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[RSTORM50]

It's truly a testament to the character writing that people get so emotionally attached to them. Even to the point of if so in so character isn't included they're trading this game in.. Wow, that's devotion to the character.



In each epilouge the surviving companions scatter to the four winds never to to be seen again, unless circumstances warrant it. With the first expansion, it seems the circumstances will warrant it for one of them yes?



I suspect there will be further expansions where another "old favorite" will join you to solve the latest crisis in the world.



And who's to say one or more of the upcoming 5 new companions won't become a favorite? ("Oh Wow! This heavily armored warrior is like HOT.. What did I ever see in Leliana?) think instead of worrying about it right now, it's best to just wait and see what Bioware has planned for this game and enjoy the ride.

[Zafireria]

Elessara wrote...

Zafireria ... I was thinking what you were thinking. What if the returning "old favorite" is one you get to choose yourself?

How cool would that be?

That would be like super cool.

Everyone has their opinion in who is a favorite character and who is not. It depends on who you are. How can BioWare even decide who is a favorite or not? Sure a lot of people like Alistair but also a lot dislikes him, so if it were to be him. How would he suit the title 'Old favorite' to those who hates him? Doesn't make sense does it?
All in all the 'old favorite' should be the favorite WE like (as a person not a group)
So as I said if the choices we made in the first game is moved into the next game, so the 'old favorite' would be our choice of it. Aka those who have a romance/high friendship with a character that didn't die in the end, would be the 'old favorite'

[Cybercat999]

Zafireria wrote...
Aka those who have a romance/high friendship with a character that didn't die in the end, would be the 'old favorite'

Sooo, I had romance with 3 of them and none died, do I get to keep all 3?

[Zafireria]

Cybercat999 wrote...

Zafireria wrote...
Aka those who have a romance/high friendship with a character that didn't die in the end, would be the 'old favorite'

Sooo, I had romance with 3 of them and none died, do I get to keep all 3?

Oooo you got me there, that I can't answer. Didn't even know it was possible in the same game playthrough. Only thought you could with 2, but they would make you choose in the end who to leave or keep, so that would come down to 1.

Modifié par Zafireria, 06 janvier 2010 - 11:52 .

[MEUTRIERE]

Zafireria wrote...

Elessara wrote...

Zafireria ... I was thinking what you were thinking. What if the returning "old favorite" is one you get to choose yourself?

How cool would that be?

That would be like super cool.

Everyone has their opinion in who is a favorite character and who is not. It depends on who you are. How can BioWare even decide who is a favorite or not? Sure a lot of people like Alistair but also a lot dislikes him, so if it were to be him. How would he suit the title 'Old favorite' to those who hates him? Doesn't make sense does it?
All in all the 'old favorite' should be the favorite WE like (as a person not a group)
So as I said if the choices we made in the first game is moved into the next game, so the 'old favorite' would be our choice of it. Aka those who have a romance/high friendship with a character that didn't die in the end, would be the 'old favorite'

David Gaider posted on another thread that they have neither the time nor the money to make dialogue for all the characters for only one of them to be used.  Therefore, no choosing your favorite.

[Cybercat999]

Zafireria wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

Zafireria wrote...
Aka those who have a romance/high friendship with a character that didn't die in the end, would be the 'old favorite'

Sooo, I had romance with 3 of them and none died, do I get to keep all 3?

Oooo you got me there, that I can't answer. Didn't even know it was possible in the same game playthrough. Only thought you could with 2, but they would make you choose in the end who to leave or keep, so that would come down to 1.

I had all 3 in love and wanting to stay with me forever in the end game.... I am tricky like that
Did take some work and lot of reloading but I got my perfect ending.

[Dridenkx]

ash the rpgamer wrote...


however its now become clear that we will only have 1 companion from DAO available in the party(most likely Oghren), some characters may be there but not in the party.

So essentially whats happening is we get 5 new companions, and all of the others are scrapped, all the choices we chose, all the romance options and all the time speaking to companions and getting to know them has been for nothing.

