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[SDNcN]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

but thats the point, its not my choice, my choice was Leliana travelling/rebuilding the wardens, same with Zevran. so it means nothing what i chose, its being written over by bioware to make the expansion easy to add.
that choice i made, won't affect the game at all, it was a pointless choice

If you want your character travelling instead of rebuilding the Grey Wardens, the answer is simple : don't buy the Expansion, hold out for the possibility to play as the new character even if your main character isn't dead, or wait for another expansion.

If you want either of them with you when you are rebuilding the Grey Wardens, there isn't anything saying they won't be there. If they are there, odds are against that you will be able to group with them, it isn't that big of a deal.  They did the same thing in Baldur's Gate 2 with a number of companions from the first game and they are doing the same thing in Mass Effect 2.

[Few87]

Remember bioware are the slaves of EA and tis EA's mission to destroy any emotional attatchment to games and turn everyone into a casual gamer. Dun dun duh duh dun DUHHH

[Zafireria]

Or could be all of the party old members. Just not in the same playthrough.

Lets take an example. I take my character (Female Elf mage) I have a romance with Alistair, and in my game both of us lives. So in the expansion pack me and an 'old favorite' aka Alistair will be in it.



Now if you chose, Alistair to die and you are a male in a relationship with Leli and you ride off into the sunset. Then in the expansion it will be you and the 'old favorite aka Leli.



Ofc this is just wish thinking and probably unlikely. But in a way it does make sense.

[BlastedLands]

MEUTRIERE wrote...


What I'm saying is maybe your choices will affect the beginning of Awakening, but maybe not in the way you desire.  It'd be easy to write in one of them dying even at the very beginning (just look at the Origins of DA:O; nearly every one of them resulted in someone close to you dying.)

Quit ASSUMING things.  It's only day two; we don't know anything for certain.

wohoo, that'd make things a lot better

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

Not accounting for all the options the Warden has in the post-coronation, want to know the minimum number of variable endings for Warden, Alistair, Anora and Loghain there is?

36 and as said that isn't taking into account whether the warden stays on as chancellor to the king/queen, becomes the warden commander looking to rebuild the wardens of ferelden, goes off to help someone in their origin story, goes off to adventure or something else.

If they are really going to allow for all of those combinations, can you not imagine how tough that would be to incorporate it?

That is bigger than ME imo and to incorporate it into an expansion rather than full blown sequel?

Impressive, most impressive, no matter how big/small the data file is

This is just speculation though and I think people should give them time before jumping off the deep end

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 06 janvier 2010 - 10:58 .

[Valmy]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

So essentially whats happening is we get 5 new companions, and all of the others are scrapped, all the choices we chose, all the romance options and all the time speaking to companions and getting to know them has been for nothing. what was the point of even speaking to alistair/zevran/leliana?

Um...fun?  We were playing a game?  Anyway how do you know they are being scrapped.  How do you know what we did was for nothing?  We just know they will not be in our party for the adventure in the expansion.  The rest of the stuff you typed only exists in your own imagination.

[Few87]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

Yes!

[ash the rpgamer]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

i still am disappointed that the romance options like Leliana/Zevran aren't included as party members, after all they can both help rebuild the wardens i believe, just seems stupid that they couldn't even allow you 1 old companion(who we actually like, not Oghren)

You assume that all DA:O players like/dislike the same characters.  And you'd be wrong.  Personally, I found Leliana and her grating accent annoying, but Oghren hilarious.  Same with the constant Alistair battle; many find him whiny, dependent, and childish but I found him endearing.  Anyway, if Zevran were in the game, wouldn't you just complain about how Leliana isn't and vice-versa?

ash the rpgamer wrote...

but thats the point, its not my choice, my choice was Leliana
travelling/rebuilding the wardens, same with Zevran. so it means
nothing what i chose, its being written over by bioware to make the
expansion easy to add.
that choice i made, won't affect the game at all, it was a pointless choice

In my ending, I believe Leliana said she would return to Orlais to try and defeat Marjolaine once and for all (or something of the sort).  Who's to say she won't get herself killed in the process?  I know I got my ass kicked by Marjolaine the first time around, and that was with a well-armoured party of four.

In another ending, I got the same thing with Leliana staying with the Grey Warden.  Although the darkspawn may be stunted in the Blight, Fereldan is still a dangerous land; anything could just as easily pop up and kill a traveling party of two.

What I'm saying is maybe your choices will affect the beginning of Awakening, but maybe not in the way you desire.  It'd be easy to write in one of them dying even at the very beginning (just look at the Origins of DA:O; nearly every one of them resulted in someone close to you dying.)

