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[BjornDaDwarf]

Cyonan wrote...

They'll apply to certain human nature that is unavoidable. I never said there wasn't constants for humans, just not for gender that is behaviour based.

As I said above, there are huge gaps.  But there is some pretty clear evidence that in terms of sexuality, there are massive behavioral differences based on gender and sexual orientation.  It may not be appropriate to delve to deep into that on the BSN, but the indication is that yes, the genders do actually have different biologically determined behaviors, in at least a few areas. 

Modifié par BjornDaDwarf, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .

[CitizenThom]

Cyonan wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...
Then why do advertisers advertise to people as if they're all the same? There are no common threads to appeal to?

They'll apply to certain human nature that is unavoidable. I never said there wasn't constants for humans, just not for gender that is behaviour based.

There is no nature you can say "Most Women are like this" or "Most Men are like this" for within our society(I suppose this statement is sort of reliant on people being in North America), much less the entire world. Maybe within certain societies you could have a much easier time with it based on which society you picked, certainly if you were going off a few historical civilizations.

Next time you spend an hour or two watching TV... try counting the common themes between commercials, how women are typically portrayed, how men are typically portrayed, how kids are typically portrayed, how older folk are portrayed... tell me if you don't see some themes running pretty constant as to how each of these groups are portrayed in commercials. Which characters in commercials are portrayed in the best light, which ones are not?

The characters portrayed in the best light are expected to be symapthetic to the people that will be purchasing things, right? That would be the point of the ad I imagine. Sure, they could sell some things appealing to a group's sense of inadequacy, but empowerment would seem to be a better way to sell more things given the choice of the two, right?

So who are advertisers kissing up to, and who do they not really care to impress?

[Inebriated Jedi]

Sup.

[TeamLexana]

kaileena_sands wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

Ahh... Why this thread so creepy?

Still not as creepy as the old one about the husks' missing bits. 

Glad I missed that one then, lol.

[Original Twigman]

Stardusk wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...
Then why do advertisers advertise to people as if they're all the same? There are no common threads to appeal to?

They'll apply to certain human nature that is unavoidable. I never said there wasn't constants for humans, just not for gender that is behaviour based.

There is no nature you can say "Most Women are like this" or "Most Men are like this" for within our society(I suppose this statement is sort of reliant on people being in North America), much less the entire world. Maybe within certain societies you could have a much easier time with it based on which society you picked, certainly if you were going off a few historical civilizations.

Stardusk wrote...
How little you know if you claim there are no biological behavourial universals. How little you know...

Considering history, I would say that you know very little my dear Stardusk.

It is possible to get behavourial universals, but only if your society forces them on people. not because they are biological.

But I'm up for some debating before this gets locked so please, enlighten me.

Ahah. So, it is all society? We can speak of civilisation of sorts for 10,000 or so years, we can speak of biology for over 3 billion years. And you say social convention trumps biology?  Have you thought about the possibility that social convention is merely informed by base biological drives?

So, Stardusk, you are saying that, when predicting the behavior of females, it is possibile to distinguish the biological and societal influences, and that biological drive is more influential?

Did i get it right?

[Stalker1337shzbt]

YOU HAVE CREATED A MONSTER

[CitizenThom]

Stardusk wrote...

DomiroXZ wrote...

Put down your shining armour, listen to Stardusk for longer than it takes to come up with some passive-agressive insult and maybe look into the matter of male and female social interaction a little afterwards.

If you're still not convinced, then you've lost a little time and nothing else.

I do not believe, based on my experience, that people, either male or female, wish to experience the truth. People needs certain illusions and the realisation that we are simply animals conforming to highly predictable patterns of reproduction is a bit much for people.

I strongly agree with that. I think on this specific topic that biology plays a role, but isn't the entire story ( I disagree in some regard to everyone posting on the last two pages ha ha).

