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Personally i think it was very wrong of bioware to give mage pc the option to do blood magic in the first place as the story stands now but that may change, but over all yes you can have a neutral templar and a neutral mage, both of which can understand each others side yet fight for a better future for both, i think they might be doing this with cullen if im honest


That is the issue in my first post...

How Blood Magic specialization will co-exist and in harmony with Mage Inquisitor?



and bioware have awlready stated there will be consequences (if thats the right word) for your specialization in da:i

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hmm... and a... why Inquisitor? I mean lore states that Inquisiton as organization ceased to exist and was replaced by Seekers of Truth and Templars Order right?

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Is there anything to say a previously defunct organisation cannot be resurrected, with a new 'brief', should circumstances require?

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hmmm. thing is that Inquisition as it was still exists but as brute force of wardens as Templars and the Seekers - who like to use their brains more than muscles. So why ressurrect what is alive?

You know i just thought, that many people around here thinks that Inquisition is part of the Chantry. But what if =I= is a 3rd party organization?

Modifié par secretsandlies, 24 décembre 2012 - 02:47 .


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Nizaris1 wrote...

Where does objectivity come into play?


- To stop the war
- profit

lol, well...the neutral party must have some agendas too...the agenda that motivate them...it could be anything


I meant for whoever is biased. We don't have alien judges in real life so we've developed some thought techniques for removing our baises.

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I meant for whoever is biased. We don't have alien judges in real life so we've developed some thought techniques for removing our baises.


the 'alien" is someone who is not in the story, so that someone read the story, and make judgment.

it is like the judge in the court...there are two party, the defense lawyer and the prosecutor. I know in some place there is jury, but i take example in my country there is no jury. The judge is neutral, hearing from both side, then judge.

The judge cannot be someone who is from both side or either side, or his judgment will be questioned. either he is bias or not, it will be questioned, therefore his judgement fall.

Modifié par Nizaris1, 24 décembre 2012 - 03:08 .


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because we will play a default character, Warrior Inquisitor, Rogue Inquisitor or Mage Inquisitor, the same character only with different classes to choose.
They say there will be background, but it will be the same like Hawke.

Hawke had no "background" besides Legacy+headcanon...So I can't see how it will be "SAME as Hawke"...No matter what PC title would look like...

And also:
https://i.chzbgr.com...4608/h312CBFC0/

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thing is, that this works if judge have authority over both sides.

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Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Lemme try and explain some things here. In DA2 there was SUPPOSED to be a quest that explained why the temps ignored mage Hawke. This was cut. Mr. Gaider's plug talks of these cuts (not this one specifically but you get my point), they're not anyone's fault, they happen because of time/resource restraints or because they'd require too much work to implement etc.


Yes, by all means. Cut content that would actually explain why a third of your game behaves in a way that breaks immersion, feels dumb and is disconnected with the lore it tries to portray.

If DA2's development schedule was so aggressive that they had to leave out parts that were meant to make the product a properly cohesive piece of lore and storytelling, then that should have rung bells tolling higher than the music in a rave party! Up to your post I wasn't aware that an explanation for that situation even existed, much less that it had been held back, but the fact that they still went ahead and released the game knowing full well the gaping holes in it, is disheartening to say the least.

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Nizaris1 wrote...

I meant for whoever is biased. We don't have alien judges in real life so we've developed some thought techniques for removing our baises.


the 'alien" is someone who is not in the story, so that someone read the story, and make judgment.

it is like the judge in the court...there are two party, the defense lawyer and the prosecutor. I know in some place there is jury, but i take example in my country there is no jury. The judge is neutral, hearing from both side, then judge.

The judge cannot be someone who is from both side or either side, or his judgment will be questioned. either he is bias or not, it will be questioned, therefore his judgement fall.


Just because a judge might not be directly involved in the conflict doesn't mean they don't have any other biases at play: political, cultural, historical, personal etc. What I'm saying is a person can minimize or overcome these to render an objective judgment. And just because a decision might be controversial it doesn't mean it won't stand. I can fill this page with examples of that.

Modifié par Icesong, 24 décembre 2012 - 03:34 .


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secretsandlies wrote...

hmmm. thing is that Inquisition as it was still exists but as brute force of wardens as Templars and the Seekers - who like to use their brains more than muscles. So why ressurrect what is alive?