For nothing huh? So playing for 40 - 80 hours did nothing for you?You do realize people move on. the blight is gone. people have lives. omg I spent 4 yrs at my highschool getting to know classmates and teachers and after graduation day, I heard theres an expansion called College and all the people I met in Highschool wont be there. I talked to them all for nothing.

i and many others just feel that many of the choices we made were irrelevent, the romance options we decided on and our epilogues were for nothing and have been tossed aside.

it's a game. They were your companions in a game. the game is over. a new tale is begining stop crying about it. Been this way in Baldur's Gate, been this way in NWN, been this way in Mass Effect and every other game

[Zafireria]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

Zafireria wrote...

Elessara wrote...

Zafireria ... I was thinking what you were thinking. What if the returning "old favorite" is one you get to choose yourself?

How cool would that be?

That would be like super cool.

Everyone has their opinion in who is a favorite character and who is not. It depends on who you are. How can BioWare even decide who is a favorite or not? Sure a lot of people like Alistair but also a lot dislikes him, so if it were to be him. How would he suit the title 'Old favorite' to those who hates him? Doesn't make sense does it?
All in all the 'old favorite' should be the favorite WE like (as a person not a group)
So as I said if the choices we made in the first game is moved into the next game, so the 'old favorite' would be our choice of it. Aka those who have a romance/high friendship with a character that didn't die in the end, would be the 'old favorite'

David Gaider posted on another thread that they have neither the time nor the money to make dialogue for all the characters for only one of them to be used.  Therefore, no choosing your favorite.

Ok call me an idiot for saying this then. But if you don't have the money or the time to make a proper expansion, don't make one at all.
Dragon Age Origins is a huge success, I wonder how the "don't have money enough" turned up, I am pretty sure they earned a lot on this game. But I don't know anything about gaming market and such, so I won't be a judge and say they lie or anything. 

So far I hear a lot of players is unhappy about the outcome of the expansion, and many is disappointed. If you can't effort to make a game that the buyers will be happy about, then why make one?
Why make an expansion that may (or may not) ruin the game for many people? (yes I am aware if the option "Don't buy it then") But that doesn't help people who feel disappointed and sad. For them the Dragon Age: Origin ended before it even started. 

[Rhian370]

I am fine if I get new party members, like one poster said.. Life moves on - .. What I am hoping is that either via DLC or expansions they offer each of my companions "after" stories - I would love to travel with Stein to his homeland - Help Shale become human - etc... and it would not bother me if those were the only original party members I could have - ..

While I have loved and enjoyed my party members I look forward to meeting new companions to travel with and I look at it this way.. If they do plan "after" stories DLC that gives you 5 more additional content opportunities..

Modifié par Rhian370, 07 janvier 2010 - 12:13 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zafireria wrote...
Ok call me an idiot for saying this then. But if you don't have the money or the time to make a proper expansion, don't make one at all.
Dragon Age Origins is a huge success, I wonder how the "don't have money enough" turned up, I am pretty sure they earned a lot on this game. But I don't know anything about gaming market and such, so I won't be a judge and say they lie or anything. 

So far I hear a lot of players is unhappy about the outcome of the expansion, and many is disappointed. If you can't effort to make a game that the buyers will be happy about, then why make one?
Why make an expansion that may (or may not) ruin the game for many people? (yes I am aware if the option "Don't buy it then") But that doesn't help people who feel disappointed and sad. For them the Dragon Age: Origin ended before it even started. 

wow, we still didn't see anything but a trailer and you talk about "outcome" and people being dissapointed?
Bioware can't please everyone. Those who are sad, well they can offer a precise criticism that the developpers may read and be influenced by for future expansions. But to hoenstly start talking about dissapointment while we all know almost 0 about the expansion is just hard to take seriously.
And I am saying this as a skeptical person. It's far too early to start complaining.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 janvier 2010 - 12:18 .

[robertthebard]

So, the PC does the ultimate sacrifice, and has his little funeral, what keeps the companions around for an expansion? Yes, I'm aware that you can do the ritual and no one die, or sacrifice the other warden. However, you have to prepare for what happens if the PC dies. The NPC's will move on. Epilogs even indicate this.

[Zafireria]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zafireria wrote...
Ok call me an idiot for saying this then. But if you don't have the money or the time to make a proper expansion, don't make one at all.
Dragon Age Origins is a huge success, I wonder how the "don't have money enough" turned up, I am pretty sure they earned a lot on this game. But I don't know anything about gaming market and such, so I won't be a judge and say they lie or anything. 

