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[Swan Killer]

RaptorSolutions wrote...

tivesz wrote...

Use gear and consumables.
Abuse soft cover/right hand advantage as much as possibble.
Learn to prioritize your targets, don't start working on a Praetorian or a Prime, when Captains and Pyros rushing at you.
Don't stand at one place, with a good team, you can always keep the enemy on the move, kite them around and fight them where most convinient for you.
Use medi-gel, when you go down in a stiuation, where you'd put your teammates in risk by reviving you. And never let yourself bleed out if you have medi-gel left, unless it's like REALLY the end of the wave.
Pretty much that's it, just right top off my head.

I disagree on never letting yourself bleed out, if its still earlier non-objective waves and most of the team is not down, I wouldn't gel yet. Most of the time I do that it bites me in the ass when I run out of gels on wave 10 objectives.

Ah well, you'll eventually get a good feel on when you should gel and when you shouldn't.

Anyway, I do want to emphasize that you should never ever bleed out on objective waves. Its both rude and also potentially cost you the match.

Well, it's different if you play with friends, that you know their capabilites and if they can finish off the remaining stuff on that wave. But with PUGs, I probably won't gel in wave 1-2, but above I would never trust any PUG with all my consumables on. So yeah, it's kinda situational.

[Creator Limbs]

Computron2000 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

hostaman wrote...
1. You need to max the potential of your character, By ensuring you're at a high level and adding the best consumables and kit you have.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. You can take on gold with four level ones, it is dependent on your ability to be aware of your surroundings and picking your battles.

No, the person you quoted is right. The OP is new to gold and telling a newbie to take on gold with a level 1 naked is as dumb as it sounds. Advice is always tailored to who you're responding to.

Being new to gold does not affect your effectiveness at level 1. Level is merely a crutch.

Modifié par prostheticlimbs, 22 décembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[Computron2000]

Simon_Wryly wrote...

I've been working my way through Silver trying to gear up / skill up to play Gold. I'm a pretty solid Silver player but nowhere near ready for Gold yet (I tried it - I sucked), but I had a couple questions that will help me prepare for when I am ready to take the leap:

#1. In Silver (and Bronze, of course) it seems like everyone just shoots everything regardless of whether someone else was just about to kill it or not. I'm guilty of poaching too, which means patience and prioritized target selection are some things I have to work on. But before I put too much effort into it, I want to make sure it's worth my while. Are these skills regularly employed in Gold or is it just more of the same "shoot everything" mentality?

#2. I've been playing a lot of hours today and I've scored as high as 91,000-ish and as low as about 27,000-ish. But in both cases, I walked away with approximately 30-35.000 credits (I think). So I was wondering if I just didn't notice the amount difference between the two or if it just really doesn't matter all that much where you place on the board? And if it doesn't really matter all that much, isn't that just one more reason to hang back and pick better targets? Because you're gonna get about the same credits anyway, give or take. Right?

Thanks, and happy holidays 

For #1, just shoot everything on gold. A person who cannot handle a build that requires kills such as rage focussed krogans or bloodlust vorcha has made a choice. A poor one but still one made by that player and thus its on his/her head. If you're a kind hearted soul or feeling generous, then feel free to let them have the kills after you shoot down the enemy's shields and health/armor to half or below.

Also you'll have much less luxury of time and consideration once the late waves start with all the tanky units

For #2, it has already been answered but it bears repeating that the main adjustment is how fast the objective is done. Also whether someone else extracts or not is not important for your credit amount, only that you extract alive. If you fall down in the last 5 seconds and want the extract bonus, hit your medigel then immediately dodge while remaining in the LZ, it sometimes registers as you being up, depending on lag

[ElementL09]

If you playing with Krogan on Vorcha, its probably best you don't take/poach there kill as they have Bloodlust and Rage.

