterone levels and was alleviated completely by regular sustanon shots, mixed with other stuff too for body building (which served as both anti-depressants and anabolic agents.)

I had problems like this since age 21. I would feel depressed if I had not exercised strenuously in the previous few days.

I think it might be related more to dopamine/endorphine/serotonin production instead of the sex hormones. I've done dietary adjustment/depletion tests on myself that seem to confirm my hypotheses.

IIRC female athletes suffer from similar problems when they break from their regular training regime.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 22 décembre 2012 - 05:04 .

[Airealite]

rubynorman wrote...

Suddenly, this gets out of hand Where are all this "rape" stuffs come out ? You're a weird guy. Me, no talk to you anymore *runs and hides*

[d_nought]

God damn, I just came back from Blighttown and now I had to read this and all the other spam on the front page.

Social and gender expectations. Please try to give less of a sh*t about them, thank you.

[Ledgend1221]

Stardusk wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Stardusk wrote...
There is a problem and it is being ignored.

Devil's advocate here....

Statistics like those do not factor in that women make many more suicide attempts as men, they just aren't "successful" in as many attempts.

Also, mental health contributes to suicide rates. The psyche of a man more often than not means that instead of dealing with a problem they will instead ignore it. Arguably, more women are depressed on average, but more seek treatment and overcome depression. Off the top of my head, only about  ~15% of mental health patients being treated for depression in the UK are male; despite the fact that suicide is the second highest killer of men under 30 in the UK.

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around age 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" in testosterone levels and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

There is a problem, but its men's inability to talk, inability to seek help that is contributing to it.

Men have been sexually selected for millenia to be useful to others and not concentrate on themselves. Depression rates are unknown amonst men for precisely that reason. Look at the difference in expenditures in the UK for breast cancer vs. prostate cancer. Society does not value the well being of men compared to women and that is simply a fact.

It's simply biology.
Men are stronger, tougher, smarter and make better leaders, but we are more disposable.

1 women and 20 men = Extinction.
1 Man and 20 women = Viable chance for countinuing the species.

But for some reason women want to screw with this and become thigs they shouldn't, like leaders, soldiers etc.

[Pantalaimon]

Airealite wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

Suddenly, this gets out of hand Where are all this "rape" stuffs come out ? You're a weird guy. Me, no talk to you anymore *runs and hides*

I lol'd.

[Stardusk]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around age 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" in testosterone levels and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

One of the body builders that i train with who went through hell at one point, his life improved greatly when he started back on cycle; most of his depression was linked to low testosterone levels and was alleviated completely by regular sustanon shots, mixed with other stuff too for body building (which served as both anti-depressants and anabolic agents.)

I had problems like this since age 21. I would feel depressed if I had not exercised strenuously in the previous few days.

I think it might be related more to dopamine/endorphine/serotonin production instead of the sex hormones.

IIRC female athletes suffer from similar problems when they break from their regular training regime.

There actually have been studies showing that the average of serum testosterone levels have decreased over the last 30 years, at least in the USA. The study I read posits negative chemical influences from the envrionment.

[Stardusk]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Stardusk wrote...
There is a problem and it is being ignored.

Devil's advocate here....

Statistics like those do not factor in that women make many more suicide attempts as men, they just aren't "successful" in as many attempts.

Also, mental health contributes to suicide rates. The psyche of a man more often than not means that instead of dealing with a problem they will instead ignore it. Arguably, more women are depressed on average, but more seek treatment and overcome depression. Off the top of my head, only about  ~15% of mental health patients being treated for depression in the UK are male; despite the fact that suicide is the second highest killer of men under 30 in the UK.

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around age 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" in testosterone levels and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

There is a problem, but its men's inability to talk, inability to seek help that is contributing to it.

Men have been sexually selected for millenia to be useful to others and not concentrate on themselves. Depression rates are unknown amonst men for precisely that reason. Look at the difference in expenditures in the UK for breast cancer vs. prostate cancer. Society does not value the well being of men compared to women and that is simply a fact.

It's simply biology.
Men are stronger, tougher, smarter and make better leaders, but we are more disposable.

1 women and 20 men = Extinction.
1 Man and 20 women = Viable chance for countinuing the species.

But for some reason women want to screw with this and become thigs they shouldn't, like leaders, soldiers etc.

I don't blame them for I certainly wish that men were not disposable.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Stardusk wrote...

Men have been sexually selected for millenia to be useful to others and not concentrate on themselves. Depression rates are unknown amonst men for precisely that reason. Look at the difference in expenditures in the UK for breast cancer vs. prostate cancer. Society does not value the well being of men compared to women and that is simply a fact.

