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[ash the rpgamer]

this is purely my opinion and i'd like to see what you all think about this too this isn't supposed to be a complaint this is just what i think.

i picked Dragon Age up on boxing day, put it in the ps3 and i was still sitting there 12 hours later, what a fantastic game DAO is, i spent ages going through every dialogue option with my favourite characters, even on my 5th playthrough i still wouldn't skip the cutscenes.
probably has the best characters in a videogame that i've ever seen, and the only time ive actually got sort of attached to characters, which is credit to the writers really, that they make you feel for the characters.

i was looking forward to RtO and that was delayed so i was abit disappointed but happy it would be bug free when its eventually released.
I saw later that an expansion had been officially announced, and i was . it looked and sounded great.

however its now become clear that we will only have 1 companion from DAO available in the party(most likely Oghren), some characters may be there but not in the party.

So essentially whats happening is we get 5 new companions, and all of the others are scrapped, all the choices we chose, all the romance options and all the time speaking to companions and getting to know them has been for nothing. what was the point of even speaking to alistair/zevran/leliana?
I chose to go travelling with Leliana, so naturally i'd expected her to still be in the expansions, but instead she will either be killed off or leave for whatever reason bioware make up. same thing happening to zevran and all the other companions.
for me personally, what set dragon age apart was the party and companions, the great characters and the choices you could make, now all of them except 1 will be unplayable(and the 1 that is being Oghren, 1 of the least liked).
fair enough we are getting new companions but i think to completely disregard all of them especially the romance options is disgraceful.99% of people are against the removal of all the old companions, does that make a difference to bioware? doesn't seem to.

i and many others just feel that many of the choices we made were irrelevent, the romance options we decided on and our epilogues were for nothing and have been tossed aside.
don't get me wrong a fantastic game it is, but i now struggle to play it because you just know that most of what you are doing, the people you are with etc means nothing because bioware will make up some reason for them all to disappear so you can't use them in the expansion.

its just effectively spoilt the game for me, the companions were the heart of this game taking them out will essentially make this an average RPG, we are getting new 1's but im sure im not the only 1 thats extremely disappointed with the fact that our old companions have been removed to save on money and make it easier for bioware to add the expansion, characters like Leliana,zevran,shale are pretty much irreplaceable in this game, so i'd say around 90% of peoples favourite companions will be removed.

not much else to say really, im just very disappointed about this and didn't see it coming at all.

[uberman409]

It's just an expansion. If the SEQUEL leaves me w/o Leliana, I may personally track down BioWare's writers. XD

[ash the rpgamer]

uberman409 wrote...

It's just an expansion. If the SEQUEL leaves me w/o Leliana, I may personally track down BioWare's writers. XD

it may just be an expansion, but if all of the characters bar 1 are not in this expansion chances are they will be killed off or will just leave for whatever reason bioware decide, and that means they won't be in other expansions or future DLC for DAO, so the earliest time you'll be able to use your old favourite companions will be DA2(which i'd guess is at least 18 months or more away)

if they do make a return in DA2, then i'd perhaps not mind as much, but if they are killed off im sure i won't be the only 1 trading this game in, Leliana,Zevran etc can't be replaced imo

[BlastedLands]

with you there. not only because i myself would've rather get companions to ADD to your party, but as well because i think it's wasted potential. the game just felt so right, and would've made a really epic series, which feels a little poor to me, when the setup's changing steadily.

edit: excuse my creative syntax, i get confused with english when i'm slightly upset and can't order my thoughts...

Modifié par Haerja, 06 janvier 2010 - 10:18 .

[MEUTRIERE]

Now, although much of the speculation has legitimate reasoning behind it, remember: it's just speculation.  Thus far we've been given what, one announcement and a 1:38 second trailer?  Yes, the trailer did seem to feature Oghren as the playable character, but we can't be certain from a glimpse into the game.  Nothing has been confirmed on that subject, so everything remains possible.  As it's been said many times before, you can't expect ALL choices from DA:O to be featured in a 1:38 second trailer.  Your choices very well may affect the game.

Or maybe they won't.  In the end, we just don't know yet.  If you don't want your game to be ruined by this expansion, then there's a simple solution.  Don't get it.

[ejoslin]

You know, it is a testament to the game that so many of us are upset that we may be losing Zev/Lel/Al and definitely won't be adventuring with Zev or Lel. But those romances were so complete, how could they actually add to them? "Happily ever after" is great, but you can't make a long video game about it, and I'd rather have Zevran be an NPC than die or break up or do whatever drama would be necessary to keep the story at least somewhat interesting.

[Chaser01]

Well we know at some point in a future expansion we will see morrigan as to the ring you recieve from her.I too am at a loss for words when referring to Allister and Leliana,hopefully they will also return in another expansion.I see this game ongoing for quite some time don't you agree?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Expansions have limited budjet. It's an awesome thing that they are bringing 5 more characters, do you wish them to bring all the old ones back as well?