[Computron2000]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

hostaman wrote...
1. You need to max the potential of your character, By ensuring you're at a high level and adding the best consumables and kit you have.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. You can take on gold with four level ones, it is dependent on your ability to be aware of your surroundings and picking your battles.

No, the person you quoted is right. The OP is new to gold and telling a newbie to take on gold with a level 1 naked is as dumb as it sounds. Advice is always tailored to who you're responding to.

Being new to gold does not affect your effectiveness at level 1. Level is merely a crutch.

Congrats this is the dumbest attempt to sound "badass" and cover a lousy argument i've heard in sometime. I don't even need to explain why

[Swan Killer]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

hostaman wrote...
1. You need to max the potential of your character, By ensuring you're at a high level and adding the best consumables and kit you have.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. You can take on gold with four level ones, it is dependent on your ability to be aware of your surroundings and picking your battles.

No, the person you quoted is right. The OP is new to gold and telling a newbie to take on gold with a level 1 naked is as dumb as it sounds. Advice is always tailored to who you're responding to.

Being new to gold does not affect your effectiveness at level 1. Level is merely a crutch.

You're talking about elite players, of course it is possible to finish gold or plat with a level 1 character for a low percentage of the player base, but an avarage (new to the difficulty) player will need good survivability, and full or high damage output potential to be succesful. Otherwise all he'll do just give shiny revival medals to the other teammates and score low = gets kicked. 

Modifié par tivesz, 22 décembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[Creator Limbs]

Computron2000 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

hostaman wrote...
1. You need to max the potential of your character, By ensuring you're at a high level and adding the best consumables and kit you have.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. You can take on gold with four level ones, it is dependent on your ability to be aware of your surroundings and picking your battles.

No, the person you quoted is right. The OP is new to gold and telling a newbie to take on gold with a level 1 naked is as dumb as it sounds. Advice is always tailored to who you're responding to.

Being new to gold does not affect your effectiveness at level 1. Level is merely a crutch.

Congrats this is the dumbest attempt to sound "badass" and cover a lousy argument i've heard in sometime. I don't even need to explain why

Oh you caught me, this was all a clever showing of epeen. Ridiculous.

[Grammaton Dryad]

Guys don't let this turn into a flame war.

Although prostheticlimbs is "technically" correct, his advice is terrible within the context the OP is asking. Advice should definitely be catered to the person you're giving it to.

You should not be telling someone who isn't comfortable with gold to use a level 1. The "crutch" is simply scaffolding that allows the player to achieve victory.

You may be a cyclist that does marathons and such, but telling someone who's never ridden a bike that training wheels are a crutch is pretty uncool. Everyone starts somewhere.


@ OP: Use much of the advice here, most of it is quite good. If you do not feel comfortable doing something, then don't (you may just not be ready for it yet), especially when transitioning difficulties. You should still definitely try risky things and get outside of your comfort zone occasionally though, it's where most of the learning/growth happens.

[Creator Limbs]

You're implying that I am telling the OP to use a level one when I never said any such thing, I merely stated that gold could be done with a level one character.

[ABjerre]

Simon_Wryly wrote...
I've been working my way through Silver trying to gear up / skill up to play Gold. I'm a pretty solid Silver player but nowhere near ready for Gold yet (I tried it - I sucked)...

hostaman wrote...
1. You need to max the potential of your character, By ensuring you're at a high level and adding the best consumables and kit you have.

prostheticlimbs wrote...
I'm going to have to disagree with this. You can take on gold with four level ones, it is dependent on your ability to be aware of your surroundings and picking your battles.

prostheticlimbs wrote...
Being new to gold does not affect your effectiveness at level 1. Level is merely a crutch.

prostheticlimbs wrote...
Oh you caught me, this was all a clever showing of epeen. Ridiculous.

I'll agree with you that you are rediculous, but thats about it. Maybe putting things into context makes it a bit more obvious how rediculous you are being. The OP states that he usually plays silver and have not fared well on gold so far. Thus, he is asking for advice.

