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magnetite wrote...


Throw in a LI reunion like what MEHEM did, and those who thought Shepard deserved better go away feeling "Yes! We did it!"


That doesn't fit the theme of the third game. It's a war story, where billions of lives have been extinguished by Reapers. It's got a ton of dark content.



war stories are about the war hero, who defeats the enemies and returns victorious.

anti war stories are about a war participant, who returns broken after the war.


dark content does not justify the mindless killing of the protagonist in 2,5 of 3 en dings. if you want the plot to involve personal sacrifice, you have to build it up accordingly - not force it on the player in the last 5 minutes and you should give the player the chance to bypass it. dragon age did this very well.


the reunion may not fit to your shepard - but it does fit to others out there. it also fits the theme of the series - impossible odds are there, to be overcome. just like peace between quarians and geth, as well as redemption for the krogan race.

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And you are welcomed to all the dark content you want.

Apparenty, I played a very different game where dispite centuries of hatred and bigotry, the Galaxy's Races banded together.

Despite fear and selfishness, one sacrificed his life to give his racial enemies hope for the future.

Despite all the deaths happening at the galactic scale, one person, stood up and said "No, we won't lay down and die, quietly into the night." and gave hope to many without even that of their own survival.

I played a game that over the course of 5 years, and three episodes, told me that there us value in tbe human spirit, that one can do the impossible, and that I didn't have to resort to betrayal nor use the enemies' tactics to win. (well up to thst last 10 mins)

I played a game of hope.
What game did you play?


Your vision for the game was a lot different than the writers had. It's their game and their story. Not sure if you read the license agreement, but by installing the game, you agree to use it as is (without changing it). As a consumer though, you are entitled to a refund or an exchange. Does not give the consumer the right in order to have the product bend to their wishes though.   

Some people were perfectly okay with the ending, so if some people liked it then the whole "didn't get what I paid for" is an isolated incident and not something that affects everyone. It's an entitlement issue.

Official statement straight from the developers

That should put people's ending stuff to rest. Third paragraph relates to "fan entitlement".

Modifié par magnetite, 23 décembre 2012 - 06:15 .


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Archonsg wrote...

Defenders of the "impossible win" scenario simply ignore the fact that it was written as such.
The Crucible could have been the key to drop all reaper sheilds, scramble reaper systems (as shown possible in Leviathan) but the writers chose instead to force a "no win, reapers can't be beat" situation on us.

Reapers *have an off switch*. 
Or is Leviathan invalid?


So you're only praising thr Refuse speech, rather than actually Refusing? Got it.

And the Reapers sure looked beat to me in Control and Destroy. Dead or enslaved isn't beat?

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:41 .


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Dr_Extrem wrote...
war stories are about the war hero, who defeats the enemies and returns victorious.

Except when they're about the war hero laying down his life to get the job done.  Tom Hanks died in Private Ryan, for example.

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How many time will they have to repeat that they are done with the endings?

The moment Casey himself asked if we would prefer ME4 to be a sequel that ALL went out of the door ... because any sequel will expand on the ending by definition.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Defenders of the "impossible win" scenario simply ignore the fact that it was written as such.
The Crucible could have been the key to drop all reaper sheilds, scramble reaper systems (as shown possible in Leviathan) but the writers chose instead to force a "no win, reapers can't be beat" situation on us.

Reapers *have an off switch*. 
Or is Leviathan invalid?


So you're only praising thr Refuse speech, rather than actually Refusing? Got it.

And the Reapers sure looked beat to me in Control and Destroy. Dead or enslaved isn't beat?


Only in destroy.
It is the only choice where the Reapers are removed entirely.

Note that Shepard at the point of choice cannot know that. All he (or she) has is some Reaper AI telling him to go kill himself if Shepard wants this to happen.

As for control, I still have to point out that the entity controlling the Reapers is *not* Shepard, but a construct mimicing Shepard, created by the AI, who made the Reapers.

And no one finds anything wrong with this?