You know i just thought, that many people around here thinks that Inquisition is part of the Chantry. But what if =I= is a 3rd party organization?


That's more-or-less what I meant: the Inquisition in its original form no longer exists, as its functions were divided between the Seekers and the Templars. Although the name has plenty of negative connotations, and whatever purpose the organisation fulfilled historically, it is nonetheless perfectly possible for it to apply to a new group (perhaps, as you say, not even Chantry-controlled) whose function is to look into certain events and circmstances.

Organisations re-invent themselves all the time.

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Yeap pretty much. Also it would explain presence of mage pc as =I= member.

Because if i remember right Seekers are former templars. Which kills all chances for mage pc.

However as third party Organization, let say desciples of old ideals, =I= can exploit any possibilities to achieve their goals. Some thing is telling that mages are more sensible for Fade Rifts.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 24 décembre 2012 - 03:37 .


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Spedfrom wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Lemme try and explain some things here. In DA2 there was SUPPOSED to be a quest that explained why the temps ignored mage Hawke. This was cut. Mr. Gaider's plug talks of these cuts (not this one specifically but you get my point), they're not anyone's fault, they happen because of time/resource restraints or because they'd require too much work to implement etc.


Yes, by all means. Cut content that would actually explain why a third of your game behaves in a way that breaks immersion, feels dumb and is disconnected with the lore it tries to portray.

If DA2's development schedule was so aggressive that they had to leave out parts that were meant to make the product a properly cohesive piece of lore and storytelling, then that should have rung bells tolling higher than the music in a rave party! Up to your post I wasn't aware that an explanation for that situation even existed, much less that it had been held back, but the fact that they still went ahead and released the game knowing full well the gaping holes in it, is disheartening to say the least.

At least we know in this case that the main problem with the game is that it was rushed out with insufficient budget (though we do not have any idea how much time or money doing the game properly would have taken).

Movies also have problems due to cut scenes with less explanation - "Diamonds are forever" had a character suddenly turn up dead in a swimming pool wearing a wig with no explanation because a scene (in which Bond had her put on a wig to infiltrate the bad guys) was cut

Lets hope Dragon Age 3 gets the budget and development time needed

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Of course, the title merely tells us that the Inquisition will be a significant part of the story, It does not say whether the pc will be a member of the inquisition or fighting against the inquisition or...

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Nizaris1 wrote...

Personally i think it was very wrong of bioware to give mage pc the option to do blood magic in the first place as the story stands now but that may change, but over all yes you can have a neutral templar and a neutral mage, both of which can understand each others side yet fight for a better future for both, i think they might be doing this with cullen if im honest


That is the issue in my first post...

How Blood Magic specialization will co-exist and in harmony with Mage Inquisitor?


The same way it happened in Mass effect3 with the reapers.
In mass effect Sovereing* (*spelling) said every reapers was an entity, they had no masters but every one of them works for 1 end to harvest anything that could threaten them in this case, the moment one of the civilizations reached the citadel, in mass effect2 we see harbinger acting on his own taking the mind of one of the bugs and so on, in mass effect3 the stupid hologram said he controls the repaers..  ( wtf??!!?)meh.. there goes lore, reapers entities and whatever the hell they said in the first games..meh

So by that small exemple i said that an Andrastian Inquisitor blood-mage  working for the chantry, ready to get Thedas free of all blood-mages is..
Lore friendly!.....

No to me all i see is( $%#@#@!)

But who cares! is their game their story,  and if you like it you buy it, if not.. don't buy it.

Modifié par Huntress, 24 décembre 2012 - 03:59 .


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Nizaris1 wrote...

Inquisitor work for the Seeker


Not necessarily. I made an entire topic (which I know you posted in multiple times) about how this Inquisition was probably a new organisation. The devs have already confirmed that we don't serve the Chantry, and that we don't have to hold that institution's views.  

In fact, if Cassandra is in the party it's more evidence that we don't work for the Seekers, given that Justinia's faction of whatever is left of the Chantry is decidedly opposed to Lambert's Seekers.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 24 décembre 2012 - 04:07 .


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Allan Schumacher wrote...

Surely a Mage cannot be neutral, the one who can do that must be neutral.


Why not?