As a response, someone comes in and tells him that maxing his potential through having a high level character and using consumeables is a good idea.

Then you come in and tell him that level doesn't matter. Not one bit.

Are you serious? Because you sound a lot like you are arguing that a new player can fare just as well on gold with a level 1 as he can with a level 20...

Modifié par ABjerre, 22 décembre 2012 - 12:20 .

[ABjerre]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

You're implying that I am telling the OP to use a level one when I never said any such thing, I merely stated that gold could be done with a level one character.

In the context you "merely stated" that in, it sounds a lot like you were saying exactly that "level doesn't matter, it is merely a crutch for bad players and a new player can do just as well with a level 1 as he can with a level 20 on a difficulty that he so far haven't had too much success on."

You should consider your words more carefully, otherwise people are going to misunderstand you a lot.

Modifié par ABjerre, 22 décembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[Koenig888]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Being new to gold does not affect your effectiveness at level 1. Level is merely a crutch.

:lol::lol:

[R0binME]

Points doesn't matter much, you do the objective and help your team survive to extraction, then you have done your part.
Like evertone have said; Prioritze targets. Kill the banshee teleporting into your camping spot before the slow moving husk does. Or kite around the banshee(s) untill the waves budget has runned out and kill the banshee(prevents more banshees from spawning).
Don't be afraid to use consumables, even if you use all. You will get 70k-80k for wave 10, the credits spent on consumables is worth the little extra experience.
But use them with care, don't missle a banshee in the start of the wave, she will respawn, or don't use medi gel when you have team mates around and no/few enemies.
Build up your uncommon(if not maxed yet)/rare manifest.

[R0binME]

Computron2000 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

hostaman wrote...
1. You need to max the potential of your character, By ensuring you're at a high level and adding the best consumables and kit you have.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. You can take on gold with four level ones, it is dependent on your ability to be aware of your surroundings and picking your battles.

No, the person you quoted is right. The OP is new to gold and telling a newbie to take on gold with a level 1 naked is as dumb as it sounds. Advice is always tailored to who you're responding to.

Being new to gold does not affect your effectiveness at level 1. Level is merely a crutch.

Congrats this is the dumbest attempt to sound "badass" and cover a lousy argument i've heard in sometime. I don't even need to explain why

[Simon_Wryly]

I understand both the concept and the context: You're only as good as your tools, and your tools are only as good as your skill at using them. I get that an elite player could finish gold with a level 1, I'm just not clear on why you'd want to make it that much harder on yourself.

[Creator Limbs]

Yes, yes, yes, do go on.

@Simon - I see you play on the ps3, if you'd like I can play a few with you. PSN is the exact same.

Modifié par prostheticlimbs, 22 décembre 2012 - 12:37 .

[Lovaas]

Simon_Wryly wrote...

I understand both the concept and the context: You're only as good as your tools, and your tools are only as good as your skill at using them. I get that an elite player could finish gold with a level 1, I'm just not clear on why you'd want to make it that much harder on yourself.

Deep seated elitist superiority complex. Otherwise known as epeen.

[LC-Manalishi]

I would say most of the "good" advice everyone else already gave. Just to prioritize, I would say you should use consumables, particularly those that boost shields if you are squishy, participate in all objectives rather than trying to lead the scoreboard, and, most importantly, be aware of what's going on around you. Most players tend to concentrate on the bosses, but in gold, that can be death. Not from the bosses, but from not being aware that there are a couple of Marauders/Centurions/Captains/Phantoms/Dragoons or whatever firing at your back. You will die quickly on gold if you don't make use of cover or let mooks shoot you when you have tunnel vision on a boss.

[Stinja]

As said #2 score is irrelevant, except fast times = more credits for everyone.
If its clear, it's almost always better to run to the objectives and do those first, don't get hung up on killing enemies you don't need to, as they'll just respawn until the objective is complete: then kill them all.

