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[111987]

Even if the Citadel forces win at Earth, you've still lost the war. You've crippled every races' fleet, with thousands of Reaper Dreadnaughts still around and dozens, if not hundreds, or occupied worlds to take.

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

I got so $&@%ing sick and tired of them telling us that conventional victory wasn't possible over and over and over. It's elementary writing, one time is sufficient.

Although with all the times they reinforced it, I couldn't help but think something was up.

[AlanC9]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Not so. With a proper Refusal, the space magic is revealed as nothing but a Reaper ploy to get confused, concussed Shepard to lay down his life for nothing. Shepard would then have the option to use the admittedly stupid Crucible, only NOT by shooting some tube. This would mess up the Reapers in a way to be determined by a qualified writer, leading to our brave fleet blowing their tentacled asses out of our sky..

It doesn't add MORE stupid because using the Crucible to bring down the Reapers is already in the ending. And it removes a ****ton of stupid that serves no purpose now that the universe apparently didn't end.

Of course it's space miles better. 

Oh, Ok. So Shepard isn't actually Refusing anything real. I was only talking about Refuse, again, not an IT rewrite.

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Not so. With a proper Refusal, the space magic is revealed as nothing but a Reaper ploy to get confused, concussed Shepard to lay down his life for nothing. Shepard would then have the option to use the admittedly stupid Crucible, only NOT by shooting some tube. This would mess up the Reapers in a way to be determined by a qualified writer, leading to our brave fleet blowing their tentacled asses out of our sky..

It doesn't add MORE stupid because using the Crucible to bring down the Reapers is already in the ending. And it removes a ****ton of stupid that serves no purpose now that the universe apparently didn't end.

Of course it's space miles better. 

Oh, Ok. So Shepard isn't actually Refusing anything real. I was only talking about Refuse, again, not an IT rewrite.

Common misunderstanding. A non-IT rewrite would be accurate. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 23 décembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[AlanC9]

Oh, Ok. That old idea that the Crucible will do something if Shepard doesn't interfere with it, rather than just getting blown up by the Reapers.

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

Oh, Ok. That old idea that the Crucible will do something if Shepard doesn't interfere with it, rather than just getting blown up by the Reapers.

Well, he might have to turn it on or something. BW can insert a scene where you have to flip a switch or something. Might even have a husk or two to rush you, to make it more exciting.

Bottom line is, this game is never going to be the masterpiece we all (?) hoped it would be. So best just clear out the stuff that has no purpose except ruining things and move on to the next one.

[Jadebaby]

xsdob wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Alan, I could concede all of that and still take issue with any claim that suggests it would be dumber than our current three colour conclusion.

A successful Refuse keeps all the dumbness of the existing endings  -- they're still there -- and adds a boatload more. Of course it's worse.

Not so. With a proper Refusal, the space magic is revealed as nothing but a Reaper ploy to get confused, concussed Shepard to lay down his life for nothing. Shepard would then have the option to use the admittedly stupid Crucible, only NOT by shooting some tube. This would mess up the Reapers in a way to be determined by a qualified writer, leading to our brave fleet blowing their tentacled asses out of our sky..

It doesn't add MORE stupid because using the Crucible to bring down the Reapers is already in the ending. And it removes a ****ton of stupid that serves no purpose now that the universe apparently didn't end.

Of course it's space miles better. 

That's indoctrinationist talk to me, and that  kind of thinking is three steps behind communism and 5 hop skip and jumps away from imperial theocracy.

I can't support this.

Regardless of what the other endings do, use the crucible to bring down Reaper shields. Then we can pummel the stupid cuttlefish.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Alas, people keep using the term conventional...

Isn't it frustrating that people can't seem to think outside the box?

Unconventional tactics. Unconventional strategies. This is how we win. Oh and let's get rid of that Citadel thing while it's wide open like that.

Let Shepard be the Spectre to relieve Admiral Steven Hackett of Command. He has all the tactical and strategic imagination of an Irish Setter. The Turians at least had some imagination. So did the Asari.

We have to make the Reapers hurt, and that doesn't mean fly in a straight line with a big sign saying "shoot me".

I think we should uplift the Yahg for shock troops. Send the Krogan in to deal with them on the diplomatic level, because the Yahg are going to get reaped anyway since they're only about 20 years away from space travel.

