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#151
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So, the subject still remain, about Mage Inquisitor doesn't fit everything

let say we don't play as Inquisitor, still it don't fit anything

Ok, nothing in your vision in DA3 fits anything. Your bad.

As in this forum...who want to hear me?

Probably, you did not try hard enough SAYING something first? I mean besides endless "Hawke was bad, Hawke mage was awful, DA3 PC Inquisitor (unconfirmed) mage will be bad as well(unconfirmed), because Hawke was bad, because I said so" (rinse and repeat).

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Hawke as an apostate, obviously a mage, can directly challenge the Templar in the Gallow
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Cullen dialogue is the same for all classes
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Arvarad didn't realize hawke and her companion are Mages
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The most unbelievable excuse
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No one realize Hawke is obviously a mage unless Hawke show them
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This scene totaly mind blowing...
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Mage Hawke manage to kill all the Templars who breach in, but Mages loose the battle?
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In both Last Straw choice, Hawke kill both Orsino and Meredith, why Hawke must leave in the end if side with mages but If side with Meredith Hawke become APOSTATE VISCOUNT? In both condition, mages lost anyway right?
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Modifié par Nizaris1, 24 décembre 2012 - 10:44 .


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Please, please stop spamming pictures.

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If i not show the pictures, i cannot express it with words, the pictures show what i am talking about

Mage Hawke is badly written, it will happen in DA3 for Mage Inquisitor

Modifié par Nizaris1, 24 décembre 2012 - 10:51 .


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Nizaris1 wrote...

If i not show the pictures, i cannot express it with words, the pictures show what i am talking about


It's not the first time you posted them. Can you stop being so negative all the time? I understand that you would want to give some critique, which is fine, but try to be constructive about it. 

Is there anything you like about Dragon Age? (except for the Warden)

Modifié par TinuHawke, 24 décembre 2012 - 10:51 .


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BasilKarlo wrote...

Your broken English and nonsensical arguments make it hard to tell if you're even serious.

Not everyone on the board is a native English speaker.

Yes, Nizaris1 is serious.

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Yeah I got confused on page 1

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If your point is to make it aware that you'd like to make sure the mage storyline in DA3 is more consistent with the lore, you've made yourself pretty clear in that regard....

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Mr Allan..

Thank you :kissing:

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 I've said it before and I'll say it again:

I don't think the ''new'' Inquisition will in any shape or form be tied to one side of the conflict, the ''new'' Inquisition will with almost 100% certainty be a organization whose only goal is to stop the conflict >> BY, ANY, MEANS, NECESSARY <<., be it by completely destroying the Templars, the Mages, force a peace treaty, annahilate both sides, or whatever. I don't think an organization that wants to stop the conflict by any means necessary cares what kind of people wants to join up with them.

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I don't think the ''new'' Inquisition will in any shape or form be tied to one side of the conflict, the ''new'' Inquisition will with almost 100% certainty be a organization whose only goal is to stop the conflict >> BY, ANY, MEANS, NECESSARY <<., be it by completely destroying the Templars, the Mages, force a peace treaty, annahilate both sides, or whatever. I don't think an organization that wants to stop the conflict by any means necessary cares what kind of people wants to join up with them.


Surely a Mage cannot be neutral, the one who can do that must be neutral.

i play pro-Templar Mage in DA2, i still feel ****...even i fought Blood Mages and the Templar are right in most matters, but still i cannot throw away sympathy toward mages...like the screenshot i show above i side the Circle Mage in the end, not just because of meredith is wrong at that time but also..."**** you Meredith, you want to genocide my kind in front of me?"

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Surely a Mage cannot be neutral, the one who can do that must be neutral.


Why not?

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I'm going to guess the disagreement is semantic. Neutral can mean 'supporting neither side' or it can mean 'having no personal stake/bias/opinion.'

When it comes to the treatment of mages, a mage has personal stake and likely has an opinion.