Modifié par Archonsg, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:59 .


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I love how people still think the people upset with the ending still are the vocal minority

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crimzontearz wrote...

I love how people still think the people upset with the ending still are the vocal minority


What makes you think they aren't?

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john_sheparrd wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I love how people still think the people upset with the ending still are the vocal minority


What makes you think they aren't?



 
Look at the result of every poll both internal and external


 
Right now on this one 150+ people want this dlc to affect the ending and 26 don't

Modifié par crimzontearz, 23 décembre 2012 - 06:13 .


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sw04ca wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...
war stories are about the war hero, who defeats the enemies and returns victorious.

Except when they're about the war hero laying down his life to get the job done.  Tom Hanks died in Private Ryan, for example.


bad example - saving private ryan was an anti war story. but yes .. there are exaptions from the rule.

if you have a game that is about choices, you are in the wonderful position to write different outcomes for the hero. mass effect 3, has 2,5 outcomes (for the hero), who are the same - the hero does not return. and in the 0,5th ending, the hero only might return ...

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Archonsg wrote...
Only in destroy.
It is the only choice where the Reapers are removed entirely.

Note that Shepard at the point of choice cannot know that. All he (or she) has is some Reaper AI telling him to go kill himself if Shepard wants this to happen.

And all you have is Destroy is that enemy telling him to do something if he wants to Destroy the Reapers. That thing might not get Shep killed, but that's trivial.

I'll agree that Control is a bit riskier than Destroy at face-value, sure. It's like DA:O's DR.

As for control, I still have to point out that the entity controlling the Reapers is *not* Shepard, but a construct mimicing Shepard, created by the AI, who made the Reapers.

And no one finds anything wrong with this?


The Stargazer doesn't.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 décembre 2012 - 06:37 .


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magnetite wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

And you are welcomed to all the dark content you want.

Apparenty, I played a very different game where dispite centuries of hatred and bigotry, the Galaxy's Races banded together.

Despite fear and selfishness, one sacrificed his life to give his racial enemies hope for the future.

Despite all the deaths happening at the galactic scale, one person, stood up and said "No, we won't lay down and die, quietly into the night." and gave hope to many without even that of their own survival.

I played a game that over the course of 5 years, and three episodes, told me that there us value in tbe human spirit, that one can do the impossible, and that I didn't have to resort to betrayal nor use the enemies' tactics to win. (well up to thst last 10 mins)

I played a game of hope.
What game did you play?


Your vision for the game was a lot different than the writers had. It's their game and their story. Not sure if you read the license agreement, but by installing the game, you agree to use it as is (without changing it). As a consumer though, you are entitled to a refund or an exchange. Does not give the consumer the right in order to have the product bend to their wishes though.   

Some people were perfectly okay with the ending, so if some people liked it then the whole "didn't get what I paid for" is an isolated incident and not something that affects everyone. It's an entitlement issue.


That might be true if ME1 and 2 didn't allow the illusion of choice or to play out very different success or failures. ME2's suicide mission is the best example of this. I have a save stashed that has Shepard dead. Yes, *DEAD*, so no, I do not need ME3 to have Shepard alive at the end. I also have the true hero, saved every damned person I care about (minus plot deaths) win from ME2.

In ME3 its death for Shepard all round, and yes, that is a corpse on ground in Destroy because unlike some here, who espouse "realism" but won't accept that for Shepard to be there, on rubble when last seen on the Citadel, in orbit ... lets just say the human body can only take so much blunt trauma without immediate medical attention before it expires, not to mention a severe case of dead due to extended vacuum exposure, planetary re-entry and already severe blood loss.


Anways, getting side tracked.
While it might be true that Bioware owns the game and story, as a consumer and fan who want to see them succeed, not just in making a good game but in the process financially, a game *should* at least give the player choices (especially for an RPG, where player emotional investment is high) to not just fudge the "win" as they did with ME2, but to win in entirety.