So far I hear a lot of players is unhappy about the outcome of the expansion, and many is disappointed. If you can't effort to make a game that the buyers will be happy about, then why make one?
Why make an expansion that may (or may not) ruin the game for many people? (yes I am aware if the option "Don't buy it then") But that doesn't help people who feel disappointed and sad. For them the Dragon Age: Origin ended before it even started. 

wow, we still didn't see anything but a trailer and you talk about "outcome" and people being dissapointed?
Bioware can't please everyone. Those who are sad, well they can offer a precise criticism that the developpers may read and be influenced by for future expansions. But to hoenstly start talking about dissapointment while we all know almost 0 about the expansion is just hard to take seriously.
And I am saying this as a skeptical person. It's far too early to start complaining.

Oh you misunderstand me, what I said was based upon what I have seen on these forum. I have read a lot of post that complains about one thing or another, and so on. 
Which I think is odd considering that the games isn't out yet and that we know little about it.
The only thing I am worried about is if the ones who romanced with won't be at your side to fight with. Else it sounds pretty nice to me.
I have just seen a lot of people talk about disappointment and anger.
And as I stated "Why make an expansion that may (or may not) ruin the game for many people?" I never said it would, but hearing from people who are already complaining, it seems like it is ruined for them. 
I am not complaining sorry if I made it sound like that. I am just excited to see what the expansion is going to be like and I cross me fingers for the. Having your love at your side in battle.
Sorry again if it sounded like a complain.

[MEUTRIERE]

Zafireria wrote...

Dragon Age Origins is a huge success, I wonder how the "don't have money enough" turned up, I am pretty sure they earned a lot on this game. But I don't know anything about gaming market and such, so I won't be a judge and say they lie or anything. 

So far I hear a lot of players is unhappy about the outcome of the expansion, and many is disappointed. If you can't effort to make a game that the buyers will be happy about, then why make one?
Why make an expansion that may (or may not) ruin the game for many people? (yes I am aware if the option "Don't buy it then") But that doesn't help people who feel disappointed and sad. For them the Dragon Age: Origin ended before it even started. 

It's not so much they 'don't have enough money' I suppose as they don't 'want to waste money'.  Remember, this is also a business.  They have people to pay and money to invest.

You can't say people are unhappy about the outcome of the expansion, else those people are fools.  The game was announced YESTERDAY.  Like I said, we got a press statement and a trailer under TWO MINUTES.  We know hardly anything about the game from the devs keeping everything so hush hush.  Don't be so disappointed in something you don't know anything about.

On a side note, I got this for all you who want to see old characters again:
In an interview with IGN, Online Producer Fernando Melo says, "[I]f you choose the brand new story of the Orlesian
commander, in some cases, you actually come across cameos of some of
your followers. You'll kind of hear about the tales of what happened
and how something did or didn't happen, etc. If you ever go back to
Origins to replay that, you'll see a different perspective as to what
happened there, which is kind of neat. But really it's all about
unveiling a brand new chapter in the tapestry of Dragon Age, where it's
a brand new area."
Looks like we'll be at least glimpsing your old friends.

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1058713p1.html

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Also just to reclarify something else. If memory serves me right doesn't one of the epilogue text boxes state that eventually the warden and ALL their companions went their seperate ways?



Ash, I ain't done the ending either but I will state something, that epilogue page isn't totally accurate because some of those comments actually only appear in the characters codex



You kill Sten or Leliana in Lothering, as far as I am aware they just get codex notes, no epilogue text. Also virtually all of the ones listed in there for Oghren end up with him going off somewhere, just like the others.



Fernando Melo in an Q&A with IGN has stated that if you play as the orlesian some of the companions might make cameos, nothing more.



The expansion is about either the PC Origins warden or the Orlesian Warden, any extra companion stuff floating over from the OC is just a bonus

[brownstudies]

Hmmm. I would prefer that we had *some* choice on the old favourite, even if it was just between two characters. If Oghren rejoins, which it looks very likely he might, I'll be getting rid of him at the first opportunity.



