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[capn233]

Conventional victory is more than possible if you have the upgraded Geth. At the very least they would be capable of beating the Reapers and surviving, even if all organics managed to get killed in the war.

Reapers need organics as a raw material in addition to energy sources and metals, etc. Geth just need the latter two. Geth themselves are software and can be instantly created. Their platforms do not require the harvesting of organics. With the Reaper upgrades that can't be controlled by the Reapers. Given enough time they would beat them in a war of attrition, especially if they decided to destroy all organics in order to deny them to the Reapers.

Not the allied force victory people are hoping for, but more than possible. And the fun thing is that if it occurred it would prove the Catalyst right. Which is what should happen in "Refuse" with upgraded Geth.

[The Spamming Troll]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Yes, it is impossible.

i think you mean improbable.

[fiendishchicken]

All my N7 assets have to be worth something though!

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[Twinzam.V]

fiendishchicken wrote...

All my N7 assets have to be worth something though!

........Cannon fodder probably? 

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:37 .

[The Spamming Troll]

fiendishchicken wrote...

All my N7 assets have to be worth something though!

theres probably something about it on twitter though!

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Yes jade. You are right again.

[fiendishchicken]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

All my N7 assets have to be worth something though!

theres probably something about it on twitter though!

Why did they even think that was a good idea?

My N7 assets are worth over 8000 alone (A lot of Premium Spectre Packs and Platinum) They could fight the entire war on their own.

But no they had to die fighting a Harvester on twitter.

[MegaSovereign]

My N7 team of Volus Sentinels is worth more than the Krogan ground troops.

Yea...I hope they don't try to tie in MP with SP again in future ME games.

[fiendishchicken]

MegaSovereign wrote...

My N7 team of Volus Sentinels is worth more than the Krogan ground troops.

Yea...I hope they don't try to tie in MP with SP again in future ME games.

What did you expect? They're Biotic God's afterall.

[Twinzam.V]

fiendishchicken wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

All my N7 assets have to be worth something though!

theres probably something about it on twitter though!

Why did they even think that was a good idea?

My N7 assets are worth over 8000 alone (A lot of Premium Spectre Packs and Platinum) They could fight the entire war on their own.

But no they had to die fighting a Harvester on twitter.

If it's any consolation that fight was epic. You just didnt get to see it. 

[The Spamming Troll]

MegaSovereign wrote...

My N7 team of Volus Sentinels is worth more than the Krogan ground troops.

Yea...I hope they don't try to tie in MP with SP again in future ME games.

you can only underestimate niftu cal once.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:52 .

[dorktainian]

how is conventional victory impossible? the collectors can have a base located on the event horizon of a black hole - possible? Cerberus resurrected shepard - even tho he was plantary re-entry pizza - possible? Hackett knew the only way to stop the reapers was to turn the citadel into a massive gun to stop the reapers destroying the relays by us destroying the relays instead - possible?

[Fixers0]

Heretic!

[EnvyTB075]

xsdob wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

You see them at the battle of earth, where the reapers actually take casualties. Look at palavan and than at earth, and you'll see the projectiles used by the fleets is different, as is the damage the reapers take.

Those are not Thanix weapons.

Yes they are. The projectiles fired are clearly different from the ones used at palavan.

This is a Thanix cannon firing.



Those were NOT Thanix weapons. And no, those projectiles were exactly the same.

[Sejborg]

Archonsg wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Conventional or unconventional the game disagrees with you. It can't be done.

You mean the writers and the script don't you?
Scripts *can* change. Just need ti be written so.
Given how bad and nonsensical the ending is now, its not like it'll take a leap of faith to write in a decent "refusal victory".

Then, ... There's "Art".

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

Modifié par Sejborg, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[Jadebaby]

xsdob wrote...

So I've read the puzzle theory, and it seems interesting. However, one dlc that goes against your idea and this whole thing falls to pieces, since most of it is connected with very thin and questionable strings of what boarders conspiracy theory logic.

Does operation prophecy fit into this? As well as the unannounced multiplayer reckoning dlc being released later on after or maybe before this new big dlc gets released? Also why wasn't retaliation on the dlc list?

I got lazy *shrug*

Plus I didn't see enough of a connection, as you said, a lot of it is very thing and questionable strings. Plus no one else had any ideas of how they could relate. my thought of it though is that they appeared in the SP canon some time before the Miracle of Palaven.

dorktainian wrote...

how is conventional victory impossible? the collectors can have a base located on the event horizon of a black hole - possible? Cerberus resurrected shepard - even tho he was plantary re-entry pizza - possible? Hackett knew the only way to stop the reapers was to turn the citadel into a massive gun to stop the reapers destroying the relays by us destroying the relays instead - possible?

Re-read the OP... (I feel like a lot of people are missing the twist at play here...)

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it.

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb.

How about Bioware deliver to us a way to win conventionally that isnt wholey dumb (and when I say dumb, I’m referring to the *ahem* ‘quality’ of our current ending)?

Exactly, Sejborg, at least in that ending the Reaper could still be the Goliath enemy. That's the question, what would cheapen the Reapers more, a massive underdog win, or... What we got?

[The Spamming Troll]

Sejborg wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Conventional or unconventional the game disagrees with you. It can't be done.

You mean the writers and the script don't you?
Scripts *can* change. Just need ti be written so.
Given how bad and nonsensical the ending is now, its not like it'll take a leap of faith to write in a decent "refusal victory".

Then, ... There's "Art".

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

what we currently have, isnt dumb???

if the reapers were beaten via galactic readiness we wouldnt be in this situation. wed all still be playing ME3. i wholeheartedly believe that.

[Sejborg]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Conventional or unconventional the game disagrees with you. It can't be done.

You mean the writers and the script don't you?
Scripts *can* change. Just need ti be written so.
Given how bad and nonsensical the ending is now, its not like it'll take a leap of faith to write in a decent "refusal victory".

Then, ... There's "Art".

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

what we currently have, isnt dumb???

if the reapers were beaten via galactic readiness we wouldnt be in this situation. wed all still be playing ME3. i wholeheartedly believe that.

Being able to beat the reapers simply by gathering allies is dumb as ****. You want me to believe that no other of the prior cycles was able to do that? Being on the brink of utter destruction and still don't find a common ground against the end all enemy? Come on. I would have been extremely dissapointed if the end turned everything into fairytale like some people want. 

Victory had to come from something else, considering the lore. But to each their own. 

[Sejborg]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

How about Bioware deliver to us a way to win conventionally that isnt wholey dumb (and when I say dumb, I’m referring to the *ahem* ‘quality’ of our current ending)?

Winning conventionally is a fairy tale. I wouldn't like that. 

[Twinzam.V]

Sejborg wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Conventional or unconventional the game disagrees with you. It can't be done.

You mean the writers and the script don't you?
Scripts *can* change. Just need ti be written so.
Given how bad and nonsensical the ending is now, its not like it'll take a leap of faith to write in a decent "refusal victory".

Then, ... There's "Art".

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

Then History is pretty dumb. 
History destroyer of dreams of conquest because is dumb. 

PS. A god intervention in sci-fi however isnt if its an energy wave. 

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[AlanC9]

capn233 wrote...
Reapers need organics as a raw material in addition to energy sources and metals, etc. Geth just need the latter two. Geth themselves are software and can be instantly created. Their platforms do not require the harvesting of organics. With the Reaper upgrades that can't be controlled by the Reapers. Given enough time they would beat them in a war of attrition, especially if they decided to destroy all organics in order to deny them to the Reapers.

Assuming you can produce geth forever in some hidden location that the Reapers can't ever find and destroy. What makes you think the geth can do that?