Personal extraction = more credits for you.
If you get downed, try to have at least six seconds to get up, otherwise it may not register if you're still in the standing-up animation, and you waste a gel for no bonus credits.

#1 only two races benefit from getting the actual killing blow kill: vorcha (bloodlust, which is health regen and essential), and krogan (rage, which gives damage resistance, and hence more survivability). If its one on one, it is better FOR YOU to let them kill it. If they are surrounded, helping out is probably better.

On gold+ you want to put down enemies fast. DPS is better than a RPGing themed, but inefficient build.
On that note killing an enemy quickly is better, than two people killing one enemy each in twice the time. It's much safer for two people to put down one enemy, then the next together.
If someone is finishing an enemy easily, it's better to leave them to it, and scan your flanks than get in a kill for 300 points (irrelevant score, you might get jumped, waste gel etc).

If its a boss, and three teammates are finishing it, and you're a grenade class low on grenades; let them kill it (score is irrelevant remember), circle the map to fill grenades, so you are ready for the next wave.

But mostly don't obsess too much about gold, the extra credits are nice, but it's better to be good at silver (with good weapons/gear) rather than jumping to gold too early and not contributing enough.

Modifié par Stinja, 22 décembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Road Wulf]

Kill stealing only exists in lower difficulties.

If anything, you actually look forward to other people shooting thing in later difficulties.

Why the lack of caring? In the Lower D's, your EXP gain actually takes into account how much points you get. You have to scratch and fight for your Title Gain points.

In the Higher D's, you should be level 20 and not give a crap about EXP, and your Titles should be flying up in points just by playing because of how much even the Mook enemies are worth.

[Simon_Wryly]

Lovaas wrote...

Simon_Wryly wrote...

I understand both the concept and the context: You're only as good as your tools, and your tools are only as good as your skill at using them. I get that an elite player could finish gold with a level 1, I'm just not clear on why you'd want to make it that much harder on yourself.

Deep seated elitist superiority complex. Otherwise known as epeen.

[Holy-Hamster]

Tips for Gold

Consumables are very important for gold / plat. If you don't have any rockets, medi-gels, etc get some. They're extremely helpful for someone who's just starting out. Once you get good enough you won't use near as many.  Rockets aim at your target's feet so you don't miss.  OPs Packs are great for using when you just got revived or medi-gel'd to buy you an extra few seconds.  

Stick with the team if you're just learning. Cover their backs and stay nearby for objectives etc.

Don't worry about points as long as you're trying. Kill anything (as long as it's a threat, there are certain instances where a vorcha may be fighting something with a couple of health bars left, in that case you should probably let him kill it), however you need to prioritize targets. If there's a marauder behind your teammate and he doesn't see him, that because target #1. If there's a banshee homing in on someone doing an objective that becomes target #1. You get the idea.

In general though smaller units > boss units. Same the big guys for last unless something goes wrong. Or if you really need to clear out a banshee because she's up in your grill that's fine too.

Have fun. It's a game. Most of us don't care as long as you're trying, and if someone gives you grief for "playing badly" just ignore them.

Modifié par Holy-Hamster, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:58 .

[Anthros]

What not has been mentioned so far:

Learn how powers work together. That is the key especially for those players without high level high DPS weapons.

For example: If there is a Geth-Trooper with a flamer in your squad (which is likely on Gold), and you use a Turian Soldier, you can trigger fire-explosions every 1.x seconds with Concussive Shot. 2 Dragoons and a Phantom are a deadly thread for a lone GT and even more deadly for a lone TS, but easy targets, if you work together.

Explosions and bursts are your best friend if you have no high DPS-Weapons or play on maps with low ammo/nades.

So my advice: learn on silver how the game mechanics work. If you know that off pat, you are ready to step up to gold.
Once you play Gold, constantly watch out for things you can let explode - or set up explosions for your squad members (and for yourself).

Modifié par Anthros, 22 décembre 2012 - 11:17 .