But I agree very much that western thought has come to a point where people want to believe something and are willing to accept any sophist argument so long as it doesn't challenge what they want to believe. Nevermind that the arguments themselves don't hold up once one drops the desire to have one side win or the other side lose.

[DomiroXZ]

Stardusk wrote...

I do not believe, based on my experience, that people, either male or female, wish to experience the truth. People needs certain illusions and the realisation that we are simply animals conforming to highly predictable patterns of reproduction is a bit much for people.

Once you've set the first step to a 'truth', aborting whatever notion you held before this one, something vanishes. It's as if all your previous actions didn't matter, but this is foolish; all your previous notions led you to the one you hold now and are therefor invaluable.

Sure, much of what you held dear suddenly holds no or little meaning. Yet at the same time it's a certain kind of freedom, knowing that very little is held in bounds and much of it to discover anew.

[CitizenThom]

golden24ersa wrote...

ifyoureallyknew wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Girls don't play video games.

Yes I'm a girl

Yes I play video games

ironically, THQ filed for bankruptcy like.. yesterday...

I wonder why???

Actually...my daughter would love that game, and I'd totally buy it for her.

My god daughter love it:) She is 4:)

My sister enjoyed the Conan game released a couple years ago, in part because she thought the tongue-in-cheek half naked damsels in distress was just that, tongue-in-cheek. Until more female gamers are like my sister though... you're going to keep getting Barbie games ha ha ha.

[TeamLexana]

Uh Cold wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

Ahh... Why this thread so creepy?

WTF!? Now I'm scared!

Quick! I need a big strong man to protect me and then take me make to his man cave to cook, clean, and have his babies!

.... Wait... Screw that crap. I gots a Krogan Solider with Inferno Grenades and Carnage. I blow this thread to Tuchanka and back. Let's do this!

[OldeGrim]

GT OldeGrim

All females add me for a good time

[Nissun]

golden24ersa wrote...

ifyoureallyknew wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Girls don't play video games.

Yes I'm a girl

Yes I play video games

ironically, THQ filed for bankruptcy like.. yesterday...

I wonder why???

Actually...my daughter would love that game, and I'd totally buy it for her.

My god daughter love it:) She is 4:)

I'd buy my daughters War For Cybertron... whether they like it or not.

Just kidding, let them play whatever they like! Just remember: if they happen to want "Weapon Bullet Explosionmaster 4: Revenge of the KillMurder Baron" for their birthday, there is nothing wrong with that. Or with your boy wanting the Barbie game.

[Holy-Hamster]

This thread is both hilarious and scary at the same time. I'm so confused......

I feel my brain cells evaporating but I just can't stop reading the responses because they're funny.

[lightswitch]

DevilBeast wrote...

Okay, reported the thread.
Maybe one moderater will notice it:S

And sorry OP for the state this thread ended up in:(

It was inevitable. It was...its' destiny.

Modifié par lightswitch, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:27 .

[Cyonan]

CitizenThom wrote...
Next time you spend an hour or two watching TV... try counting the common themes between commercials, how women are typically portrayed, how men are typically portrayed, how kids are typically portrayed, how older folk are portrayed... tell me if you don't see some themes running pretty constant as to how each of these groups are portrayed in commercials. Which characters in commercials are portrayed in the best light, which ones are not? 

The characters portrayed in the best light are expected to be symapthetic to the people that will be purchasing things, right? That would be the point of the ad I imagine. Sure, they could sell some things appealing to a group's sense of inadequacy, but empowerment would seem to be a better way to sell more things given the choice of the two, right?

So who are advertisers kissing up to, and who do they not really care to impress?

I don't need to watch TV to tell you that there will be certain running themes. Advertisers will try to pick out common things among their target market and often play off societal nature.

For example, go on YouTube and look up Japanese commercials. I don't imagine it matters which one all the ones I've seen are a fine enough example. I bet most of the people on these forums would find them really weird, but if things are constant and advertisers are all playing off that, why do we not buy into it? Because it's based on Japanese societal nature.