That said, the Inquisition as Androme described it isn't a neutral entity. It's one working to turn both mages and templars to its own agenda.

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Why not?


I don't know how to describe it in English...but to put it in simple language...you know about 9/11 WTC attack, and how the world view Islam and Muslim? I myself as a Muslim don't agree with that attack and i don't support it, but i will not allow Islam and my fellow Muslims become a victim of prejudice and hate crime. So let say, i have a friend who is a member of Al Qaeda, the best i can do is advise him/her to get out from Al Qaeda, but if ever USA anti-terrorist troop storm his/her house, i will defend him/her to death.

Another example, it is like Troy movie, everything is literally Paris fault, but Hector cannot allow Greek to conquer Troy, the whole Trojan cannot let the Greek invade Troy, even though it is Paris fault, but that not justify Greek sending troops to Troy. Paris have a duel with Menalaus brother forgot his name, Paris lost, even the rule is to the death, Hector cannot allow his brother to be killed in front of him, Hector kill that guy i forgot his name.

So, it is like that...

Let look into DA2...a Mage carrying sentiment, he/she cannot be a good judge, because he/she him/herself is a Mage. let say someone talk **** about Mages like Arvarad did to Mage Hawke, then hawke admit being a Mage, and then Arvaraad attack Mage Hawke AFTER knowing Hawke is a Mage...see, it cannot be. Everybody carry sentiment. Arvaraad is Qunari "Templar"

Edit : If hawke is not a mage, and give away Serabas, Arvaraad still attack hawke out of sentiment "hawke being contaminated by Serabas/Mage". Arvaraad attack Hawke because of Bethany, Anders and Merill if Hawke ever mention about them

Modifié par Nizaris1, 24 décembre 2012 - 01:09 .


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So... round 3(4?) of Nizaris1 vs the world is on? You go girl!
#gets popcorn#

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DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...



Like with what happened in DA:O? PC just doing his/her thing, gets in trouble, forced to join wardens. Why not have DA3 PC just get thrown into a merc group? Or a survivor of a town that got hit by the war and wants revenge? Possibilities are not that limited, one could possibly be an Inquisitor but it isn't the only option BW can go with.


Not the same...in DA:O we are recruited by an organization who don't care who we are and who we were. Grey Warden don't care if you are mage, apostate, blood mage, a thief, a criminal, noble or street punk, as long as you are useful to against the Blight. Being a Grey Warden give us the authority (and a liscene to kill) as a Grey Warden, no matter if we are a blood mage or anything

Is Mage-Templar war a threat to the world? I don't thing it is a threat to the world, only Mage and some group political issue. And what authority we have as a nobody? let say our background is an apostate, so the Seeker or Chantry just hire us to work with them? What if we are a Blood Mage too, or in the story somehow we learn Blood Magic?

Don't you see?


No, because you are making rumors fact when they are rumors. You think we are working for the Chantry, that may not be true, it may be, but maybe not.

Also, the MT war is a threat to the world. With mages heavily concentrated and doing battle, a lot of magic and suffering happening in specific areas in a short period of time, there will be tears in the Veil, and that is a major threat. Vast areas will be wasteland where no one is safe to be in.

The game is about "saving the world from itself" and with such a threat, if there is a group that the PC joins, I doubt they will care what the PC is as long as the PC helps end the war.

So, while it is good you are reminding people of the possible pitfalls (quite a bit from the last couple threads I've seen you in), you could also look at the positive possibilities. Balance cynicism with optimism, keep an open mind, etc.


The war ends when the last Chantry Priest is a limbless burning ruin, screaming in agony on the corpses of her flock.  If achieving that tears the Veil so mote it be.

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Nizaris1 wrote...

Why not?


I don't know how to describe it in English...but to put it in simple language...you know about 9/11 WTC attack, and how the world view Islam and Muslim? I myself as a Muslim don't agree with that attack and i don't support it, but i will not allow Islam and my fellow Muslims become a victim of prejudice and hate crime. So let say, i have a friend who is a member of Al Qaeda, the best i can do is advise him/her to get out from Al Qaeda, but if ever USA anti-terrorist troop storm his/her house, i will defend him/her to death.

