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[Kenadian]

Stardusk wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...
Next time you spend an hour or two watching TV... try counting the common themes between commercials, how women are typically portrayed, how men are typically portrayed, how kids are typically portrayed, how older folk are portrayed... tell me if you don't see some themes running pretty constant as to how each of these groups are portrayed in commercials. Which characters in commercials are portrayed in the best light, which ones are not? 

The characters portrayed in the best light are expected to be symapthetic to the people that will be purchasing things, right? That would be the point of the ad I imagine. Sure, they could sell some things appealing to a group's sense of inadequacy, but empowerment would seem to be a better way to sell more things given the choice of the two, right?

So who are advertisers kissing up to, and who do they not really care to impress?

I don't need to watch TV to tell you that there will be certain running themes. Advertisers will try to pick out common things among their target market and often play off societal nature.

For example, go on YouTube and look up Japanese commercials. I don't imagine it matters which one all the ones I've seen are a fine enough example. I bet most of the people on these forums would find them really weird, but if things are constant and advertisers are all playing off that, why do we not buy into it? Because it's based on Japanese societal nature.

I need only to look to the past. History shows far too much variance in behaviour based on which society or civilization you pick.

Too many things influence our behaviour from our past experiences to the society we are living in to be able to say "Most men in the world will act like this". We can only say "Most humans will act like this" for certain things.

I'm pretty sure that Japanese commercials and Chinese commercials have themes in common with American and European commercials. It's probably more obvious in American and European commercials, and more tactfully understated in Japanese and Chinese commercials... but still the same themes.

Well, we all know what the largest consumer demographic is worldwide...now don't we.

My generation?

http://elitechoice.o...-luxury-brands/

[Lord Thornos]

Shia Luck wrote...

2: Also post at least one sexist joke that the dinosaurs thought was lame. Nothing like starting a flame war by being an offensive wanker and then saying "girls can't take a joke" to show everyone 'YOU'RE A REAL MAN'!

4: If the thread hits 10 pages and has not yet turned into a brofist fest, use any and all means necessary to ensure the thread becomes a gender war.

sexism is funny, you cant take a joke

[Nissun]

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

[Eriseley]

CitizenThom wrote...

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

...oh come on people, you are embarrassing.

[Lord Thornos]

Cyonan wrote...


It is possible to get behavourial universals, but only if your society forces them on people. not because they are biological.

But I'm up for some debating before this gets locked so please, enlighten me.

all babies cry

[megabeast37215]

Nissun wrote...

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

I appreciated them... and the Blonde in the 3rd movie...

[Lord Thornos]

xBUMMx wrote...

Stardusk wrote....

I am more interested as to why you are speechless. I still don't understand. Of course women experience 'romantic love' and do not the idenftify it on the basis of male utility but women select mates that can provide them with a benefit, usually a concrete one.

There are so many examples of why that is just straight up bull****.

yet you dont give any

[Mahrac]

Nissun wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

[Eriseley]

Mahrac wrote...

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

Okay, then the complaint about men being portrayed as idiots in commercials is also moot. They are portrayed that way to appeal to men too, just in different ways.

[Nissun]

Mahrac wrote...

Nissun wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

Oh god how can you be so naive.

They were there so that you could be sexually aroused looking at her. They weren't there for any other f*^*¨Ç reason whatsoever.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Mahrac wrote...

Nissun wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

To be honest, I couldn't take it seriously because I was afraid it was imitation.

[Cyonan]

Lord Thornos wrote...

Cyonan wrote...


It is possible to get behavourial universals, but only if your society forces them on people. not because they are biological.

But I'm up for some debating before this gets locked so please, enlighten me.

all babies cry

All humans communicate.

but that hardly means it's a gender specific thing, which is what I'm arguing against.

[CitizenThom]

Nissun wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

I didn't realise there were as many buttshots as there was a cleavage shot. Nonetheless, the movie wasn't selling you anything. I doubt females were the target audience of Transformers. That being said, the whole line of 'the girl' being a bigger prize than 'saving the world' yes, that was likely there to appeal to your vanity.

(the last part is not an honest accusation of you're being vain, even if you think this song is about you, don't you, don't you?)

Try an example from a commercial. It's more pertinent to what's being discussed. Victoria Secret commercials are not there to get women to buy things for men, but to get men to buy things for women.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[Mahrac]

Eriseley wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

Okay, then the complaint about men being portrayed as idiots in commercials is also moot. They are portrayed that way to appeal to men too, just in different ways.

Women like stupid men? well, guess I'm ****ed

[Happy Shepard]

My opinion: Society has an increasingly feminine influence on men. Thus men behaving like women and therefore blaming others for their problems and insecurities.

I hope i offended both genders.

[CitizenThom]

Nissun wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

Oh god how can you be so naive.

They were there so that you could be sexually aroused looking at her. They weren't there for any other f*^*¨Ç reason whatsoever.

Her eyes are more enticing than her tail. I don't recall her having all that interesting of a tail.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[Deerber]

Nissun wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

What, now you need a reason to expose a piece of art like that to the world? 

[Mahrac]

Nissun wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

Nissun wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

Oh god how can you be so naive.

They were there so that you could be sexually aroused looking at her. They weren't there for any other f*^*¨Ç reason whatsoever.

I'll agree with the first point. I'll plead the 'I'm not the director, so I can't honestly respond' to the second.

Modifié par Mahrac, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:53 .

[Shia Luck]

Lord Thornos wrote...

Shia Luck wrote...

2:
Also post at least one sexist joke that the dinosaurs thought was lame.
Nothing like starting a flame war by being an offensive wanker and then
saying "girls can't take a joke" to show everyone 'YOU'RE A REAL MAN'!

