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[Sol Downer]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Hawke goes to the Deep Roads, it's impossible for them to be caught. And Carver joins up with the Templars, no doubt he pulls strings to keep you out of the Gallows.

Hawke being in Kirkwal FOR A YEAR...yes, you may say the mercenary or smugglers protect Hawke...but mercenary/smuggler vs The Order of Templar?

-...Yes, they did. Otherwise Kirkwall would've converted to the Qun. And Hawke got caught up in everything on accident. Remember? He went with Aveline to talk to the Qunari, but you saw what happened. They antagonized him so he killed them all.

That means Hawke is NOTHING, if hawke is something, the Arishok would dare to challenge him/her in the Qunari compound. Even if Arishok repect Hawke, just respect as a person, but not on authority, Hawke have no authority over anything

Champion is a title in Kirkwall. They defy whatever laws they want to.

If there is 50 Champions, then you got 50 people who can defy laws...this is not the same with Grey Warden, because Grey Warden is an organization.

Champion: an honor unique to the Free Marches. Other terms of reverence suffer the stains of their holders, the lingering baggage of office and entitlement. But champion is not an appointment that can be sought. It cannot be owned or willed, and the process by which it is bestowed is not argued through policy or guile. It is earned with blood and sweat and in times of great turmoil, leadership. Always worthy, as their deeds are of true importance, a champion is greeted not by debate, but by nods of reverence.
The title was most recently granted in Tantervale, 8:82 Blessed, on the resolution of the bloody expansion of Nevarra. Their king, emboldened by the taking of Perendale and the quick yielding of Hasmal, thought the remainder of the Free Marches as easy claim. He who became the Champion. Cade Arvale of Rivain, did what Orlais had not: He stopped a nation in its tracks. There was blood and barter, but Tantervale is still free against all odds.
There is the contradiction of the honor. Champion is not itself a sign of approval. He or she can be respected or feared, their coming dreaded as much as desired. All that is common is that they have an effect and lives are changed.

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In short, it's impossible to have more than one Champion unless there is more than one huge disaster. Second, love them or hate them, you will admire them. They won't stop you from breaking laws if you're a Champion since either they respect you highly, or they fear you.

[DarkSpiral]

*peeks inside*

I see Nizaris is at it again. Wild speculation is a nice thing when you recall, at all times, that it IS wild speculation. Claiming to be concerned about how a mage would fit in to an organization you know absolutely nothing about makes no sense.  Unless you're doing it for jollies, which I don't think you really are.

Here's an idea.  Since you love bringing the Wardens up all the time, and using them as the measuring stick for everything, lets use the Wardens to illustrate the illogical nature of your OP.

Now, follow along here:  We're going to travel back to 2009, a bit before the first game was released. Bioware tells us that you can play a mage, a warrior, and a rogue, and that you're going to join some ancient organization called the "Grey Wardens." Now! Begin speculation about why a mage joining the Wardens makes any sense at all!

Just remember that you can only reference any information you knew, regarding the Grey Wardens, BEOFRE DA:O was ever released.

B-E-G-I-N!!!

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 23 décembre 2012 - 07:52 .

[Sol Downer]

DarkSpiral wrote...

*peeks inside*

I see Nizaris is at it again. Wild speculation is a nice thing when you recall, at all times, that it IS wild speculation. Claiming to be concerned about how a mage would fit in to an organization you know absolutely nothing about makes no sense.

In fact, since you love bringing the Wardens up all the time, and using them as the measuring stick for everything, lets use the Wardens.

Now, follow along here. We're going to travel back to 2009, a bit before the first game was released. Bioware tells us that you can play a mage, a warrior, and a rogue, and that you're going to join some ancient organization called the "Grey Wardens." Now! Begin speculation about why a mage joining the Wardens makes any sense at all!

Just remember that you can only reference any information you knew, regarding the Grey Wardens, BEOFRE DA:O was ever released.

B-E-G-I-N!!!

A mage can't join the Grey Wardens! Because the Wardens are an ancient organization and mages OBVIOUSLY don't join ancient organizations! I mean, look at the Inquisition...oh, wait...I guess it is better to wait and learn instead of making wild guesses.

