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[Sejborg]

Twinzam.V wrote...
PS. A god intervention in sci-fi however isnt if its an energy wave. 

I agree. Hyperion does this pretty damn good. 

[Jadebaby]

Sejborg wrote...
Being able to beat the reapers simply by gathering allies is dumb as ****. You want me to believe that no other of the prior cycles was able to do that? Being on the brink of utter destruction and still don't find a common ground against the end all enemy? Come on. I would have been extremely dissapointed if the end turned everything into fairytale like some people want. 

Victory had to come from something else, considering the lore. But to each their own. 

The Reapers had never had this problem before. Every other cycle they could take by surprise. Not only would this give us a greater advantage but the Reapers having to travel through Dark space to batarian space must have weakened them in some regard....

[dorktainian]

to make victory possible....

instead of following star brats advice, go in there and play dumb. run him around a bit - lead him a merry dance by pretending to be thicker than a thicko that thinks the crudible is the only way to stop the reapers (step forward admiral 'thicko' hackett) i dunno - picture the village idiot.. baffle the hell out of star brat while all the while the Fleets are fighting the good fight against the reapers who are now so numb with the village idiots logic that they shut down. star brat caught in a stupid logic trap loop turns a gun on himself and ends it all with the words 'my brain hurts'.

[Jadebaby]

dorktainian wrote...

to make victory possible....

instead of following star brats advice, go in there and play dumb. run him around a bit - lead him a merry dance by pretending to be thicker than a thicko that thinks the crudible is the only way to stop the reapers (step forward admiral 'thicko' hackett) i dunno - picture the village idiot.. baffle the hell out of star brat while all the while the Fleets are fighting the good fight against the reapers who are now so numb with the village idiots logic that they shut down. star brat caught in a stupid logic trap loop turns a gun on himself and ends it all with the words 'my brain hurts'.

Pretty sure that's already the case.

[AlanC9]

The Spamming Troll wrote...
what we currently have, isnt dumb???

A successful Refuse would be even more dumb. 

Of course, you don't have to care about the dumbness of the ending. 

[AlanC9]

Sejborg wrote...

I agree. Hyperion does this pretty damn good. 

They ripped off Hyperion plenty for ME3. Pity they didn't lift a little more from The Rise of Endymion, yeah -- that would have worked better than the Synthesis option we got.

[Sejborg]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

I agree. Hyperion does this pretty damn good. 

They ripped off Hyperion plenty for ME3. Pity they didn't lift a little more from The Rise of Endymion, yeah -- that would have worked better than the Synthesis option we got.

They could have thrown in some Matrix Revolution too. I have said this before, but I would have preferred The Catalyst to look more like this:
www.youtube.com/watch

The Catalyst looking like the boy was a little too much symbolism for me. It was over the top. 

[Chief Commander]

OP´s logic: "I´m sick of this topic!!!!one!^^^!!" "Lets make another one!"
Seriously -.-

[Sejborg]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

How about Bioware deliver to us a way to win conventionally that isnt wholey dumb (and when I say dumb, I’m referring to the *ahem* ‘quality’ of our current ending)?

Winning conventionally is a fairy tale. I wouldn't like that. 

And what kind of ending do you envisage when you say 'faiy tale'?

Winning conventionally! Obviously you must have read my post, since you quoted it, have you not? Or perhaps I don't understand your question. 

[Jadebaby]

Chief Commander wrote...

OP´s logic: "I´m sick of this topic!!!!one!^^^!!" "Lets make another one!"
Seriously -.-

Another bright individual missing the point lol.

[Jadebaby]

Fandango9641 wrote...
Right, so you cannot conceive of an ending to ME that allows for conventional victory in a way that doesn't make the entire game (and trilogy) a fairy tale? Ridiculous!

I think it shows moreso what he thinks of BioWare's writing ability, that if they wrote it in such a way it would automatically be a fairytale...

Though, with recent events I can understand where the doubt is coming from.

[Someone With Mass]

The Earth mission was also based on a full frontal assault as one big distraction long enough for the Crucible to arrive.

If the goal was to use the fleets to kill as many of them as possible, that wouldn't be the ideal solution.

[Sejborg]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

How about Bioware deliver to us a way to win conventionally that isnt wholey dumb (and when I say dumb, I’m referring to the *ahem* ‘quality’ of our current ending)?

Winning conventionally is a fairy tale. I wouldn't like that. 

And what kind of ending do you envisage when you say 'faiy tale'?

Winning conventionally! Obviously you must have read my post, since you quoted it, have you not? Or perhaps I don't understand your question. 

Right, so you cannot conceive of an ending to ME that allows for conventional victory in a way that doesn't make the entire game (and trilogy) a fairy tale? Ridiculous!

Oh that's what you meant. Yes I can imagine a different story that ends like that. But then you would have to change the lore and alot of story elements all the way back to ME1 for it to not be stupid. 

