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[pmac_tk421]

Fine. Don't buy the game. We won't miss you.

[IanPolaris]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

Fine. Don't buy the game. We won't miss you.

I don't intend to (at least not right away and certainly not until I've been able to get a good idea of what it's like first).  That said, that doesn't mean what I said was at all invalid.

-Polaris

[Orian Tabris]

Probably my only demand would be: relationships with companions, or no buy. Other than that (short of completely horrible reviews) I'm all good for whatever BioWare throws at me. If I get Cullen - as a companion - thrown at me, then I'd just suck it up, and maybe complain once or twice here on the DA3 forum.

[Steppenwolf]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

It doesn't really matter if Origins cost more to produce though. We're talking about consumer appeal. And I can guarantee you no one at Bioware was enthusiastic about DA2 selling less than half as many units as Origins just because it cost less to make.

They could be much happier that they made more money overall on DA2 than they did on DAO. But hey, that's just speculation. Just like what you're doing.

But that's not what I said, is it?

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Going back to the original point of the topic, they've already decided that they are sticking with a voiced protagonist. And, as you can see from the posts in this very thread, there are supporters for the voiced protagonist as well as those who dislike it, and even posts from people who have no strong feelings one way or the other.

If you wish to continue trying to "prove" the voiced protagonist is a bad idea by appealing to your and others' false consensus bias, go right ahead. Far be it from me (or fact) to stand in your way. That windmill ain't gonna tilt itself.

You and Exile would make the perfect pair.
I never tried to convince anyone that one system was better than the other. I merely used decuctive reasoning to conclude that one of the Dragon Age games was much more successful than the other and that emulating the systems of the more successful game makes more sense than emulating those of the less successful game. Why the two of you feel the need to try to twist my words into anything more than that I do not know.

[hoorayforicecream]

Edit: Probably not worth it. Also probably overly combative. Feel free to keep tilting.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 26 décembre 2012 - 05:25 .

[Neon Rising Winter]

BasilKarlo wrote...
I never tried to convince anyone that one system was better than the other. I merely used decuctive reasoning to conclude that one of the Dragon Age games was much more successful than the other and that emulating the systems of the more successful game makes more sense than emulating those of the less successful game. Why the two of you feel the need to try to twist my words into anything more than that I do not know.

Inductive reasoning, not deductive. With the inherent issues that ensue.

[AtreiyaN7]

Here's my demand: that they ignore the OP's silly stipulation.

[Steppenwolf]

Narrow Margin wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
I never tried to convince anyone that one system was better than the other. I merely used decuctive reasoning to conclude that one of the Dragon Age games was much more successful than the other and that emulating the systems of the more successful game makes more sense than emulating those of the less successful game. Why the two of you feel the need to try to twist my words into anything more than that I do not know.

Inductive reasoning, not deductive. With the inherent issues that ensue.

That's incorrect. I started with the general idea that DAO outsold DA2 more than twofold and came to the specific conclusion that DAO did something for consumers that DA2 did not.

[Steppenwolf]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Edit: Probably not worth it. Also probably overly combative. Feel free to keep tilting.

My own posts support me. You and Exile keep insisting that I've written things that don't even appear in this thread.

[iOnlySignIn]

While I prefer a voiced PC, I don't see why we cannot specifically turn off the PC's voice.

But Gaider has explicitly stated that they will not even make that an option.

So yeah, OP I guess you're saving a few dozen bucks. Grats.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 26 décembre 2012 - 05:35 .

[Neon Rising Winter]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
I never tried to convince anyone that one system was better than the other. I merely used decuctive reasoning to conclude that one of the Dragon Age games was much more successful than the other and that emulating the systems of the more successful game makes more sense than emulating those of the less successful game. Why the two of you feel the need to try to twist my words into anything more than that I do not know.

Inductive reasoning, not deductive. With the inherent issues that ensue.

That's incorrect. I started with the general idea that DAO outsold DA2 more than twofold and came to the specific conclusion that DAO did something for consumers that DA2 did not.

Ah, misunderstanding. I was working with the post quoted where you said one game being more successful than the other was part of your conclusion, not your premise.