[DarkSpiral]

Ultimashade wrote...

A mage can't join the Grey Wardens! Because the Wardens are an ancient organization and mages OBVIOUSLY don't join ancient organizations! I mean, look at the Inquisition...oh, wait...I guess it is better to wait and learn instead of making wild guesses.

A cookie for you, sir or madam.  

[elfdwarf]

have you seen the new tshirt don't remember any templar or seekers wearing that before
i don't think this is same organization that you're playing connect dot with

[Urzon]

I'm still doubting if the PC for DA3 is even going to be "The Inquisitor". I know it was info gathered from the leaked marketing survey, but it's still a marketing survey. All that stuff: names, locations, titles, and companions is subject to change, since they were only asking our opinion on it. I'd rather not count all my chickens before they hatch.

Not to mention, Lambert and friends could possibly take back the name Inquisition themselves. The "Templar Order" and "Seekers of Truth" were both invented by the Chantry when the Inquisition joined their organization. Since Lambert and the Knight-Commanders broke away from the Chantry, they could take their old name back to distance themselves from it, and it would show a more united front when they go to war with the mages.

Modifié par Urzon, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:45 .

[XX-Pyro]

I think your character can become the Inquisitor, but I highly doubt we start as one. I think that's something they would specifically tell us this early on, which they haven't.

[Fredward]

^ Would you please stop spamming the thread with pics? It's annoying. And technically against the rules.

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Gawd. Know what's really depressing? That you guys think the writers don't know these things. That they don't spend hours working on things like this. Nope. They're just sitting in the office and eating soft serve ice cream with their forehead. Hoping no one will notice.

Foopydoopydoo, your quirky imagination is a force for the good of human creativity.

Awwww, shucks.



Lemme try and explain some things here. In DA2 there was SUPPOSED to be a quest that explained why the temps ignored mage Hawke. This was cut. Mr. Gaider's plug talks of these cuts (not this one specifically but you get my point), they're not anyone's fault, they happen because of time/resource restraints or because they'd require too much work to implement etc.

But really, the thing to REALLY keep in mind here is that the word Inquisition, which people just seem to assume HAS TO ABSOLUTELY MUST DEFINITELY 113% HAVE TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE CHANTRY ABSOLUTELY MUST actually doesn't have to be affiliated with the Chantry. It shares a name with a group that existed in the past. That's it. And if it IS connected to the Chantry I'm sure the writers will be able, unimaginable as this might be, to come up with a feasible reason for a mage joining.

People need to chillax until we actually hear something about the game before preemptively (and unsubstantiatedly [that is so not a word but w/e]) finding faults.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 23 décembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[LolaLei]

It's probably also worth pointing out that Mark Darrah and a couple of the other devs have already stated that we won't be forced to play as pro-Templar or pro-chantry. So even if we do play as the Inquisitor we won't be the same as the Inquisition of old.

But anyway, I'm certainly intrigued to discover what situation caused our protagonist to join the Inquisition (if we join it at all).

Modifié par LolaLei, 23 décembre 2012 - 10:20 .

[Little Princess Peach]

I have a feeling the mage will have a strong religous side to start with then later on in the game he/she might question the chantry if options allow, I think people are gonna view the mage with awe mostly.

[Celene II]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Gawd. Know what's really depressing? That you guys think the writers don't know these things. That they don't spend hours working on things like this. Nope. They're just sitting in the office and eating soft serve ice cream with their forehead. Hoping no one will notice.

Did you play DA2?

Did you play the end of DA2?

I think that the writers of that probably ate too much soft serve ice cream and got a brain freeze and coughed up the end of that game in like 3 minutes

You cant tell me that the writing from DA2 breeds confidence for the writing of DA3

[XX-Pyro]

Celene II wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Gawd. Know what's really depressing? That you guys think the writers don't know these things. That they don't spend hours working on things like this. Nope. They're just sitting in the office and eating soft serve ice cream with their forehead. Hoping no one will notice.

Did you play DA2?

Did you play the end of DA2?