[Archonsg]

Mass Effect 3 : Reboot.
Paragon / Renegade choices from ME1-3 pays out at the end making those choices matter.

Rachni, saving them / destroying them *matters*. Save them, you have an ally that factor in and play a larger role in the story while at the sane time making your fight "harder" since Reapers now have at least some Rachni forced on their side. Destroy them in ME1, and they are gone, making for easier fights since Reapers now don't have Rachni forces, but Shepard is now missing a part of the puzzle and will need to get it with Liara's help off a Reaper infested planet.

War assets.

Possible LI Death / Reunion

And more.

[AlanC9]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Oh, Ok. That old idea that the Crucible will do something if Shepard doesn't interfere with it, rather than just getting blown up by the Reapers.

Well, he might have to turn it on or something. BW can insert a scene where you have to flip a switch or something. Might even have a husk or two to rush you, to make it more exciting.

Bottom line is, this game is never going to be the masterpiece we all (?) hoped it would be. So best just clear out the stuff that has no purpose except ruining things and move on to the next one.

Well, unfortunately, I think your idea makes the endings worse. But it wasn't like we were ever going to agree on that or anything, and your concept's a lot better than most of the stuff I see here.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 décembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[Jadebaby]

Archonsg wrote...

Mass Effect 3 : Reboot.
Paragon / Renegade choices from ME1-3 pays out at the end making those choices matter.

Rachni, saving them / destroying them *matters*. Save them, you have an ally that factor in and play a larger role in the story while at the sane time making your fight "harder" since Reapers now have at least some Rachni forced on their side. Destroy them in ME1, and they are gone, making for easier fights since Reapers now don't have Rachni forces, but Shepard is now missing a part of the puzzle and will need to get it with Liara's help off a Reaper infested planet.

War assets.

Possible LI Death / Reunion

And more.

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Modifié par Jade8aby88, 23 décembre 2012 - 07:53 .

[dorktainian]

wouldnt it be interesting if actually there is a way to end the reaper threat? something so bloody simple and obvious that actually it is amazing no one has ever thought of it? a way that actually shuts the reapers down and everyone has one hell of a party?

[Eterna]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If the Protheans couldn't win than neither can we. Which is pretty much confirmed by the refuse ending.

only because the ME3 protheans were written that way in ME3.
only because refusals ending was written that way in ME3.

if you dont get the idea behind conventional victory, its that the story would change!

seriously, think harder about it. you do know if conventional victory was possible, we wouldnt need a refusal ending, right?  were not saying add conventional victory so the star child makes sense. its more like add conventional victory so star child doesnt have to exist.

Yeah but conventional victory is not possible. You can say over and over again that they should have done this or that to support it, but they didn't do those things. You guys are going to have to accept that Bioware chose this path, their narrative does not support conventional victory.

 No amount of "what ifs" you think up are going to change this. It is what it is. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:19 .

[Jadebaby]

You mean like a secret pass code?

Catalyst: "Your time is at an end, you must choose."
Shepard: "Console command; overright;958BY7; Speech4: "Poppy ****!"
Catalyst: "Nooooooooooooooo!"

*Reapers die*

[Jadebaby]

Eterna5 wrote...
Yeah but conventional victory is not possible. You can say over and over again that they should have done this or that to support it, but they didn't so those things. You guys are going to have to accept that Bioware chose this path, their narrative does not support conventional victory.

 No amount of "what ifs" you think up are going to change this. It is what it is. 

You're right, but did you really need to reiterate that in a thread entitled "conventional victory is impossible!"

[Eterna]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Yeah but conventional victory is not possible. You can say over and over again that they should have done this or that to support it, but they didn't so those things. You guys are going to have to accept that Bioware chose this path, their narrative does not support conventional victory.

 No amount of "what ifs" you think up are going to change this. It is what it is. 

You're right, but did you really need to reiterate that in a thread entitled "conventional victory is impossible!"

I don't know, I'm leaning towards yes. Using unconventional tactics isn't going to work either, the same rules apply. 

[FreshRevenge]

All I wanted was to destroy that damn stupid Reapers without destroying the Geth and Edi. I could live with the fact if Shepard died but I don't see why they need to kill Shepard twice?

How impossible was that do to add in one of their endings. Not very hard by my book but NOoo BioWare has to make it an unhappy ending.