4:
If the thread hits 10 pages and has not yet turned into a brofist fest,
use any and all means necessary to ensure the thread becomes a gender
war.

sexism is funny, you cant take a joke

You could at least quote the whole thing...

Shia Luck wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

soulstriker09 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
guilty of mistaking me for a girl

It's the Tali avatar, isn't it?

haha yeah, plus the way you post. 

I have been told that the way I type makes it seem like I'm a girl.

I'm also told that I'm a rather weird person IRL, so it's all probably just par for the course really.

Yip, you've got to stop typing with your (man) boobs. It's a dead giveaway and leads to typos. Type with your dick instead. It's got to be easier to make sure you only hit one key at a time. :innocent:   Alternatively, use the following advice.

Ways to make sure people realise you're a REAL MAN:

1: In any thread mentioning girls, females, women or femshep: spam post off topic crap to get it derailed. No self respecting epeen would let a few girls have a conversation without egotestically interrupting them.

2: Also post at least one sexist joke that the dinosaurs thought was lame. Nothing like starting a flame war by being an offensive wanker and then saying "girls can't take a joke" to show everyone 'YOU'RE A REAL MAN'!

3: If the thread is requesting something that begins with "fem" ensure you say "NO" even if you have no reason, no brain, and couldn't actually give a flying f*ck in the first place.

4: If the thread hits 10 pages and has not yet turned into a brofist fest, use any and all means necessary to ensure the thread becomes a gender war.

There's an example or two in this thread already, but once the Americans wake up, this thread'll hit 20 pages of off topic BS no problem.


/sarcasm :innocent:


Tho while I have your attention Cyonan, thanks for all the work you do for the community. You're one of the reasons to visit BSN.  

OT: I occasionally post and even started a thread once! It was a nice simple thread and went to 16 pages without a single epeen or idiotic comment. I think that's an achievement on BSN.

Have fun

EDIT: I see my rules are somewhat outdated. 7 pages seems to be the limit, not 10.

It's not like I was wrong is it? I just underestimated how mad it would all get. As Stardusk would say: You can't take the truth.

kaileena_sands wrote...

 This thread needs more of this picture:



And also, again some Lindsay Sterling for a soothing athmosphere:

I am not sure even Lindsay can save us now. This is the only hope we have

Have fun

Modifié par Shia Luck, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:54 .

[CitizenThom]

Happy Shepard wrote...

My opinion: Society has an increasingly feminine influence on men. Thus men behaving like women and therefore blaming others for their problems and insecurities.

I hope i offended both genders.

Well done!

We should all get offended until we can't get offended unless it's really something worth being offended about. The things people get offended about these days are so inocuous it's ridiculous.

[xBUMMx]

Now this has just turned pathetic. Why haven't we just given up? Let these people have their strange conversations, there's obviously no way to argue with them.

[Nissun]

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So all of these naked women all around the media are pandering... to women audiences. Because they're empowering™.

Vanity is empowering in it's own way, yes. Is it a 'good' empowerment? An 'effective' one? That all depends.

Wow, so all these gratuituous shots of Megan Fox's butt in that giant robot movie were put there to pander to me?

I didn't realise there were as many buttshots as there was a cleavage shot. Nonetheless, the movie wasn't selling you anything. I doubt females were the target audience of Transformers. That being said, the whole line of 'the girl' being a bigger prize than 'saving the world' yes, that was likely there to appeal to your vanity.

(the last part is not an honest accusation of you're being vain, even if you think this song is about you, don't you, don't you?)

Try an example from a commercial. It's more pertinent to what's being discussed. Victoria Secret commercials are not there to get women to buy things for men, but to get men to buy things for women.

That's lingerie. Transformers was a movie about giant robots.

And how the hell is Megan Fox's character appealing to my, or any woman's vanity? She's a freaking joke! She's just a sexy model on which Michael Bay glued some traits like "she's a mechanic" and... "action chick" or whatever, I don't remember her that well.

I celebrate that she's not passive, like so many female characters in hollywood used to be. But that does not compensate for the fact that, first and foremost, she is a sexual thing. The most important thing about her, it's that she's sexy. All the rest comes after that.

It's the reason female politicians have their appearance judged, despite the fact that they are not freaking meant to appeal to anyone's eyes. But society does this, men and women, because it's ingrained in our minds that, even if her job does not call for it, a woman has to be sexually attractive.

[BjornDaDwarf]

Cyonan wrote...

All humans communicate.

Not on the BSN they don't...

[Mahrac]

CitizenThom wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

My opinion: Society has an increasingly feminine influence on men. Thus men behaving like women and therefore blaming others for their problems and insecurities.

I hope i offended both genders.

Well done!

We should all get offended until we can't get offended unless it's really something worth being offended about. The things people get offended about these days are so inocuous it's ridiculous.

I'm offended that you think that I'm easily offended. And I'm not easy to offend.

Also, what abuot the masculine influence on women? They're getting more stubborn and less likely to admit when they need help.

[CitizenThom]

Eriseley wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

They were there to pander to everyone. Just in different ways.

Okay, then the complaint about men being portrayed as idiots in commercials is also moot. They are portrayed that way to appeal to men too, just in different ways.

Ahhh... good this ground was covered already.

1. The reason men are portrayed as stupid is to make women feel like they should be more demanding of their men to make more purchases.

2. The reason men are portrayed as stupid is to make men feel like they should be more receptive to those demands.

It's different ways, but to the same end... 'Let the womenz get more stuffs you stoopid man!'