Be feasible. If only one old character is allowed to return, then it should be Oghren and not any of the romance options. Why? Because everyone will complain that their romance wasn't there.



Alistair is going to appear, it is possible that some of them will make a cameo apperance. Bioware did not say you won't be seeing your old pals. They said only one of them is in your party. LEt's wait for additional info before we complain ,shall we?

[ash the rpgamer]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

Now, although much of the speculation has legitimate reasoning behind it, remember: it's just speculation.  Thus far we've been given what, one announcement and a 1:38 second trailer?  Yes, the trailer did seem to feature Oghren as the playable character, but we can't be certain from a glimpse into the game.  Nothing has been confirmed on that subject, so everything remains possible.  As it's been said many times before, you can't expect ALL choices from DA:O to be featured in a 1:38 second trailer.  Your choices very well may affect the game.

Or maybe they won't.  In the end, we just don't know yet.  If you don't want your game to be ruined by this expansion, then there's a simple solution.  Don't get it.

read this topic and its posts that tells you exactly what you need to know  http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8

don't get me wrong i love DAO but i feel by removing such popular and awesome characters they are ruining the game, i could live with them just not being in this expansion, but if this is the end for characters like Leliana and Zevran the game won't be the same

[SDNcN]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

this is purely my opinion and i'd like to see what you all think about this too this isn't supposed to be a complaint this is just what i think.

i picked Dragon Age up on boxing day, put it in the ps3 and i was still sitting there 12 hours later, what a fantastic game DAO is, i spent ages going through every dialogue option with my favourite characters, even on my 5th playthrough i still wouldn't skip the cutscenes.
probably has the best characters in a videogame that i've ever seen, and the only time ive actually got sort of attached to characters, which is credit to the writers really, that they make you feel for the characters.

i was looking forward to RtO and that was delayed so i was abit disappointed but happy it would be bug free when its eventually released.
I saw later that an expansion had been officially announced, and i was . it looked and sounded great.

however its now become clear that we will only have 1 companion from DAO available in the party(most likely Oghren), some characters may be there but not in the party.

So essentially whats happening is we get 5 new companions, and all of the others are scrapped, all the choices we chose, all the romance options and all the time speaking to companions and getting to know them has been for nothing. what was the point of even speaking to alistair/zevran/leliana?
I chose to go travelling with Leliana, so naturally i'd expected her to still be in the expansions, but instead she will either be killed off or leave for whatever reason bioware make up. same thing happening to zevran and all the other companions.
for me personally, what set dragon age apart was the party and companions, the great characters and the choices you could make, now all of them except 1 will be unplayable(and the 1 that is being Oghren, 1 of the least liked).
fair enough we are getting new companions but i think to completely disregard all of them especially the romance options is disgraceful.99% of people are against the removal of all the old companions, does that make a difference to bioware? doesn't seem to.

i and many others just feel that many of the choices we made were irrelevent, the romance options we decided on and our epilogues were for nothing and have been tossed aside.
don't get me wrong a fantastic game it is, but i now struggle to play it because you just know that most of what you are doing, the people you are with etc means nothing because bioware will make up some reason for them all to disappear so you can't use them in the expansion.

its just effectively spoilt the game for me, the companions were the heart of this game taking them out will essentially make this an average RPG, we are getting new 1's but im sure im not the only 1 thats extremely disappointed with the fact that our old companions have been removed to save on money and make it easier for bioware to add the expansion, characters like Leliana,zevran,shale are pretty much irreplaceable in this game, so i'd say around 90% of peoples favourite companions will be removed.

not much else to say really, im just very disappointed about this and didn't see it coming at all.

Maybe if they are still around in your game, they just aren't in an active enough role to warrent them being a full group member anymore?

The expansion is about rebuilding the Grey Wardens in Feralden, to my knowledge none of the party members save for Alistair or Loghain can ever actually become full Wardens in any of the endings.

Should they bring back the old companions (who could be dead, gone, or don't actually know the new main character) fully into the group, or would it be a better use of those slots to bring in new characters that are apart of or join the Grey Wardens?

I am not saying the characters shouldn't be around if your ending warrents it,  the one with Zevran ending up training new Grey Wardens comes to mind, but having them become a secondary character isn't a bad thing.

Modifié par SDNcN, 06 janvier 2010 - 10:27 .

[ash the rpgamer]

i still am disappointed that the romance options like Leliana/Zevran aren't included as party members, after all they can both help rebuild the wardens i believe, just seems stupid that they couldn't even allow you 1 old companion(who we actually like, not Oghren)

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Have they confirmed Oghren? No... as previously said, it is just speculation, we haven't had anything 100% officially confirmed on the party front yet so how about a bit of patience before complaining?