[AlanC9]

Fandango9641 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
what we currently have, isnt dumb???

A successful Refuse would be even more dumb. 

Why?

Because nothing that either side is doing makes any sense if the Citadel forces have any chance at all of a conventional victory.

We can fanwank that the Citadel military forces have been grossly overestimating Reaper capabilities. It'd be idiotic, but we can just say they're idiots. Or indoctrinated if that would make you feel better (Ordinarily I wouldn't talk about feelings in a context like this, but the whole point of a successful Refuse is to soothe hurt feelings.)

But it's way past idiotic for the Reapers to grossly underestimate Citadel military capabilities, and to keep doing so for several months. The Reapers are simply not acting like they're in a serious military struggle -- their priority is the harvest. Otherwise they'd have bombed both Earth and Palaven to death before Shepard got to Menae. This only changes when they discover the Crucible project.

Note that this has nothing to do with a substantial rewrite of ME3, which could certainly work around the problem. I'm talking only about the case where everything's the same until Shepard derps.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 décembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[Mcfly616]

Sejborg wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

I agree. Hyperion does this pretty damn good. 

They ripped off Hyperion plenty for ME3. Pity they didn't lift a little more from The Rise of Endymion, yeah -- that would have worked better than the Synthesis option we got.

They could have thrown in some Matrix Revolution too. I have said this before, but I would have preferred The Catalyst to look more like this:
www.youtube.com/watch

The Catalyst looking like the boy was a little too much symbolism for me. It was over the top. 

I actually like the concept and character of the Catalyst. But, I agree with you about it appearing as a child. First off, I hate children. I don't mind the symbolism within the scene, I just despise the fact that it appears as the child, in a way in which it's evident that Bioware is trying to "force" us to be sad. It's contrived. I would've much preferred the Catalyst to appear as Avina or our L.I.

(seeing the Catalyst appearing as my L.I. would've definitely immediately made me "feel" exactly what I was fighting for in those last moments....instead of Bioware trying to make me feel something by showing the child, I would've naturally been emotional had they just made the Catalyst appear as someone I had the biggest emotional connection with throughout the trilogy)

But nobody should ever borrow or take influence from anything in The Matrix sequals. Those movies are a blueprint on how to ruin everything a story started as. (Except for Morpheus taking out a car and 2 agents with a samurai sword.....everybody should take influence from that lol)

[Sejborg]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Try listening in on the radio on Earth. The war is basically over already. And we are losing it. 

Sure everything could be changed so you could get your David vs. Goliath victory. But that's just dumb. 

How about Bioware deliver to us a way to win conventionally that isnt wholey dumb (and when I say dumb, I’m referring to the *ahem* ‘quality’ of our current ending)?

Winning conventionally is a fairy tale. I wouldn't like that. 

And what kind of ending do you envisage when you say 'faiy tale'?

Winning conventionally! Obviously you must have read my post, since you quoted it, have you not? Or perhaps I don't understand your question. 

Right, so you cannot conceive of an ending to ME that allows for conventional victory in a way that doesn't make the entire game (and trilogy) a fairy tale? Ridiculous!

Oh that's what you meant. Yes I can imagine a different story that ends like that. But then you would have to change the lore and alot of story elements all the way back to ME1 for it to not be stupid. 

Come on Sejborg, our original endings were phoned in and are having to be retconned to make even the tiniest bit of sense. No, if handled well, a conventional victory would have suited the trilogy perfectly well (and with less effort than it took to put together that wretched EC).

A conventional victory makes no sense. I have said this already. Being able to beat the reapers simply by gathering allies is unbelieveable. There have been countless of cycless, countless of different societies. And with your ending you want me to believe that none of these societies were able to stand together against an end all enemy. Sorry. But within the current Mass Effect universe this would be a fairy tale ending.

Could the current ending have been done better? Sure. I have hinted in this very thread, that I would have liked somethings differently. But conventionel victory is not making it better - it's making it worse. 

[AlanC9]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Alan, I could concede all of that and still take issue with any claim that suggests it would be dumber than our current three colour conclusion.

A successful Refuse keeps all the dumbness of the existing endings  -- they're still there -- and adds a boatload more. Of course it's worse.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 décembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[Kite Exeter]

What, none of you believe in the power of friendship anymore?

[Sejborg]

Mcfly616 wrote...

But nobody should ever borrow or take influence from anything in The Matrix sequals. Those movies are a blueprint on how to ruin everything a story started as. (Except for Morpheus taking out a car and 2 agents with a samurai sword.....everybody should take influence from that lol)

I love that whole car chase. Love it! But I also feel alot of the visuals were pretty damn good.

I ended up being dissapointed with the sequels, but they were not bad movies. Just not as good as I had hoped.