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[MisterJB]

TheBreadedOne wrote...
Wouldn't the Qunari doing that violate that treaty (Llmoyren or something like that) and start another war with the Qunari?

Hence why I said all Andrastean nations; with the exception of Ferelden; would still be between Kirkwall and reinforcements from Par-Vollen.
And really, all that treaty is doing is giving the qunari time to deal with Tevinter and prepare for an invasion on the rest of Thedas. It's better to fight them than have the mages and templars killing each other all over Thedas.

[Sol Downer]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Wrong, one of the devs just told you the exact opposite situation. Your entire basis for this "Kirkwall would be fine" thing is now invalid. It's like arguing with a chef that's been baking for years and telling him how to toast bread.

Just to nip this sort of response in the bud, don't use my word entirely as absolute gospel ammunition for the idea that "Kirkwall would be fine" is not at all plausible.

If someone wishes to think that Hawke was the catalyst that set all these events in motion, I think that that is fine. However, given what we know from the game lore, I do think that definitively stating that it would not have happened is something we cannot conclude.

Hawke wasn't a small time player, but the Qunari are already a boiling pot. There's no logical reason to definitively state that without Hawke's influence, the Qunari situation would never have escalated. Although I do think, given Hawke is the one that breaks it up, Hawke does prevent it from becoming much, much worse.

To be fair, I did just compare you to a baker. It's less "absolute" and more "more true than false."

[Allan Schumacher]

I did notice that.  Luckily for you my benevolence knows no bounds.

I'm definitely more of a... cordwainer >.>

[Saibh]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Just to nip this sort of response in the bud, don't use my word entirely as absolute gospel ammunition for the idea that "Kirkwall would be fine" is not at all plausible.

Shhh you were winning our e-argument!

[Steppenwolf]

Nizaris1 wrote...

I know DA3 is about Inquisitor investigating Mage-Templar war. At least that is the motivation.

You don't know that at all. Not even the leaks say that's what DA3 is about.

[Steppenwolf]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Arishok don't have the gatlok, the tal vasoth have it.

That's not true. Nowhere in the game is that ever stated, and it wouldn't even make any sense.

[Steppenwolf]

Nizaris1 wrote...

the reason on why Arishok refuse to hear Hawke and Aveline in the Qunari compound is because Hawke is no longer needed, insignificant, the Arishok have already prepare for invasion, so the pawn is not needed anymore.

Hawke was never a pawn in the Arishok's plans. Hawke was only involved with the Qunari because of a dwarf so this theory of yours makes no sense. The Arishok explains exactly what he's doing when he does it. Hawke doesn't fit into the equation at all. If the Arishok had taken Hawke into account in his plan he would have killed him in the compound before sacking the city.

[Saibh]

Nizaris, you're not arguing your own main point. This is your thread, and you're leading it off topic.

You keep failing to acknowledge something I've been saying:

in what way is mage Hawke's story illogical because you are not necessarily the hero of it?

[Steppenwolf]

Nizaris1 wrote...

That show that Hawke is nothing to him, no need to kill Hawke, Arishok don't feel Hawke is dangerous at all. He just laugh out loud that he have played everyone all these time.

Well that shoots your whole theory to ****. And again, the Arishok didn't have some grand scheme. He wasn't playing the entire city against eachother. He was reacting the entire time, not planning.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

We don't have enough information to know for sure that the Player Character is an Inquisitor or in fact in any way affiliated with the Inquisition. BioWare has said that the Inquisition is important enough to the story that they called the game . Automatically assuming that we are playing an Inquisitor based on the title, would be like assuming that we'd be one of the Awakened in Dragon Age: Awakening, just because of the subtitle. The Awakened, as we know are the intelligent talking Darkspawn brood of the Mother and the Architect.

It's fun to speculate, but it's also wise not to jump to conclusions when we have so little concrete information to go on.

[Steppenwolf]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Automatically assuming that we are playing an Inquisitor based on the title, would be like assuming that we'd be one of the Awakened in Dragon Age: Awakening

The leaked feedback surveys identify the protagonist as The Inquisitor. Hardly confirmed at this point, but it would be very surprising if it turns out to be false considering the surveys gave us the game's title months before the game was announced.

[Steppenwolf]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Well that shoots your whole theory to ****. And again, the Arishok
didn't have some grand scheme. He wasn't playing the entire city against
eachother. He was reacting the entire time, not planning.

hoho he planned, i think he is actually a master piece from Gaider, despite on i don't like their Satanic look, but Arishok is a badass character Gaider ever make. I can detect many Sun Tzu Arishok is doing

for that i give credit to Bioware and Gaider

The game doesn't support you on this. In any way. The Arishok explains exactly why he did what he did and makes it plain that he's just fed up with Kirkwall. He was not scheming from the beginning. You're just pulling things out of your ass for no reason.

[xsdob]

How did hawke cause any of this at all!?

Hawke didn't make isabella steal the book the arishock was looking for.

Hawke didn't make the chantry extremist motivated to make a war between the qunari and kirkwall

Hawke really didn't do anything that any other mercenary wouldn't have done. Really he's only responsible for stopping the arishock when he did.

[karushna5]

All I know, is that I am pretty sure you can be pro templar inquisitor, OR pro mage. So a mage Inquisitor is possible and even makes sense, but I will love being a pro Templar Mage, it has drama bits that appeal to me. It is interesting. I am just disapointed about the backgrounds that might explain it, I was so hoping, this time you would get a playable background based on class.

[Steppenwolf]

Your broken English and nonsensical arguments make it hard to tell if you're even serious.

[XX-Pyro]

I think I'm going to bookmark this thread.

Anyways, I'm almost starting to believe you're just trolling now. We all understand you are disappointed about DA2- many people are. Stop trying to justify your hatred with the term "illogical writing" though, because that wasn't present. Should Templars have been more aware? Perhaps. But it's also easy enough to follow the story and understand why Templars didn't hunt Hawke down or looked the other way about him. Act 1 being the sole exception, perhaps.

Don't call the story illogical because you don't understand it. And don't act like DA:I will suffer the same problems DA2 did.

[NRieh]

Ok. We all understood how you hate DA2 and Hawkes. You derailed your own thread heavily.

Won't you like to discuss DA3 Mage PC a little bit, just for a change? Probably, you want to tell devs how you wish to see him handled, instead of DA2 hating and picshower?..But that would require some efforts, I'm afraid, so...nevermind, forget that I asked. Who ever needs constuctive dialogues anyway, right?

Modifié par Nrieh, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[Saibh]

Nizaris1 wrote...

I am not derailing the topic, but to give an example how bad DA2 mage hawke is written and what happen in DA2, but some arguing about it, so i make counter argument...in which lead to the whole DA2

So, the subject still remain, about Mage Inquisitor doesn't fit everything

let say we don't play as Inquisitor, still it don't fit anything, because as apostate, what can we do anyway? No one and nobody...we must be something as a Mage, no more illogical story like Hawke.

We must have authority over something, or else whatever we are fighting for is null...who want to hear a nobody?

As in this forum...who want to hear me?

No, you're not giving examples why mage Hawke is badly written. I've asked you this explicitly two times: even if Hawke is messing everything up, how does that Hawke badly written? It just is. It maybe not be what YOU wanted.