I think that the writers of that probably ate too much soft serve ice cream and got a brain freeze and coughed up the end of that game in like 3 minutes

You cant tell me that the writing from DA2 breeds confidence for the writing of DA3

The only real problem I personally had with DA2's ending was that we kill Meredith and Orsino both. Besides that I didn't too much mind it. Could have been better sure, but not inherently bad.

EDIT: I realize this is an unpopular opinion. My point is how good writing is can be subjective.

Modifié par XX-Pyro, 23 décembre 2012 - 10:31 .

[Abraham_uk]

Dragon Age Style Mage: Someone who tears apart the battlefield with loads of area of effect spells. Heals themselves repeatedly and sends out more destructive spells. Oh and likes to kill things by using their Spear-staff as a melee weapon.


An Inquisitor: A really annoying, high and mighty authority figure who asks way to many questions. 


So a Mage Inquisitor is basically hell with a pair of legs.
The worst interrogations ever, combined with the destructive infernos to scorch everyone.
Yep walking hell!

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 23 décembre 2012 - 10:33 .

[Parmida]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Dragon Age Style Mage: Someone who tears apart the battlefield with loads of area of effect spells. Heals themselves repeatedly and sends out more destructive spells. Oh and likes to kill things by using their Spear-staff as a melee weapon.


An Inquisitor: A really annoying, high and mighty authority figure who asks way to many questions. 


So a Mage Inquisitor is basically hell with a pair of legs.
The worst interrogations ever, combined with the destructive infernos to scorch everyone.
Yep walking hell!

F*CK YEAH!
Add Bloodmagic to it as well, and he'll be a very awesome, badass, inquisitor!

[Parmida]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Parmida wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Dragon Age Style Mage: Someone who tears apart the battlefield with loads of area of effect spells. Heals themselves repeatedly and sends out more destructive spells. Oh and likes to kill things by using their Spear-staff as a melee weapon.


An Inquisitor: A really annoying, high and mighty authority figure who asks way to many questions. 


So a Mage Inquisitor is basically hell with a pair of legs.
The worst interrogations ever, combined with the destructive infernos to scorch everyone.
Yep walking hell!

F*CK YEAH!
Add Bloodmagic to it as well, and he'll be a very awesome, badass, inquisitor!

Yes, that is the issue...

Not only that, in a world where Templar and Mages fighting each other, propably one side will kill other side on the spot, a Mage Inquisitor want to extract infos from both side?

An Inquisitor must be at neutral party isn't it?

Nope! Gray Wardens are allowed to use any magic to deal with the dark spawn and save everyone, so if The Inquisitor is meant to save everyone no matter the cost, he has to be very powerful and..... badass.
And I don't think that the Mage-Templar fighting is the main war in this game.
It's as Duncan said, there are far more dangerous things that threaten the world than Bloodmages or mages.
So I can see the Chantry and Templars putting their hypocrisy aside to save their own asses on the line at the very least.

Modifié par Parmida, 23 décembre 2012 - 09:10 .

[henkez3]

There is always the whole Story - Gameplay conundrum to consider. But in DA2, Mage Hawke was simply badly written I'm afraid, nothing made sense. Played mage on my first playthrough in DA2, never went back to the class...

I hope and do actually believe the writing staff will do better in DA3.

[Savber100]

I'll wait and see.

Before I would say, Bioware wouldn't that colossally stupid but they have been busily proving me wrong for two years.

So we'll see... and arguing whether they will or not won't change a god damn thing.

Unless you raise this issue to Mr. Priestly or Allan... ;)s

[Lintanis]

 Got a feeling that the Inquisitor will have other matters to deal with not just the templar-mage conflict 

Sort of the Grey Wardens of non-Darkspawn matters 


So class might not be a big issue 

[Navasha]

I am not one that is quick to jump to conclusions about who or what we will be playing or the state of the world at the time of DA3. We do know from DA2 that the whole chantry/templar/mage circle system is crumbling to pieces.

Yes, it would be hard to imagine a mage as a member of the Seekers, under the status quo we are used to seeing, but that isn't likely the case. The usual rules don't necessarily work for DA3 speculations.