Another example, it is like Troy movie, everything is literally Paris fault, but Hector cannot allow Greek to conquer Troy, the whole Trojan cannot let the Greek invade Troy, even though it is Paris fault, but that not justify Greek sending troops to Troy. Paris have a duel with Menalaus brother forgot his name, Paris lost, even the rule is to the death, Hector cannot allow his brother to be killed in front of him, Hector kill that guy i forgot his name.

So, it is like that...

Let look into DA2...a Mage carrying sentiment, he/she cannot be a good judge, because he/she him/herself is a Mage. let say someone talk **** about Mages like Arvarad did to Mage Hawke, then hawke admit being a Mage, and then Arvaraad attack Mage Hawke AFTER knowing Hawke is a Mage...see, it cannot be. Everybody carry sentiment. Arvaraad is Qunari "Templar"

Edit : If hawke is not a mage, and give away Serabas, Arvaraad still attack hawke out of sentiment "hawke being contaminated by Serabas/Mage". Arvaraad attack Hawke because of Bethany, Anders and Merill if Hawke ever mention about them



you should think more, im not gonnae sit type tons of stuff to tell you how wrong you are but i will type to tell you to think a lil more and dont necessarly agree with what you say to yourself to much

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The war is about sentiment, it always be.

As long as sentiment exist, war exist.

To destroy war, is to destroy sentiment. When there is no sentiment, there will be no war...

That is why Mage Inquisitor cannot fit the job.

Modifié par Nizaris1, 24 décembre 2012 - 01:57 .


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okay...i give another example

John is a mutan, jenny is a mutan too, mutan have war with human, a group of human lead by Joe

Jenny have war with Joe...John cannot be the judge...

If John side with jenny, that is bias...if john side with Joe, mutans look him as a traitor

The one to judge must be not mutan and not human...alien named Jessy.

Only Jessy can solve everything because Jessy have no sentiment, and no one have sentiment over Jessy

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Nizaris1 wrote...
Mage Hawke is badly written, it will happen in DA3 for Mage Inquisitor


Why?

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Why?


because we will play a default character, Warrior Inquisitor, Rogue Inquisitor or Mage Inquisitor, the same character only with different classes to choose.

They say there will be background, but it will be the same like Hawke.

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im a mage, i believe blood magic is wrong an evil, i also believe there are templars that do good, but there are also templars who take there job to seriously and are over zealous.

Dragon Age 2 portrays this, there are templars doing good work and there are good mages aswell.

Personally i think it was very wrong of bioware to give mage pc the option to do blood magic in the first place as the story stands now but that may change, but over all yes you can have a neutral templar and a neutral mage, both of which can understand each others side yet fight for a better future for both, i think they might be doing this with cullen if im honest

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Nizaris1 wrote...

okay...i give another example

John is a mutan, jenny is a mutan too, mutan have war with human, a group of human lead by Joe

Jenny have war with Joe...John cannot be the judge...

If John side with jenny, that is bias...if john side with Joe, mutans look him as a traitor

The one to judge must be not mutan and not human...alien named Jessy.

Only Jessy can solve everything because Jessy have no sentiment, and no one have sentiment over Jessy


Where does objectivity come into play?

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Where does objectivity come into play?


- To stop the war
- profit

lol, well...the neutral party must have some agendas too...the agenda that motivate them...it could be anything

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Personally i think it was very wrong of bioware to give mage pc the option to do blood magic in the first place as the story stands now but that may change, but over all yes you can have a neutral templar and a neutral mage, both of which can understand each others side yet fight for a better future for both, i think they might be doing this with cullen if im honest


That is the issue in my first post...

How Blood Magic specialization will co-exist and in harmony with Mage Inquisitor?