[Zafireria]

The romance choices and all the work we did on the character, might only have been intended for the first game and not the expansion. So we could kill the dragon and get a lot of ending options.

No one has ever said that we were suppose to use it further than the first game.

[ash the rpgamer]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Have they confirmed Oghren? No... as previously said, it is just speculation, we haven't had anything 100% officially confirmed on the party front yet so how about a bit of patience before complaining?

http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8 if you've read that link you know that there is only ONE returning from DAO, either way alot of people will be very disappointed and its highly likely it is Oghren as hes the only 1 which cannot die in the epilogue(bar morrigan)

[BlastedLands]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Have they confirmed Oghren? No... as previously said, it is just speculation, we haven't had anything 100% officially confirmed on the party front yet so how about a bit of patience before complaining?

well, i don't think it's about ohgren, people are just a tad dissapointed, that they won't have their buddies, to whom
 they grew attached. which seems to be a fact.

[SinYang]

If it were other options, such as romance choices those being Leliana/Zevran. Would mean two returning. Confirming 1 naturally means dismissing these choices.

The trailer hints at red hair dwarf, Oghren is only single character that isnt too involved in anything.
If not Oghren then its the dog.. cant say thats any better.

Modifié par SinYang, 06 janvier 2010 - 10:37 .

[MEUTRIERE]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

MEUTRIERE wrote...

Now, although much of the speculation has legitimate reasoning behind it, remember: it's just speculation.  Thus far we've been given what, one announcement and a 1:38 second trailer?  Yes, the trailer did seem to feature Oghren as the playable character, but we can't be certain from a glimpse into the game.  Nothing has been confirmed on that subject, so everything remains possible.  As it's been said many times before, you can't expect ALL choices from DA:O to be featured in a 1:38 second trailer.  Your choices very well may affect the game.

Or maybe they won't.  In the end, we just don't know yet.  If you don't want your game to be ruined by this expansion, then there's a simple solution.  Don't get it.

read this topic and its posts that tells you exactly what you need to know  http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8

don't get me wrong i love DAO but i feel by removing such popular and awesome characters they are ruining the game, i could live with them just not being in this expansion, but if this is the end for characters like Leliana and Zevran the game won't be the same

Kayso, your choices do affect the game... isn't that what you wanted?  I'm sure the characters' fates will be decided accordingly, based on your choices.

Personally, I'll be happy so long as my human noble remains queen.  If not, THEN I'll give you the right to be outraged.

[ash the rpgamer]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

MEUTRIERE wrote...

Now, although much of the speculation has legitimate reasoning behind it, remember: it's just speculation.  Thus far we've been given what, one announcement and a 1:38 second trailer?  Yes, the trailer did seem to feature Oghren as the playable character, but we can't be certain from a glimpse into the game.  Nothing has been confirmed on that subject, so everything remains possible.  As it's been said many times before, you can't expect ALL choices from DA:O to be featured in a 1:38 second trailer.  Your choices very well may affect the game.

Or maybe they won't.  In the end, we just don't know yet.  If you don't want your game to be ruined by this expansion, then there's a simple solution.  Don't get it.

read this topic and its posts that tells you exactly what you need to know  http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8

don't get me wrong i love DAO but i feel by removing such popular and awesome characters they are ruining the game, i could live with them just not being in this expansion, but if this is the end for characters like Leliana and Zevran the game won't be the same

Kayso, your choices do affect the game... isn't that what you wanted?  I'm sure the characters' fates will be decided accordingly, based on your choices.

Personally, I'll be happy so long as my human noble remains queen.  If not, THEN I'll give you the right to be outraged.

but thats the point, its not my choice, my choice was Leliana travelling/rebuilding the wardens, same with Zevran. so it means nothing what i chose, its being written over by bioware to make the expansion easy to add.
that choice i made, won't affect the game at all, it was a pointless choice

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Have they confirmed Oghren? No... as previously said, it is just speculation, we haven't had anything 100% officially confirmed on the party front yet so how about a bit of patience before complaining?

http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8 if you've read that link you know that there is only ONE returning from DAO, either way alot of people will be very disappointed and its highly likely it is Oghren as hes the only 1 which cannot die in the epilogue(bar morrigan)

Erm... wrong

You can actually tell Oghren to get lost.

Also despite a fair few of his epilogues resulting in him staying on at Denerim there are others where he wanders off just as much as the others.

Another fact, Baudoin was very open as to whom is returning as all he said was someone seen in origins is a companion. He never actually stated it was a party member. So it could be a number of people.

As to why not all the party members are returning, I am sure we will learn in time why this might not be the case. The expansion only got announced yesterday officially, as said before patience young grasshopper

[Ieldra]

Is it confirmed we'll get Oghren? Ugh. I can live with important characters not returning even though I won't like it, but the one returning should be one I can actually like a bit. Well, OK, Wynne would be as bad. Sten would be back in his homeland with no reason to reappear. Shale depends on DLC and is consequently out. And imagine the outcry if one romanceable character would appear but not the others. That leaves the dog, I guess.