I need only to look to the past. History shows far too much variance in behaviour based on which society or civilization you pick.

Too many things influence our behaviour from our past experiences to the society we are living in to be able to say "Most men in the world will act like this". We can only say "Most humans will act like this" for certain things.

[Nefla]

Uh disregarding the weirdness of the last few pages. To answer the OP, I'm a woman though people usually think I'm a man based on my maleshep avatar I guess. Of course I'm also assumed to be male in SWTOR general chat where no one can see what my characters look like (mostly male as well but all my chars have made up, mostly gender neutral or female names) I guess they think women don't actually play games.

[Cyonan]

Nefla wrote...

Uh disregarding the weirdness of the last few pages. To answer the OP, I'm a woman though people usually think I'm a man based on my maleshep avatar I guess. Of course I'm also assumed to be male in SWTOR general chat where no one can see what my characters look like (mostly male as well but all my chars have made up, mostly gender neutral or female names) I guess they think women don't actually play games.

In my experience most people on an MMO will assume you're a guy until otherwise told.

Though I still run into some on occasion that will come to their own conclussions after talking with you which are often wrong and become very awkward for them in about 15 minutes.

[Nissun]

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

[Kenadian]

Nissun wrote...

golden24ersa wrote...

ifyoureallyknew wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Girls don't play video games.

Yes I'm a girl

Yes I play video games

ironically, THQ filed for bankruptcy like.. yesterday...

I wonder why???

Actually...my daughter would love that game, and I'd totally buy it for her.

My god daughter love it:) She is 4:)

I'd buy my daughters War For Cybertron... whether they like it or not.

Just kidding, let them play whatever they like! Just remember: if they happen to want "Weapon Bullet Explosionmaster 4: Revenge of the KillMurder Baron" for their birthday, there is nothing wrong with that. Or with your boy wanting the Barbie game.

There is very much something wrong with a boy, or a girl, wanting any Barbie game. Barbie games are the spawn of ****ing Satan.

[CitizenThom]

Cyonan wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...
Next time you spend an hour or two watching TV... try counting the common themes between commercials, how women are typically portrayed, how men are typically portrayed, how kids are typically portrayed, how older folk are portrayed... tell me if you don't see some themes running pretty constant as to how each of these groups are portrayed in commercials. Which characters in commercials are portrayed in the best light, which ones are not? 

The characters portrayed in the best light are expected to be symapthetic to the people that will be purchasing things, right? That would be the point of the ad I imagine. Sure, they could sell some things appealing to a group's sense of inadequacy, but empowerment would seem to be a better way to sell more things given the choice of the two, right?

So who are advertisers kissing up to, and who do they not really care to impress?

I don't need to watch TV to tell you that there will be certain running themes. Advertisers will try to pick out common things among their target market and often play off societal nature.

For example, go on YouTube and look up Japanese commercials. I don't imagine it matters which one all the ones I've seen are a fine enough example. I bet most of the people on these forums would find them really weird, but if things are constant and advertisers are all playing off that, why do we not buy into it? Because it's based on Japanese societal nature.

I need only to look to the past. History shows far too much variance in behaviour based on which society or civilization you pick.

Too many things influence our behaviour from our past experiences to the society we are living in to be able to say "Most men in the world will act like this". We can only say "Most humans will act like this" for certain things.

I'm pretty sure that Japanese commercials and Chinese commercials have themes in common with American and European commercials. It's probably more obvious in American and European commercials, and more tactfully understated in Japanese and Chinese commercials... but still the same themes.

[Kenadian]

CitizenThom wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...
Next time you spend an hour or two watching TV... try counting the common themes between commercials, how women are typically portrayed, how men are typically portrayed, how kids are typically portrayed, how older folk are portrayed... tell me if you don't see some themes running pretty constant as to how each of these groups are portrayed in commercials. Which characters in commercials are portrayed in the best light, which ones are not? 