Quit ASSUMING things.  It's only day two; we don't know anything for certain.

i was generalising, Oghren is 1 of the least popular characters, the most poplular are morrigan,leliana,alistair,zevran.

and you are correct it could quite easily happen, that one got killed but it just seems crazy to ditch such great characters, im a massive fan of the game and to me personally it just seems like my choices have been abit ignored, to save money and time. and whilst 1 character may get killed, its abit of a coincidence if they all die lol

either way im sure it'll be great gameplay and it is credit to the writers that people are so bothered about losing there old companions, hopefully they will return at somepoint though

[Zafireria]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

If that means that the expansion takes the data from your character that you important and put it in the expansion pack. Like relationships, gears, states, the choices you made and so on. Then I am very happy to hear that.

[ash the rpgamer]

Few87 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

Yes!

 well yes, if you chose your character to die, you can't expect to have the old companions really can you?

[ash the rpgamer]

Valmy wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

So essentially whats happening is we get 5 new companions, and all of the others are scrapped, all the choices we chose, all the romance options and all the time speaking to companions and getting to know them has been for nothing. what was the point of even speaking to alistair/zevran/leliana?

Um...fun?  We were playing a game?  Anyway how do you know they are being scrapped.  How do you know what we did was for nothing?  We just know they will not be in our party for the adventure in the expansion.  The rest of the stuff you typed only exists in your own imagination.

removing them all from the party is pretty much scrapping them from the expansion really isn't it, there not going to be much good otherwise

[MEUTRIERE]

Haerja wrote...

MEUTRIERE wrote...


What I'm saying is maybe your choices will affect the beginning of Awakening, but maybe not in the way you desire.  It'd be easy to write in one of them dying even at the very beginning (just look at the Origins of DA:O; nearly every one of them resulted in someone close to you dying.)

Quit ASSUMING things.  It's only day two; we don't know anything for certain.

wohoo, that'd make things a lot better

Like Morrigan more or less said in the game, I didn't say it was a GOOD alternative, but it's an alternative nonetheless.

[Zafireria]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Few87 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

Yes!

 well yes, if you chose your character to die, you can't expect to have the old companions really can you?

And what if you don't die? 

[Spitz6860]

they said they'll provide new content for DA:O or the next 2 years. and the first expansion is already announced, with 5 more party members. so there's probably more expansions in the works. hopefully they won't just kill off the previous party members every time, because that 'd be hella annoying. and if they are gonna make a direct sequel, and it's a big if from the looks of it, are they gonna just kill off the expansion party members and pretend they never existed or what?

[SinYang]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

Yes, or *ignoring* Origin's entirely for "a proper sequel" to this warden's story later on.

Bringing back the warden character without the party he left with to X location is meaningless, no amount of silly cameos & excuses will change that. This isnt a NWN game where story/party is secondary to multiplayer focus .

I wonder why they bothered leaving out multiplayer, if all expansions + sequels will be all new adventures?
Software regression, I hear Dragon Age 2 will have 2 party member slots with 5 characters.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Have they confirmed Oghren? No... as previously said, it is just speculation, we haven't had anything 100% officially confirmed on the party front yet so how about a bit of patience before complaining?

http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8 if you've read that link you know that there is only ONE returning from DAO, either way alot of people will be very disappointed and its highly likely it is Oghren as hes the only 1 which cannot die in the epilogue(bar morrigan)

Erm... wrong

You can actually tell Oghren to get lost.

Also despite a fair few of his epilogues resulting in him staying on at Denerim there are others where he wanders off just as much as the others.

Another fact, Baudoin was very open as to whom is returning as all he said was someone seen in origins is a companion. He never actually stated it was a party member. So it could be a number of people.

As to why not all the party members are returning, I am sure we will learn in time why this might not be the case. The expansion only got announced yesterday officially, as said before patience young grasshopper

its not wrong at all, with the exception of morrigan, Oghren is the only companion that lives no matter what choices you make, every other companion can die .
yes many can wander off, but they can all die, you have to meet oghren in order to complete the main questline characters like sten for example could be left in the cage to die, same with Leliana, alot of people may not even have shale, Oghren is the 100% guaranteed alive companion on everyones save file.

Oh really... you have access to everyones save file do you?

Right, didn't think so, for starters you can actually kill him during his crisis moment. So he doesn't have to be alive in everyones save file

[ash the rpgamer]

Zafireria wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Few87 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

Yes!

 well yes, if you chose your character to die, you can't expect to have the old companions really can you?

And what if you don't die? 

if you don't die your main character gets imported over to the expansion, but you still don't get any of the old companions except 1(likely to be Oghren)

[MEUTRIERE]

SinYang wrote...
Software regression, I hear Dragon Age 2 will have 2 party member slots with 5 characters.