[TripleOwned]

I've seen that over the forum quite a few number of people are annoyed that possibly only Oghren will be a returning member of the original party; but you have to take to account that the chances are that this is the only official expansion pack are very slim. I bet that other characters such as zevran, leliana and morrigan will most likely appear in future expansions.



On a lighter note i hope that there is a new romance in the part, i had great fun getting to know characters such as morrigan or leliana (in a more closer way ). XD

[elys]

More party members means more inter-companion dialogues (you know when they talk to each other while exploring).
That means the game have to get a lot of possible dialogues to match the team that the player uses such as:
Leliana talking to Zevran
Leliana talking to Shale
Zevran talking to Morrigan
and so on...

The more companions there is, a lot more possible dialogues combinations exist, which means a lot more of dialogues text work, as well as all the associated voice over (which also means even more voice artists required)

By limiting the number of possible character interaction by not allowing certain companions to be in the same team (in this particular, all the current ones but the lucky old one who get to play the new adventure), it allows them to focus more development time on the new character interactions.

Of course this is just speculations of my part, since they re maybe not really interaction at all in the new expansion which would nullify this argument

Modifié par elys, 06 janvier 2010 - 10:49 .

[ash the rpgamer]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Have they confirmed Oghren? No... as previously said, it is just speculation, we haven't had anything 100% officially confirmed on the party front yet so how about a bit of patience before complaining?

http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8 if you've read that link you know that there is only ONE returning from DAO, either way alot of people will be very disappointed and its highly likely it is Oghren as hes the only 1 which cannot die in the epilogue(bar morrigan)

Erm... wrong

You can actually tell Oghren to get lost.

Also despite a fair few of his epilogues resulting in him staying on at Denerim there are others where he wanders off just as much as the others.

Another fact, Baudoin was very open as to whom is returning as all he said was someone seen in origins is a companion. He never actually stated it was a party member. So it could be a number of people.

As to why not all the party members are returning, I am sure we will learn in time why this might not be the case. The expansion only got announced yesterday officially, as said before patience young grasshopper

its not wrong at all, with the exception of morrigan, Oghren is the only companion that lives no matter what choices you make, every other companion can die .
yes many can wander off, but they can all die, you have to meet oghren in order to complete the main questline characters like sten for example could be left in the cage to die, same with Leliana, alot of people may not even have shale, Oghren is the 100% guaranteed alive companion on everyones save file.

[Archonsg]

Actually, while I really do wish that Lelianna would be with me onwards into the expansion, I have to keep reminding myself that Bioware has made some very very interesting characters with *their own agenda* and mind. So yes, I might not like the idea of loosing Lelianna, but who is to say what she wants to do when you head off to rebuilt the wardens. David Gaider himself posted that due to budget and time, they can't write up for all characters to return as much as they would like to. He did not however say how many they DID write for. So while I still hope to have Lelianna with me in my party, I would understand and prefer that Bioware write another great story for that one or however few returning characters posibility then mash up a less then decent attempt, no?

[MEUTRIERE]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

i still am disappointed that the romance options like Leliana/Zevran aren't included as party members, after all they can both help rebuild the wardens i believe, just seems stupid that they couldn't even allow you 1 old companion(who we actually like, not Oghren)

You assume that all DA:O players like/dislike the same characters.  And you'd be wrong.  Personally, I found Leliana and her grating accent annoying, but Oghren hilarious.  Same with the constant Alistair battle; many find him whiny, dependent, and childish but I found him endearing.  Anyway, if Zevran were in the game, wouldn't you just complain about how Leliana isn't and vice-versa?

ash the rpgamer wrote...

but thats the point, its not my choice, my choice was Leliana
travelling/rebuilding the wardens, same with Zevran. so it means
nothing what i chose, its being written over by bioware to make the
expansion easy to add.
that choice i made, won't affect the game at all, it was a pointless choice

In my ending, I believe Leliana said she would return to Orlais to try and defeat Marjolaine once and for all (or something of the sort).  Who's to say she won't get herself killed in the process?  I know I got my ass kicked by Marjolaine the first time around, and that was with a well-armoured party of four.

In another ending, I got the same thing with Leliana staying with the Grey Warden.  Although the darkspawn may be stunted in the Blight, Fereldan is still a dangerous land; anything could just as easily pop up and kill a traveling party of two.

What I'm saying is maybe your choices will affect the beginning of Awakening, but maybe not in the way you desire.  It'd be easy to write in one of them dying even at the very beginning (just look at the Origins of DA:O; nearly every one of them resulted in someone close to you dying.)

Quit ASSUMING things.  It's only day two; we don't know anything for certain.