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[MORfiction]

I already installed DA: O on my other computer which has a GEFORCE 8500 GS graphics card. This computer has an ATI graphics card. When I try to run the game from my external hard drive where I installed the game, it complains about "PhysX."

I look at the page on Nvdia.com which it says to look at and I have no idea how I'm gonna run the game on this PC.

[MORfiction]

Thx for the heads up. I blind-bought the card mid-last year. It was my first experience with a non-GEFORCE card. It had a higher number than 8400 and was PCI and this Dell Dimension 4600 doesn't run PCI-Express because it doesn't have it. What it does have is AGP & PCI.

[Gorath Alpha]

MORfiction wrote...

I already installed DA: O on my other computer which has a GEFORCE 8500 GS graphics card. This computer has an ATI graphics card. When I try to run the game from my external hard drive where I installed the game, it complains about "PhysX."

I look at the page on Nvdia.com which it says to look at and I have no idea how I'm gonna run the game on this PC.

It makes no difference at all whether PhysX runs or not as long as you keep a seven or eight year old video card in whatever old clunker of a PC (Dell, I see now) you are trying to use.  The 9200 and 9250 are from the same (Dx8) generation as the Radeon 8500 (year 2002), and not even the lower end of the 2004 generation of Radeons have the required version of Dx9. 

The named minimum is the X850, because Bioware didn't think to try the Omega drivers when they tested X800s.  The practical minimum is the X700 XT, I suspect, but I think I would stick at the X800 Pro level, instead. 

Video cards and PC Gaming:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/519461

2003: Radeon 9500 to 9800
    "     Geforce FX 5700 Ultra to FX 5950 Ultra
2004: Radeon X700 to X850
    "      Geforce 6800 Vanilla to 6800 Ultra
2005: Radeon X1650 to X1950
    "       Geforce 7600 GT to 7950 
2006: Radeon HD 2600 to HD 2900
    "       Geforce 8600 GT to 8800 Ultra 
2007: Radeon HD 3650 to HD 3870
    "       Geforce 8600 GT to 8800 Ultra (with new names)

2008: Radeon HD 4650 to HD 4890
    "       Geforce GTX 260 to GTX 295  

2009: Radeon HD 5770 to HD 5970
    "       Geforce has nothing new yet


(Business grades all omitted)

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 06 janvier 2010 - 10:57 .

[Thanatos45]

MORfiction wrote...

Thx for the heads up. I blind-bought the card mid-last year. It was my first experience with a non-GEFORCE card. It had a higher number than 8400 and was PCI and this Dell Dimension 4600 doesn't run PCI-Express because it doesn't have it. What it does have is AGP & PCI.

A Radeon 9250? That's like... 2003? And even then it was a low end card, so don't expect DA to run on it. Anyway, if you've got AGP, the Radeon 4670 is available for it, it will run DA quite well. What are your other specs?

[MORfiction]

Darn. Well, I'm not upgrading. I spent my tech allowance for the month already. If I move this computer into my mother's room I'm gonna probably get the USB wireless network card thingie for $30.



Anyhow, P4. 1.5 GIG RAM. Freshly installed Pioneer internal DVD/CD writer drive (DVR-A18M) because my DVD-ROM drive was kaput and most new software for games is on DVD-ROM these days. Anything I'm forgetting?

[Titius.Vibius]

MORfiction wrote...

Darn. Well, I'm not upgrading. I spent my tech allowance for the month already. If I move this computer into my mother's room I'm gonna probably get the USB wireless network card thingie for $30.

Anyhow, P4. 1.5 GIG RAM. Freshly installed Pioneer internal DVD/CD writer drive (DVR-A18M) because my DVD-ROM drive was kaput and most new software for games is on DVD-ROM these days. Anything I'm forgetting?

Save more and buy a new PC. Do not waste more money by trying to extend the life of your weak PC. Harsh but this will save you further grief and discomfort.

Modifié par Titius.Vibius, 07 janvier 2010 - 03:50 .

[Gorath Alpha]

The minimum CPU is considerably above any of the P4s, although some 3.0 and faster ones are getting by at low settings, but having to accept slowdowns in mob scenes. If your CPU is more or less concurrent with that very old video card, it is probably way too slow -- something like 2.6 GHz or so. There is no work-around for video stuck at the Dx8 level, or a CPU so slow. Seems like an open and shut case.

[Zethell]

Try installing Physx?

[Titius.Vibius]

Zethell wrote...

Try installing Physx?

You do realize that he has a puny gpu, installing Physx will not solve his problem.

[JironGhrad]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

The minimum CPU is considerably above any of the P4s, although some 3.0 and faster ones are getting by at low settings, but having to accept slowdowns in mob scenes. If your CPU is more or less concurrent with that very old video card, it is probably way too slow -- something like 2.6 GHz or so. There is no work-around for video stuck at the Dx8 level, or a CPU so slow. Seems like an open and shut case.

A side note on the P4s. The Cedar Mill series of socket 775 hyperthreaded P4s will run it "fine" with a decent GPU. Fine being determined by how much you're willing to accept.  I had consistent framerates of 30-40 FPS running it at 1680x1050 @ 60hz on medium graphics/high textures 2x AA, on my Radeon X1650 Pro (overclocked to stable levels with the CCC). When I swapped in my Radeon HD 4670 and OC'd the P4 chip (I got an effective CPU clock reporting of 4.9 GHz) I was able to get 70+ FPS with everything maxed out.

[MORfiction]

I get it. P4 is dead. My other computer is a Dell Dimension E520 with a dual core Intel processor. It has a GEFORCE 8400 GS as previously stated along with 2GB of RAM. Is this any better? I can't afford to buy a new computer... heck I can't afford to buy a new PS3.

[Gorath Alpha]

MORfiction wrote...

I get it. P4 is dead. My other computer is a Dell Dimension E520 with a dual core Intel processor. It has a GEFORCE 8400 GS as previously stated along with 2GB of RAM. Is this any better? I can't afford to buy a new computer... heck I can't afford to buy a new PS3.

In the case of the 8400 GS, being below the minimum doesn't mean that the game cannot or will not operate to some extent using that card.  It does have the required pixel shaders, although very few shader units compared to better cards, so it's comparatively slow whether or not the RAM speed and core speed are slow, and the memory system offers only a narrow 64 bit bandwidth. 

You'll need to lower the screen resolution and the image quality settings.  Depending on your animation preferences, some folks have reported "acceptable" frame rates at 1024 by 768 pixels.  I think that I would drop it to 800 by 600 before I could handle the slowdowns. 

Gorath
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