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[Jadebaby]

Seriously, this topic has been discussed so much on the BSN since the ME3 release, and I'm just sick of it!
 
People always keep saying that they want a conventional victory when it just downright wont happen! We've had threads and polls and groups about it, yet the people just don't seem to get it, it.is.impossible! No matter how much you want it, or think you want it, it cannot and will not happen.

Now, before you start raging at me, let me explain why conventional victory is impossible.

First of all, we have the Thannix Cannons, since receiving this technology from Sovereign in ME1 the galaxy (specifically Turians) have reverse engineered this weaponry and applied it to their fighters, and in ME3 they had been continuously developing the technology and started manufacturing "Thannix MIssiles" as well. Proving that they have been improving upon this already powerful technology.

Second of all, we have the Normandy, packed with Reaper tech from Thannix weaponry to the Reaper IFF, not to mention a bunch of other anti-Reaper algorithms to boot. This stealth frigate allows us to travel around the galaxy and fight the Reapers, hosting the most badass of them all, whose very existence is unconventional, Commander Shepard.

Third of all... We have the Geth, now if you saved this race on Rannoch you will notice that in order to do so, they have to upload Reaper code, this is not only to improve their own way of life, but to also help them become individualistic entities which, in turn, helps them become better soldiers. So if you saved the Geth on Rannoch, you now have a Legion of Synthetic forces willing to help fight for you in this war. This also means that they are now, yes that's right, and unconventional ally.

So let's stop whining about a conventional victory please, and let's start fighting for an unconventionally victory!

[JPN17]

Thanks Admiral Hackett




Edit: Also I do want to say that it kind of bothered me that the thanix cannon was supposed to be commonplace after it was reverse engineered from Sovereign (at least that's the impression I got) yet I don't recall ever seeing "the good guys" use one in ME3.

Modifié par JPN17, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:05 .

[CrystalXPredator]

I didn't saw any victory in Mass Effect 3. *mimimi shield on*

[77boy84]

but but but hackett said

[Archonsg]

But ... Art!

[nightcobra]

*docks a ton of geth ships to the crucible's side and uses it as a battering ram against the reapers*

it IS a power source...

best.fireworks.ever.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:13 .

[David7204]

These reasons are not really that great.

[Reofeir]

Wait. Your sig states puzzle theory. Puzzle theory is successful refuse, aka conventional victory without use of the crucible right? Did you change opinions recently?

[Jadebaby]

Zenor wrote...

Wait. Your sig states puzzle theory. Puzzle theory is successful refuse, aka conventional victory without use of the crucible right? Did you change opinions recently?

wow....

[Reofeir]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Wait. Your sig states puzzle theory. Puzzle theory is successful refuse, aka conventional victory without use of the crucible right? Did you change opinions recently?

wow....

What is "wow" about that question? If I am wrong of what the puzzle theory actually *is* (as I thought it to be refusing to use the crucible and winning with your assets) then please inform me of what I am wrong. I was also curious that, if my original thought of puzzle theory was right, did you recently change opinions of what you want and instead want a completly new ending or something of the like?

And seeing as you're the creator of the thread you would be the best to reinform me of what the actual puzzle theory is.

Modifié par Zenor, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[xsdob]

JPN17 wrote...

Thanks Admiral Hackett




Edit: Also I do want to say that it kind of bothered me that the thanix cannon was supposed to be commonplace after it was reverse engineered from Sovereign (at least that's the impression I got) yet I don't recall ever seeing "the good guys" use one in ME3.

You see them at the battle of earth, where the reapers actually take casualties. Look at palavan and than at earth, and you'll see the projectiles used by the fleets is different, as is the damage the reapers take.

[Applepie_Svk]

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:32 .

[Jadebaby]

Zenor wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Wait. Your sig states puzzle theory. Puzzle theory is successful refuse, aka conventional victory without use of the crucible right? Did you change opinions recently?

wow....

What is "wow" about that question? If I am wrong of what the puzzle theory actually *is* (as I thought it to be refusing to use the crucible and winning with your assets) then please inform me of what I am wrong. I was also curious that, if my original thought of puzzle theory was right, did you recently change opinions of what you want and instead want a completly new ending or something of the like?

And seeing as you're the creator of the thread you would be the best to reinform me of what the actual puzzle theory is.

I suggest you read through the OP again.

[Reofeir]

/facepalm
My bad then. Again, I should stop reading things when I'm tired. I am sorry for the messup.

Modifié par Zenor, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:34 .

[Jadebaby]

hahaha, that's okay No harm done But you should probably get some sleep, I've been there....

[PnXMarcin1PL]

It was obvious since ME1 that conventional victory against the Reapers is impossible. If it wasn't for Shepard destroying Sovvys avatar, the reaper would have destroyed more of the alliance ships and probably would have managed to let through the other reapers.

[Jadebaby]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

It was obvious since ME1 that conventional victory against the Reapers is impossible. If it wasn't for Shepard destroying Sovvys avatar, the reaper would have destroyed more of the alliance ships and probably would have managed to let through the other reapers.

Yes, that does prove conventional victory is impossible, you're right. But then again, that's no what we want, we want an unconventional victory. One that doesn't use a super weapon however.

[shit's fucked cunts]

I could deal with the Crucible if it wasn't a gigantic "fück you" machine.

[xsdob]

What I don't understand is how you propose your victory.

You've poured your resources into the crucible, made your entire strategy around getting it docked, lost many ships, soliders, and overall your forces have taken a hard beating in order to delay and distract the reapers from attacking the cruible, and you propose just managing to beat them despite this heavy loss...how?

Explain to me what the hell this so called puzzle "theory" is and how exactly you plan on defeating the tens, if not hundreds, of reapers around the earth, and the other planets.

[David7204]

Where is this idea that all of the galaxy's resources have been 'poured' into the Crucible coming from?

[Peranor]

David7204 wrote...

Where is this idea that all of the galaxy's resources have been 'poured' into the Crucible coming from?

From Hackett. I'm sure he said it sometime. And if he says something enought times it becomes the truth. It's an ability he has.

[David7204]

I'm sure he said it would take a lot of resources. Which it would. But I doubt it would be a huge impact compared to the war effort of the rest of the galaxy.

[Jadebaby]

exactly, what David said. The TMS of the War Grid lists the crucible as only a fraction of the resources to the rest of the galaxy...

Also xsdob, the thread is around, you can read up on it there...

[David7204]

You are aware that even if there was a conventional victory, you can't just have Shepard sitting back and letting the fleets do the work? You can't even have Shepard give some heroic speech and then have the fleets pour in and blow up Harbinger or something. Well, you can, but it would be a 9/10 instead of an 11/10. Which is not satisfactory.

There has to be some sort of tipping point. Shepard has to personally and directly cause the battle to swing in the favor of the allied fleets. And it has to be right at the finale. Not before.

That would be tough. I would have to do a lot of research and thinking to come to up something satisfying, I think. Frankly, I'm not very fond of the fight with Saren in ME 1. There have been ideas thrown around here on the forum, but I haven't liked any of them.

Modifié par David7204, 22 décembre 2012 - 11:30 .