I'm sure all the old NPCs will be present in some capacity, though - as long as the expansion remembers that I was in a relationship with X and hated Y, I'm (relatively) happy. And if Bioware decide that my PC can't hold hands and make kissy faces with her Ally-poo while she's rebuilding the wardens, well, I just wont play that particular PC...

[MEUTRIERE]

brownstudies wrote...

And if Bioware decide that my PC can't hold hands and make kissy faces with her Ally-poo while she's rebuilding the wardens, well, I just wont play that particular PC...

QFE! 

[brownstudies]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

"You'll kind of hear about the tales of what happened
and how something did or didn't happen, etc. If you ever go back to
Origins to replay that, you'll see a different perspective as to what
happened there, which is kind of neat.

Whoa whoa whoa. Not letting players continue with all their old storylines is one thing, I can handle that fine. Changing old storylines I could seriously do without

[BlastedLands]

brownstudies wrote...

Hmmm. I would prefer that we had *some* choice on the old favourite, even if it was just between two characters. If Oghren rejoins, which it looks very likely he might, I'll be getting rid of him at the first opportunity.

I'm sure all the old NPCs will be present in some capacity, though - as long as the expansion remembers that I was in a relationship with X and hated Y, I'm (relatively) happy. And if Bioware decide that my PC can't hold hands and make kissy faces with her Ally-poo while she's rebuilding the wardens, well, I just wont play that particular PC...

that also means, when i like to start a brand new game, i'll have to ignore the whole romance stuff in the origins story, because it's pointless? uhm....

[Zafireria]

MEUTRIERE wrote...



It's not so much they 'don't have enough money' I suppose as they don't 'want to waste money'.  Remember, this is also a business.  They have people to pay and money to invest.

As I said I know nothing about business, but it does come down to a lot of money to pay all the people who works there. So I do see the money problem.

You can't say people are unhappy about the outcome of the expansion, else those people are fools.  The game was announced YESTERDAY.  Like I said, we got a press statement and a trailer under TWO MINUTES.  We know hardly anything about the game from the devs keeping everything so hush hush.  Don't be so disappointed in something you don't know anything about.

I am not unhappy nor disappointed. I am talking about people I have seen complain about it already. 
I kind of thinks it is stupid and to be to quick about judging a game we don't know anything about.
I must admit that I have complained a bit, but that was only about what ever to have your character you romanced at your side. But it is rather stupid to complain about something you can't change anyways.
To me I am glad that there is a continue, I just hope the option I would like to see is there. 

On a side note, I got this for all you who want to see old characters again:
In an interview with IGN, Online Producer Fernando Melo says, "[I]f you choose the brand new story of the Orlesian
commander, in some cases, you actually come across cameos of some of
your followers. You'll kind of hear about the tales of what happened
and how something did or didn't happen, etc. If you ever go back to
Origins to replay that, you'll see a different perspective as to what
happened there, which is kind of neat. But really it's all about
unveiling a brand new chapter in the tapestry of Dragon Age, where it's
a brand new area."
Looks like we'll be at least glimpsing your old friends.

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1058713p1.html

Yup already read it, and it cleared up a great deal for me. 

[SDNcN]

brownstudies wrote...

MEUTRIERE wrote...

"You'll kind of hear about the tales of what happened
and how something did or didn't happen, etc. If you ever go back to
Origins to replay that, you'll see a different perspective as to what
happened there, which is kind of neat.

Whoa whoa whoa. Not letting players continue with all their old storylines is one thing, I can handle that fine. Changing old storylines I could seriously do without

It is refering to what your old companions and random guys outside taverns have to say about the main character and what he or she did during Origins when talking to the new Orlesian character.

Modifié par SDNcN, 07 janvier 2010 - 12:37 .

[MEUTRIERE]

brownstudies wrote...

Whoa whoa whoa. Not letting players continue with all their old storylines is one thing, I can handle that fine. Changing old storylines I could seriously do without

I don't think they're changing the storylines.  I think they mean if you're the Orlesian, instead of playing through the Origin, they'll have some sort of scripted canon story of how the Blight was ended, etc. to explain what happened before the Orlesian came into existance.  I don't think you have to worry about any story changes.