The characters portrayed in the best light are expected to be symapthetic to the people that will be purchasing things, right? That would be the point of the ad I imagine. Sure, they could sell some things appealing to a group's sense of inadequacy, but empowerment would seem to be a better way to sell more things given the choice of the two, right?

So who are advertisers kissing up to, and who do they not really care to impress?

I don't need to watch TV to tell you that there will be certain running themes. Advertisers will try to pick out common things among their target market and often play off societal nature.

For example, go on YouTube and look up Japanese commercials. I don't imagine it matters which one all the ones I've seen are a fine enough example. I bet most of the people on these forums would find them really weird, but if things are constant and advertisers are all playing off that, why do we not buy into it? Because it's based on Japanese societal nature.

I need only to look to the past. History shows far too much variance in behaviour based on which society or civilization you pick.

Too many things influence our behaviour from our past experiences to the society we are living in to be able to say "Most men in the world will act like this". We can only say "Most humans will act like this" for certain things.

I'm pretty sure that Japanese commercials and Chinese commercials have themes in common with American and European commercials. It's probably more obvious in American and European commercials, and more tactfully understated in Japanese and Chinese commercials... but still the same themes.

To an extent. A lot of what is considered beautiful is drawn from Western models. However, we don't idealize "rounder" or "bigger" eyes. That's a thing for some people in East Asian countries, it definitely isn't explicit in America.

[CitizenThom]

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

[Stardusk]

CitizenThom wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...
Next time you spend an hour or two watching TV... try counting the common themes between commercials, how women are typically portrayed, how men are typically portrayed, how kids are typically portrayed, how older folk are portrayed... tell me if you don't see some themes running pretty constant as to how each of these groups are portrayed in commercials. Which characters in commercials are portrayed in the best light, which ones are not? 

The characters portrayed in the best light are expected to be symapthetic to the people that will be purchasing things, right? That would be the point of the ad I imagine. Sure, they could sell some things appealing to a group's sense of inadequacy, but empowerment would seem to be a better way to sell more things given the choice of the two, right?

So who are advertisers kissing up to, and who do they not really care to impress?

I don't need to watch TV to tell you that there will be certain running themes. Advertisers will try to pick out common things among their target market and often play off societal nature.

For example, go on YouTube and look up Japanese commercials. I don't imagine it matters which one all the ones I've seen are a fine enough example. I bet most of the people on these forums would find them really weird, but if things are constant and advertisers are all playing off that, why do we not buy into it? Because it's based on Japanese societal nature.

I need only to look to the past. History shows far too much variance in behaviour based on which society or civilization you pick.

Too many things influence our behaviour from our past experiences to the society we are living in to be able to say "Most men in the world will act like this". We can only say "Most humans will act like this" for certain things.

I'm pretty sure that Japanese commercials and Chinese commercials have themes in common with American and European commercials. It's probably more obvious in American and European commercials, and more tactfully understated in Japanese and Chinese commercials... but still the same themes.

Well, we all know what the largest consumer demographic is worldwide...now don't we.

[CitizenThom]

Kenadian wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

<snip>
I'm pretty sure that Japanese commercials and Chinese commercials have themes in common with American and European commercials. It's probably more obvious in American and European commercials, and more tactfully understated in Japanese and Chinese commercials... but still the same themes.

To an extent. A lot of what is considered beautiful is drawn from Western models. However, we don't idealize "rounder" or "bigger" eyes. That's a thing for some people in East Asian countries, it definitely isn't explicit in America.

Fair point. The aesthetics I'm sure are varied from region to region, let alone culture to culture. But I think universally advertisers perceive one group as the primary pusher for purchases, and that is who they try to empower towards making more purchases. The methodology may be different, but the target audience is the same.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[DomiroXZ]

I've worked in the automotive industry and I am interested in advertisement.

These commercials will often have a theme correlating to what segment the displayed car belongs to and it's accross all brands.


And one you'll see in EVERY country; size innuendos. Yeah, THAT size.