ME3 didn't do that and paid the price.
Just how much, we won't know.
But I am pretty sure it is a significant number.
But who knows, I can be wrong and EA/Bioware is swimming in goodwill letters, fan approval and more importantly, profit from sales.

/shrugs

As a fan since Shattered Steel days, as someone who do not think twice in paying for subscriptions for 5 SWTOR accounts (yes, my family are geeks and gamers) and yes, my children talk and recommend to their friends, I want to see Bioware make better games for me and my family to enjoy.

Recent response and veiled insults however, tells me as a customer, to go elsewhere.

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the Stargazer presumably lived all his life under ShepReaper's rule and never knew any other way.

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iakus wrote...

the Stargazer presumably lived all his life under ShepReaper's rule and never knew any other way.


If someone wants to headcanon that's some sort of horrible dystopia we're seeing, he can. There's zero actual evidence that's the case, of course.

You can also headcanon horrible things happening in Destroy too, if that's your thing.

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The stargazer isn't really working in any scenario. But that's why pencils have erasers.

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magnetite wrote...

Throw in a LI reunion like what MEHEM did, and those who thought Shepard deserved better go away feeling "Yes! We did it!"


That doesn't fit the theme of the third game. It's a war story, where billions of lives have been extinguished by Reapers, not to mention has a ton of dark content.

Thank God we have the story and the ending in the hands of professional writers. 

Indeed. So many terrible ideas on here.

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I'd rather dinosaur DLC.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

magnetite wrote...


Throw in a LI reunion like what MEHEM did, and those who thought Shepard deserved better go away feeling "Yes! We did it!"



That doesn't fit the theme of the third game. It's a war story, where billions of lives have been extinguished by Reapers, not to mention has a ton of dark content.

Thank God we have the story and the ending in the hands of professional writers. 

Indeed. So many terrible ideas on here.

and so many trolls in shining armors too.


 
To many that ending would fit the series theme, deal with it. Honestly at this I hope they do it partly to come back here and pull a Nelson on selfish trolls in shining armor like you

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crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

magnetite wrote...


Throw in a LI reunion like what MEHEM did, and those who thought Shepard deserved better go away feeling "Yes! We did it!"



That doesn't fit the theme of the third game. It's a war story, where billions of lives have been extinguished by Reapers, not to mention has a ton of dark content.

Thank God we have the story and the ending in the hands of professional writers. 

Indeed. So many terrible ideas on here.

and so many trolls in shining armors too.


 
To many that ending would fit the series theme, deal with it. Honestly at this I hope they do it partly to come back here and pull a Nelson on selfish trolls in shining armor like you

And to many, what we have now fits the series' theme. Deal with it.

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crimzontearz wrote...


 
To many that ending would fit the series theme, deal with it. Honestly at this I hope they do it partly to come back here and pull a Nelson on selfish trolls in shining armor like you


Selfish? How so?

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ROFL. More of these "BW said something and even though the last 8 million things they told us were bald-faced lies, how can you not believe this one?!" types. Awesome.


Yea, Lying is in a community manager's job description.

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AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


 
To many that ending would fit the series theme, deal with it. Honestly at this I hope they do it partly to come back here and pull a Nelson on selfish trolls in shining armor like you


Selfish? How so?

because by simply not installing the new DLC they would still have an ending they like...and we, conversely, ALSO would have an ending we like. Not even wanting this is selfish

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Did Brovikk just agree with someone who's an IT supporter?

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AresKeith wrote...

Did Brovikk just agree with someone who's an IT supporter?

I don't know. What he said was true.

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Well they would get more sales that way as those that love the ending already will buy it regardless, but come on people we know deep down inside they are done with the ending..." Further the legend that is shepard through dlc "........, pre ending not post they're trying to say...shame really as i used to always buy ME dlc, my wallet thanks me tho as didnt miss nothing with leviathan/omega...this is no different... " all the writers, tears " mwahaha pre release build up of which iv'e learned to see through