Now, to avoid derailing by not addressing the voiced protagonist issue at all, while I'd happily agree with your premise, to pick out the voiced protagonist as a major issue feels random. From discussions here that's coming across as a matter of personal taste. I'd think any effects of that would me masked by issues like reused environments which absolutely no one likes and kills the word of mouth approval that seemed to keep DA:O selling. With plenty of changes between DA:O and DA2 as candidate issues, what makes you pick voiced protagonist out?

[Steppenwolf]

Narrow Margin wrote...

Ah, misunderstanding. I was working with the post quoted where you said one game being more successful than the other was part of your conclusion, not your premise.

Now, to avoid derailing by not addressing the voiced protagonist issue at all, while I'd happily agree with your premise, to pick out the voiced protagonist as a major issue feels random. From discussions here that's coming across as a matter of personal taste. I'd think any effects of that would me masked by issues like reused environments which absolutely no one likes and kills the word of mouth approval that seemed to keep DA:O selling. With plenty of changes between DA:O and DA2 as candidate issues, what makes you pick voiced protagonist out?

I think something that's being lost in this game of telephone is that I was merely responding to the notion that it would be "retarded" for DA3 to feature a silent PC, as another poster offered. Offensive use of the term aside, it simply makes no sense from a logical standpoint to conclude that sticking with the voiced PC is so much smarter that to do otherwise would be retarded. I never picked out the silent PC as a major reason for Origins greater success and very plainly stated that my view is that the response to each of the games is due to the sum of their respective parts and not a single feature.

Filament wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

That's
incorrect. I started with the general idea that DAO outsold DA2 more
than twofold and came to the specific conclusion that DAO did something
for consumers that DA2 did not. 

Looks to me like you
went from specific examples of DA2 doing "poorly" (questionable in
itself) and DAO doing well to come to the general conclusion that DAO is
"what people want" in all facets, which is a grossly oversimplified
analysis of the facts tbh.

I never said DA2 did poorly, I said it was a relative failure when compared to Origins in number of units sold. That's not my opinion. DA2 sold less than half as many units as Origins. It cannot be argued that DA2 has greater appeal than Origins or that Origins has less appeal than DA2 so there is nothing wrong with my conclusion.

[BonFire5]

Hawke sounded pretty much how I would've liked him to sound, and a lot like how I imagined my Warden would've. DA:O bugged me with the no voice thing, sure we're role playing, but I just only imagine my Warden as a mute most of the time, since the face barely moves either.

[Steppenwolf]

krul2k wrote...

ppl with there eyes constantly closed to the future yet open to the past are shutting themselfs off to half of what they can accomplish 

New doesn't always mean better. I thought the Mass Effect games got worse each time, with only ME1 being a great game. And while I didn't hate DA2, I thought it did almost everything wrong in trying to emulate Mass Effect and other games that IMO have no business influencing Dragon Age.

[Face of Evil]

I prefer a voiced PC, as I don't project myself onto a voiceless mime. I just wonder why they're mute.

[Neon Rising Winter]

BasilKarlo wrote...

I think something that's being lost in this game of telephone is that I was merely responding to the notion that it would be "retarded" for DA3 to feature a silent PC, as another poster offered. Offensive use of the term aside, it simply makes no sense from a logical standpoint to conclude that sticking with the voiced PC is so much smarter that to do otherwise would be retarded. I never picked out the silent PC as a major reason for Origins greater success and very plainly stated that my view is that the response to each of the games is due to the sum of their respective parts and not a single feature.

Fair enough, sorry, I had lost that as being your point. Which leaves me pretty much agreeing with you as personally I think either option can work. I have a personal preference for voiced, and I think the more defined nature of the PC in DA2 meant it was the better choice there. For a game more like DA:O I can see either working.

[addiction21]

IanPolaris wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

[ There must not be a repeat of what happened to ME3 where you had to do Multiplayer in order to get the best reward in the game (Master and Commander Acheivement) 
-Polaris

What was so great about that achievement?

It reflected the best possible ending (at least for a lot of people), i.e. Shepard "lives".  It's also so not the point.  The point is that you should not have to play MP to get all possible endings, and especially not if Bioware specifically promises you won't have to.

-Polaris

If by best you mean getting the most points or filling some gauge... then I guess you are right.