That's 'cause for millennia, society has been ruled by men. Customs, laws etc. make the protection of women and children paramount. Its always considered the "man's role" to be the guardian and leader -- men get very upset when their "role" is challenged. And often, by nature men feel compelled to protect women.
Your logic in this matter is a lot like a dog chasing its tail.

Modifié par JAZZ_LEG3ND, 22 décembre 2012 - 05:08 .

[Abraham_uk]

Oooh boy. We have sexism too!

Horray for sexism!
Yippy! Let's join the sexism bandwagon!
Sexist comments for everyone!

[BridgeBurner]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

It's simply biology.
Men are stronger, tougher, smarter and make better leaders, but we are more disposable.

1 women and 20 men = Extinction.
1 Man and 20 women = Viable chance for countinuing the species.

But for some reason women want to screw with this and become thigs they shouldn't, like leaders, soldiers etc.

Hardly, women may lack physical strength but women tend to be every bit as intelligent as men do.

When continuation of the species is a non-issue, there is no real reason why men should be considered superior to women or receive preferential treatment.

I am able to squat heavier than most men, let alone women can. Does that make me superior to say, a female neuroscientist, who writes books and has received acclaim in peer reviewed journals? Do I get to order her around and decide what she should and shouldn't be able to do or be?

Your post makes no sense, and is a blatant display of sexism.

Who gave you the right to decide what ANYONE, regardless of gender is capable of?

Modifié par Annomander, 22 décembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Ledgend1221]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Oooh boy. We have sexism too!

Horray for sexism!
Yippy! Let's join the sexism bandwagon!
Sexist comments for everyone!

Sexism is only a fact of nature.
Equality is un-natural.

[Pantalaimon]

 IT BURNS!

[Ledgend1221]

Annomander wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

It's simply biology.
Men are stronger, tougher, smarter and make better leaders, but we are more disposable.

1 women and 20 men = Extinction.
1 Man and 20 women = Viable chance for countinuing the species.

But for some reason women want to screw with this and become thigs they shouldn't, like leaders, soldiers etc.

Hardly, women may lack physical strength but women tend to be every bit as intelligent as men do.

When continuation of the species is a non-issue, there is no real reason why men should be considered superior to women.

I am able to squat heavier than most men, let alone women can. Does that make me superior to say, a female neuroscientist, who writes books and has received acclaim in peer reviewed journals? Do I get to order her around and decide what she should and shouldn't be able to do or be?

Your post makes no sense, and is a blatant display of sexism.

Who gave you the right to decide what ANYONE, regardless of gender is capable of?

There, there.
Let it all out.

[DomiroXZ]

Stardusk wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Testosterone levels are also intrinsically linked to male feelings of wellbeing, so around age 25 when levels of lutenizing hormone begin to diminish, this has a negative impact on testosterone production via the hypothalima-testicular-pituary axis, leading to a "slump" in testosterone levels and this has a defined impact on the man's sense of wellbeing.

One of the body builders that i train with who went through hell at one point, his life improved greatly when he started back on cycle; most of his depression was linked to low testosterone levels and was alleviated completely by regular sustanon shots, mixed with other stuff too for body building (which served as both anti-depressants and anabolic agents.)

I had problems like this since age 21. I would feel depressed if I had not exercised strenuously in the previous few days.

I think it might be related more to dopamine/endorphine/serotonin production instead of the sex hormones.

IIRC female athletes suffer from similar problems when they break from their regular training regime.

There actually have been studies showing that the average of serum testosterone levels have decreased over the last 30 years, at least in the USA. The study I read posits negative chemical influences from the envrionment.

Indeed chemical in nature.

PCBs found in everyday items (Soap, etc) and trace amounts in our food, large amounts of soy processed in our foods and processed foods in general. Refined grains that clog us up and prohibit efficient nutrient absorbtion, lack of sunlight due to officework resulting in low Vitamin D levels with quicker Osteoporosis as result.

Men benefit from a good diet far more; good diet, great body and an even greater mind.

[Stardusk]

JAZZ_LEG3ND wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Men have been sexually selected for millenia to be useful to others and not concentrate on themselves. Depression rates are unknown amonst men for precisely that reason. Look at the difference in expenditures in the UK for breast cancer vs. prostate cancer. Society does not value the well being of men compared to women and that is simply a fact.

That's 'cause for millennia, society has been ruled by men. Customs, laws etc. make the protection of women and children paramount. Its always considered the "man's role" to be the guardian and leader -- men get very upset when their "role" is challenged. And often, by nature men feel compelled to protect women.
Your logic in this matter is a lot like a dog chasing its tail.

I am aware of all the causes, believe me. But there are men who are awakening to their disposability and have had it, of course most will never even see it but some are, slowly but surely. Not all men favour the traditional role of acting as a sacrificial worker drone for women.