I played a fairly neutral Hawke and it was great. However despite all her best efforts to not get involved, she still did and it was great. That said, Mage Hawke being neutral is a bit like Clark Kent doning a Superman costume and leaping over tall buildings just to get to work everyday and hoping no one notices.

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BasilKarlo wrote...

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Automatically assuming that we are playing an Inquisitor based on the title, would be like assuming that we'd be one of the Awakened in Dragon Age: Awakening


The leaked feedback surveys identify the protagonist as The Inquisitor. Hardly confirmed at this point, but it would be very surprising if it turns out to be false considering the surveys gave us the game's title months before the game was announced.


Okay. Fair enough.

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@Nizaris I know I'm posting this a little late but the only reason the Qunari are still in Kirkwall in Act II was because they could not return to Par Vollen without the Tome of Koslun and the tome was still missing. A tome that was stolen by Isabella not Hawke. Hawke's involvement with the Qunari was started in Act 1 by Javaris' attempt to get the "gaatlok" from the Arishok not the Tal-Vashoth.

Hawke's involvement with the Qunari in Act II was at the Arishok's personal request to prevent a conflict between his people and whoever stole the saar-qamek. He asked for Hawke by name and explicitly told the Viscount to bugger off. That he would only deal with Hawke.

The reason they attacked the city was because Aveline coming for those elves was a final straw for the Arishok. He was not planning to attack the city all along, if he had he would have done it long ago, it was more of a "I've had it with this place and it's weak government. This place would be better if we ruled it" kind of thing. And after Javaris bugging him, that elf stealing the saar-gamek and poising part of the city in an attempt to blame the qunari, the murder of a envoy of his people to the viscount by religious zealot, Seamus murder at the hands of same zealots, and then Aveline coming for those elves that killed a city guard after said guard had raped their sister and the rest of the guard told them to bugger off when they tried to report it because they were elves (the Arishok gave them protection because he believed what they had done was right). And they did all of this while the qunari were trying to mind their own business. If anyone caused the problem it was the people of Kirkwall and some members of the Chantry not the Qunari. And in light of all that I can't say I can really blame the Qunari or the Arishok for trying to take over the city.

Also if you can disconnect gameplay from story and don't wear mage robes (but instead wear things like the Heavy Velvet Robes or the Free Mage Robes, that look like regular clothing) then believably playing a mage in Dragon Age 2 isn't that hard of a concept. I mean logically you wouldn't cast spells in front of Cullen, and if you can disconnect gameplay from story (like I can) then you would say that Hawke hadn't cast spells. It's not like you can tell a person is a mage just by looking at them. Carry the Staff of Parthalan (because it looks like a sword), wear the robes you start out with (Mercenary Light Strapping or whatever it's called), don't cast spells in the middle of the street, in other words, actually role play an apostate mage.

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Allan Schumacher wrote...

Just to nip this sort of response in the bud, don't use my word entirely as absolute gospel ammunition for the idea that "Kirkwall would be fine" is not at all plausible.

If someone wishes to think that Hawke was the catalyst that set all these events in motion, I think that that is fine. However, given what we know from the game lore, I do think that definitively stating that it would not have happened is something we cannot conclude.

Hawke wasn't a small time player, but the Qunari are already a boiling pot. There's no logical reason to definitively state that without Hawke's influence, the Qunari situation would never have escalated. Although I do think, given Hawke is the one that breaks it up, Hawke does prevent it from becoming much, much worse.


Did s/he? Hawke only took control because Orsino and Meredith wouldn´t stop arguing with the city literally burning around them (great clue for their stupididty in the 3rd act). I´d say both were more than powerful enough to deal with Arishok. Hell, Orsino even ignores qunari NM fire immunity <_<. Even then, I find hard to believe they would have kept arguing had Hawke not appeared so they could pass the responsibilty to someone they knew hardly anything about.

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Nerevar-as wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Just to nip this sort of response in the bud, don't use my word entirely as absolute gospel ammunition for the idea that "Kirkwall would be fine" is not at all plausible.

If someone wishes to think that Hawke was the catalyst that set all these events in motion, I think that that is fine. However, given what we know from the game lore, I do think that definitively stating that it would not have happened is something we cannot conclude.