Every fan was expecting to destroy the Reapers and they throw the whole you will be wiping out the Geth and Edi and yourself if you do that? Arghh, this still pisses me off! I want to wake up and have BioWare admit they are sorry and they were wrong and they will make the ending that EVERYONE WANTS!

[SpamBot2000]

FreshRevenge wrote...

All I wanted was to destroy that damn stupid Reapers without destroying the Geth and Edi. I could live with the fact if Shepard died but I don't see why they need to kill Shepard twice?

How impossible was that do to add in one of their endings. Not very hard by my book but NOoo BioWare has to make it an unhappy ending.

Every fan was expecting to destroy the Reapers and they throw the whole you will be wiping out the Geth and Edi and yourself if you do that? Arghh, this still pisses me off! I want to wake up and have BioWare admit they are sorry and they were wrong and they will make the ending that EVERYONE WANTS!

They were not so much wrong as determined to make a sequel for ME3 impossible, for reasons we can (and frequently have) only speculate on. That's why the endings lead to irreconcilable differences in the universe, and that's why they are equally bad: to get an even distribution of these different universes among the fanbase so they could more easily throw up their hands and go 'Oh, we couldn't make a sequel now, look at all the different universes our fans have canoned for themselves! We sho 'nuff respect their choices so much that we are not going to do anything of the sort.' Then they called it Art.

But now they have apparently decided to make a sequel after all, so the strategy has turned out not to have been particularly brilliant.

Oh, and by 'they' I mean basically Casey Hudson and Mac Walters. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 23 décembre 2012 - 09:05 .

[raist747]

JPN17 wrote...

Thanks Admiral Hackett




Edit: Also I do want to say that it kind of bothered me that the thanix cannon was supposed to be commonplace after it was reverse engineered from Sovereign (at least that's the impression I got) yet I don't recall ever seeing "the good guys" use one in ME3.

Have you seen any other Alliance Frigates besides either incarnations of the Normandy?

[Someone With Mass]

I like to think that the common theme in the trilogy until ME3 switched it out for all the boo-hoo sacrifice crap was that there's always a chance.

Shepard stopped the Reapers' schemes plenty of times while being told that it was impossible.

[AlanC9]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I like to think that the common theme in the trilogy until ME3 switched it out for all the boo-hoo sacrifice crap was that there's always a chance.

Shepard stopped the Reapers' schemes plenty of times while being told that it was impossible.

Yep. The Crucible is the chance. The only chance. Activating the Crucible is every bit as impossible as any other impossible thing Shepard does.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 décembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[fiendishchicken]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I like to think that the common theme in the trilogy until ME3 switched it out for all the boo-hoo sacrifice crap was that there's always a chance.

Shepard stopped the Reapers' schemes plenty of times while being told that it was impossible.

Pretty much this.

I know it's headcanon but I have one going that involves the Citadel itself being a Reaper. Suffice to say, it get's blown up by Shepard destroying the Crucible and this causes all the other Reapers to falter in strength and get beaten.

Overcoming impossible odds through unity and friendship is the main theme I got from the ending.

[fiendishchicken]

AlanC9 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I like to think that the common theme in the trilogy until ME3 switched it out for all the boo-hoo sacrifice crap was that there's always a chance.

Shepard stopped the Reapers' schemes plenty of times while being told that it was impossible.

Yep. The Crucible is the chance. The only chance. Activating the Crucible is every bit as impossible as any other impossible thing Shepard does.

It's a lousy contrived chance that pretty much requires Shepard's death in 5/7 endings (2 Controls, 3 Destroys, 1 synthecrap, and 1 refuse) so that BW could nail in the boo-hoo sacrifice and kill off Shepard so that they don't have to make a sequel with him.

[Someone With Mass]

AlanC9 wrote...

Yep. The Crucible is the chance. The only chance. Activating the Crucible is every bit as impossible as any other impossible thing Shepard does.

Aside from the hilariously contrived plot device that only made me think "Oh, we're going to win now. It'll work, no matter what people will say" the second it showed up, because it's so predictable.

It would have been far more interesting to see Shepard lead the people through a difficult time of uncertainty rather than just hitting the "Win" button.

Having TIM research in technology to control the Reapers with would perhaps also have been a little easier to sympathize with and maybe make people reconsider the ethical dilemma, as you don't have a clearly better option in the works, which only makes his decision look stupid by comparison.