Zafireria wrote...

I must admit that I have complained a bit, but that was only about what ever to have your character you romanced at your side.

Well, from what I can tell, Alistair will be there for at least a short time, so my romance character will essentially continue. 

[brownstudies]

Haerja wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

Hmmm. I would prefer that we had *some* choice on the old favourite, even if it was just between two characters. If Oghren rejoins, which it looks very likely he might, I'll be getting rid of him at the first opportunity.

I'm sure all the old NPCs will be present in some capacity, though - as long as the expansion remembers that I was in a relationship with X and hated Y, I'm (relatively) happy. And if Bioware decide that my PC can't hold hands and make kissy faces with her Ally-poo while she's rebuilding the wardens, well, I just wont play that particular PC...

that also means, when i like to start a brand new game, i'll have to ignore the whole romance stuff in the origins story, because it's pointless? uhm....

....rats.

Alistair: "I picked this in Lothering-"
PC: "STOP. STOP RIGHT THERE. THIS WILL ONLY LEAD TO HEARTBREAK. AGAIN."
Alistair: "It reminds me that - "
PC: "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LAAAA..."

MEUTRIERE wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

Whoa whoa whoa. Not letting players continue with all their old storylines is one thing, I can handle that fine. Changing old storylines I could seriously do without [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

I
don't think they're changing the storylines.  I think they mean if
you're the Orlesian, instead of playing through the Origin, they'll
have some sort of scripted canon story of how the Blight was ended,
etc. to explain what happened before the Orlesian came into existance. 
I don't think you have to worry about any story changes.

Ooohhhh. Okay, good. Happy now [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Modifié par brownstudies, 07 janvier 2010 - 12:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zafireria wrote...
Oh you misunderstand me, what I said was based upon what I have seen on these forum. I have read a lot of post that complains about one thing or another, and so on. 
Which I think is odd considering that the games isn't out yet and that we know little about it.
The only thing I am worried about is if the ones who romanced with won't be at your side to fight with. Else it sounds pretty nice to me.
I have just seen a lot of people talk about disappointment and anger.
And as I stated "Why make an expansion that may (or may not) ruin the game for many people?" I never said it would, but hearing from people who are already complaining, it seems like it is ruined for them. 
I am not complaining sorry if I made it sound like that. I am just excited to see what the expansion is going to be like and I cross me fingers for the. Having your love at your side in battle.
Sorry again if it sounded like a complain.

Yes I understand that reading too many complaints can be overwhelming. But rule number 1 of the internets, everyone complains. Heck, even I complained at first (at the time length). But at the end, we all end up loving it.
 So, no I do not think Bioware is risking making a game that will ruin the experience of many people. Some people? Maybe.
And keep in mind that while romance options may not fight in our party, it is still entirely possible, until proven otherwise, that they are npcs. Which would be great and sufficient imo.

Furthermore, seeing how the expansion was released early, it is safe to presume that at least one more expansion is coming. So it's not the end of the story. And perhaps there is a sequel. Who knows.
 Absence makes the heart grow fonder. I thnk people can survive without their romance option until the next expansion and / or sequel.

[Zafireria]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yes I understand that reading too many complaints can be overwhelming. But rule number 1 of the internets, everyone complains. Heck, even I complained at first (at the time length). But at the end, we all end up loving it.
 So, no I do not think Bioware is risking making a game that will ruin the experience of many people. Some people? Maybe.
And keep in mind that while romance options may not fight in our party, it is still entirely possible, until proven otherwise, that they are npcs. Which would be great and sufficient imo.

Furthermore, seeing how the expansion was released early, it is safe to presume that at least one more expansion is coming. So it's not the end of the story. And perhaps there is a sequel. Who knows.
 Absence makes the heart grow fonder. I thnk people can survive without their romance option until the next expansion and / or sequel.

I see what you mean, got it. Thanks.

[BlastedLands]

brownstudies wrote...


....rats.

Alistair: "I picked this in Lothering-"
PC: "STOP. STOP RIGHT THERE. THIS WILL ONLY LEAD TO HEARTBREAK. AGAIN."
Alistair: "It reminds me that - "
PC: "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LAAAA..."

sorry.