Curious as to your source?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Zafireria wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

If that means that the expansion takes the data from your character that you important and put it in the expansion pack. Like relationships, gears, states, the choices you made and so on. Then I am very happy to hear that.

One of the devs somewhere stated that gear would be taken into fact apart from anything stored in the chest at soldiers peak (and thus I imagine in the one in the camp if you added one there), can't remember which post it was in but it was sometime today

[errant_knight]

TripleOwned wrote...

I've seen that over the forum quite a few number of people are annoyed that possibly only Oghren will be a returning member of the original party; but you have to take to account that the chances are that this is the only official expansion pack are very slim. I bet that other characters such as zevran, leliana and morrigan will most likely appear in future expansions.

On a lighter note i hope that there is a new romance in the part, i had great fun getting to know characters such as morrigan or leliana (in a more closer way ). XD

This may very well be the case. Each of the party members may return for a different quest. As to the fact that a particular party member may not have made it through in your preferred ending, if there are a plethora of DLC addons, not every one has to appeal to every gamer.

[Zafireria]

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Zafireria wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Few87 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

They have said data from ALL playthroughs is going to get transferred through, if the character died, the player starts as the Orlesian but details from that previous character go through.

Would you prefer that they said "This is how the game ended, only people that played the game this way can transfer their character over, everyone else is screwed and has to start the orlesian warden?"

Yes!

 well yes, if you chose your character to die, you can't expect to have the old companions really can you?

And what if you don't die? 

if you don't die your main character gets imported over to the expansion, but you still don't get any of the old companions except 1(likely to be Oghren)

That sucks, I would like to see that party member you romanced with to be there with you >: *Sigh*

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...


One of the devs somewhere stated that gear would be taken into fact apart from anything stored in the chest at soldiers peak (and thus I imagine in the one in the camp if you added one there), can't remember which post it was in but it was sometime today

I don't really care about the gear, spite I am sure others are. I only care that we get to be with the character we romanced with (if you chose that)

[ash the rpgamer]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

ash the rpgamer wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Have they confirmed Oghren? No... as previously said, it is just speculation, we haven't had anything 100% officially confirmed on the party front yet so how about a bit of patience before complaining?

http://social.biowar...dex/546072&lf=8 if you've read that link you know that there is only ONE returning from DAO, either way alot of people will be very disappointed and its highly likely it is Oghren as hes the only 1 which cannot die in the epilogue(bar morrigan)

Erm... wrong

You can actually tell Oghren to get lost.

Also despite a fair few of his epilogues resulting in him staying on at Denerim there are others where he wanders off just as much as the others.

Another fact, Baudoin was very open as to whom is returning as all he said was someone seen in origins is a companion. He never actually stated it was a party member. So it could be a number of people.

As to why not all the party members are returning, I am sure we will learn in time why this might not be the case. The expansion only got announced yesterday officially, as said before patience young grasshopper

its not wrong at all, with the exception of morrigan, Oghren is the only companion that lives no matter what choices you make, every other companion can die .
yes many can wander off, but they can all die, you have to meet oghren in order to complete the main questline characters like sten for example could be left in the cage to die, same with Leliana, alot of people may not even have shale, Oghren is the 100% guaranteed alive companion on everyones save file.

Oh really... you have access to everyones save file do you?

Right, didn't think so, for starters you can actually kill him during his crisis moment. So he doesn't have to be alive in everyones save file

check this link it shows all the epilogue option for each character http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Epilogue

if you check, every single one can die in the epilogue apart from Oghren, hes the only 1 which can't, ive not done his crisis point so i don't know perhaps you can kill him but he doesn't actually die, like when you get revived after battle, but all of the others can die in the epilogue(except morrigan)
so the only person that is guaranteed alive(by the epilogues words) is Oghren.

[SinYang]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

SinYang wrote...

Software regression, I hear Dragon Age 2 will have 2 party member slots with 5 characters.

Curious as to your source?

Just a guess, and probably not far from truth judging by how things are going in gaming.

[ash the rpgamer]

SinYang wrote...

MEUTRIERE wrote...

SinYang wrote...
Software regression, I hear Dragon Age 2 will have 2 party member slots with 5 characters.

Curious as to your source?

Just a guess, and probably not far from truth judging by how things are going in gaming.

yh lol its back to call of duty modern warfare 2 online for me, for a while at least, other than DA theres not much out atm thats too my liking, there really is a shortage of good quality RPG's, im not really into final fantasy myself, i suppose the next big thing other than future DA content will be TES 5 whenever that comes out

[Elessara]

Zafireria ... I was thinking what you were thinking. What if the returning "old favorite" is one you get to choose yourself?



How cool would that be?