Hawke wasn't a small time player, but the Qunari are already a boiling pot. There's no logical reason to definitively state that without Hawke's influence, the Qunari situation would never have escalated. Although I do think, given Hawke is the one that breaks it up, Hawke does prevent it from becoming much, much worse.


Did s/he? Hawke only took control because Orsino and Meredith wouldn´t stop arguing with the city literally burning around them (great clue for their stupididty in the 3rd act). I´d say both were more than powerful enough to deal with Arishok. Hell, Orsino even ignores qunari NM fire immunity <_<. Even then, I find hard to believe they would have kept arguing had Hawke not appeared so they could pass the responsibilty to someone they knew hardly anything about.


And yet, the quanri are either defeated by Hawke, or they leave peacefully with the Tome of Koslun an Isabella in tow. 

I kind of see this as a parallel to the events leading up to the American Civil War. Notably one event, known in history as Bleeding Kansas.  

Bleeding Kansas was a proxy war over border territories created by the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854, which had a ton of outbursts of open fighting for five-six years until Kansas was instituted as a free state into the union. The reason for it was of course Slavery, but it claimed 56 lives because gurellia fighters kept murdering people both pro and against slavery rights. 

And the worst part is that it was a solution that never resolved. It was small-time skirmishes yes, but it would be a pre-curser to things to come in less than ten years. The only reason it didn't spread was because congress was balanced enough where slavery was a deadlocked issue, literally to the point where states were always admitted in pairs, so that the U.S Senate had even numbers pro and anti-slavery. 

Another reason open war didn't happen was due to the death of one man, John Brown. He was responsible for most of the upheval...and he got his cumuppance a few years later when he attempted to capture a union fort to arm slaves and coax them into rebellion. He would be executed for this but it made abolitionists decree him as a martyr, despite him literally chopping people to death because they owned slaves.

My point is, it is easy to see Hawke diffusing a situation for the short term. Long term though he is screwed,and I think we all know that. But he may have bought the Free Marches and the rest of Thedas some more time, especially considering the fact that the Qunari are likely planning some sort of attack, if the numerous hints by Sten and the Arishok are to be believed. 

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My general belief would be that Hawke's presence saved the hostages. Without Hawke, an at least somewhat worthy adversary, the Arishok would surely have tried to use the hostages to make Meredith back off - that's the whole point of assembling all these nobles in the keep, surely. Meredith wouldn't have cared, the Arishok would kill the hostages, then Meredith + Templars + Orsino kill him.

Then Meredith takes over Kirkwall, probably more totally given that such a big chunk of the cities leadership has been wiped out. Then a butterfly flaps it's wings in Fereldan and a hurricane flattens Minrathous.

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In the case of mages in the Inquisition I'd imagine that there would be sanctioned mages that work with the organization. Templars are trained to combat magical enemies but knowledge of magical lore and how to apply it would be the Circle's department. Not every mage is a rebel, there must be some on the Chantry's side.

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So let say, i have a friend who is a member of Al Qaeda, the best i can do is advise him/her to get out from Al Qaeda, but if ever USA anti-terrorist troop storm his/her house, i will defend him/her to death.


That's nice. But if you can't imagine someone else in your shoes doing something different, then there's nothing that can be said to convince you, but that's not mine or anyone else's fault.

This thread is very, very close to being closed due to the inclusion of real life political discussions, however.

That YOU would choose differently is actually irrelevant. It doesn't mean that everyone agrees with your perspective.


The judge cannot be someone who is from both side or either side, or his judgment will be questioned. either he is bias or not, it will be questioned, therefore his judgement fall.


This doesn't present a logical restriction to a mage heading up the Inquisition. Even if we assume all your assumptions are true (they aren't), a desperate Chantry can still appoint a mage if they feel it's the best thing in helping stop the war. Saying it absolutely cannot be done and is illogical is incorrect. I can logically construe a plethora of reasons for doing so.

Of course, you continue to assume that the Inquisition is intricately linked to the Chantry, even though there are many logical avenues available to you that doesn't require that. You just choose to not go down those roads.

The real question starts to become: why do you not acknowledge other possibilities?

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it is funny why you are using word 'sanctioned'. I was thinking about the same. Funny thing! I saw somewhere that DA setting inspired by A Song of Ice and Fire. However as a follower of The Eightfold Path i think DA setting draws it's ideas from warhammer 40k setting.

Too many similar things and ideas.