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[xsdob]

Archonsg wrote...


3) BSN is a great source for info on content

We question your judgement. This place has proven 4 times to be unreliable and blatently deceptive on what I would or wouldn't enjoy.

Also it made me spend 60 dollars on a "true rpg" witcher 2, which I thought sucked after the first half an hour and a crippling bug that made it impossible to escape floatsom and advance the main quest. And that this happened repeatidly.

Modifié par xsdob, 23 décembre 2012 - 07:15 .

[Seifer006]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I'm just quoting somebody, but i found it pretty interesting. I still don't have an opinion on the matter cause i have no idea what they're planning.

"Data gathered suggests the loss of consumers and traffic on the BSN is far more significant than previously believed, even by me on a good day.

Now that the goodwill from everyone is well and truly dried up, (Leviathan umors that it would add more to the ending, Omega's in-comunity hype) and we've seen that even that couldn't truly carry Mass Effect 3 DLC sales through, and the potential flush of new Customers they were hoping for in the Wii-U release is well under 15k world wide, they may have finally seen that pride cometh before the proverbial fall.

So they may have buckled, given the fact that they're saying they're calling back all writers, something I know is only done for core story elements that are going to be added/altered, it seems significant.

Add to that, the fact that the lead composer is also returning for music (something that isn't done for any DLC that I really know of since the lead composer most certainly demands top dollar) and it also points to something "Big"

Way I see it its make it or break it time.

Only thing that's holding me back from saying its definitely gonna be an ending DLC is their previous adamance of no more ending DLC, the fact that the hack is also back on the project and that Casey hudson is still, for now, the Boss.

When two out of two don't wan to change something that leaves only the possible 3rd party making them change their minds. (EA)

The sales are bleeding white and that's something EA does not want to see in what was supposed to be a massive Cash Cow.

Problem is EA has a LOT bigger and more numerous problems atm than Bioware's BS especially one that's a year old. So they might not even give a **** atm while they're scrambling to find enough corks to plug the holes in the sinking ship that is their company."

You do know that Leviathan was there Top Selling DLC (before Omega came out)

Priestly said it

[xsdob]

Fnork wrote...

xsdob wrote...
unreal expectations

I'll just leave this here

People might have been responsible for letting their own expectations soar but BW sure as heck fed the frenzy

And than fans overblew the EC when bioware repeatidly told them it will just add closure that was lacking, which is what me and apparently half the fanbase wanted since that's how many people seem satisfied with it,.

And than fans overblew leviathan and complained about expectations bioware never set for them and blamed everything they made up that didn't come true on bioware.

And than omega comes out and you are told repetidly that you fight cerberus with aria to reclaim omega. Fans went crazy and derped up a bunch of crap that made no sense such as omega being a crucible and collecters being on omega and so on and so forth, and basically made crap up about this dlc than complained when their self-made information wasn't true, blaming bioware for it not being true when they did all they could to not hype this dlc by answering fan questions on twitter.

I'm seeing a pattern here that's not related to pre-release statements. Fans seem to like ot take quotes out of context and interpret them to mean things they aren't suppose to mean. And than they get angry about those expectations set from their warped information not being accurate and blame bioware for lying to them and trolling them when they set their own bar high up and in a place bioware wasn't even looking at.

You can quote me pre-release statements all you want, but it seems to me that for the past 6 months, fans have been doing all of this to themselves.

[Daniel_N7]

People have a right to have expectations. Nobody is asking for the Star Wars coronation scene, but many of us believe the series deserves an additional ending scenario and we're here to keep that hope alive. And if we're wrong, so be it.

[Archonsg]

xsdob wrote...

Archonsg wrote...


3) BSN is a great source for info on content

We question your judgement. This place has proven 4 times to be unreliable and blatently deceptive on what I would or wouldn't enjoy.

Also it made me spend 60 dollars on a "true rpg" witcher 2, which I thought sucked after the first half an hour and a crippling bug that made it impossible to escape floatsom and advance the main quest. And that this happened repeatidly.

you left out steps 1,2, 3.2 and finally 4 before buying.
Though in Regards to the Witcher 2, didnt run across that bug.
Its very "twitch" oriented, but acceptable considering the story told.

[AlanC9]

xsdob wrote...

I'm seeing a pattern here that's not related to pre-release statements. Fans seem to like ot take quotes out of context and interpret them to mean things they aren't suppose to mean. And than they get angry about those expectations set from their warped information not being accurate and blame bioware for lying to them and trolling them when they set their own bar high up and in a place bioware wasn't even looking at.

You can quote me pre-release statements all you want, but it seems to me that for the past 6 months, fans have been doing all of this to themselves.

Well, yeah.... But Bio should do a better job of stamping out bad interpretations.

[Shepard108278]

res27772 wrote...

Fnork wrote...

xsdob wrote...
unreal expectations

I'll just leave this here

People might have been responsible for letting their own expectations soar but BW sure as heck fed the frenzy

Thanks for reminding me of those blatant lies... it's rekindled those burning embers of anger.

 Um I don't see any lies. And OP won't happen. It may give a new slide or something but thats it.

[Fnork]

xsdob wrote...

Fnork wrote...

xsdob wrote...
unreal expectations

I'll just leave this here

People might have been responsible for letting their own expectations soar but BW sure as heck fed the frenzy

And than fans overblew the EC when bioware repeatidly told them it will just add closure that was lacking, which is what me and apparently half the fanbase wanted since that's how many people seem satisfied with it,.

And than fans overblew leviathan and complained about expectations bioware never set for them and blamed everything they made up that didn't come true on bioware.

And than omega comes out and you are told repetidly that you fight cerberus with aria to reclaim omega. Fans went crazy and derped up a bunch of crap that made no sense such as omega being a crucible and collecters being on omega and so on and so forth, and basically made crap up about this dlc than complained when their self-made information wasn't true, blaming bioware for it not being true when they did all they could to not hype this dlc by answering fan questions on twitter.

I'm seeing a pattern here that's not related to pre-release statements. Fans seem to like ot take quotes out of context and interpret them to mean things they aren't suppose to mean. And than they get angry about those expectations set from their warped information not being accurate and blame bioware for lying to them and trolling them when they set their own bar high up and in a place bioware wasn't even looking at.

You can quote me pre-release statements all you want, but it seems to me that for the past 6 months, fans have been doing all of this to themselves.

Wow, that's an awfull lot of generalizing in between all that hyperbole.

One thing I don't agree with you on is calling people's expectations unreal. People's expecations vary. The pre-release statements played a big role in people's expecations and there is no way you can generalize and dismiss all of it as angry fans taking things out of context, blowing things out of proportion.

Also there's nothing warped about quotes like: "“The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”".

If people set their expectations too high I do agree that that's primarily on them but BW doesn't get off scot free here. To name an example, if you're going to stress how choices are meaningful and how the Rachni are hugely important, even in the final battle then people are going to expect to see them in the final battle. That's not taking it out of context or blowing it out of proportion, it's actually a pretty reasonable expectation. You're welcome to think that the Rachni do matter because of the war assets but for me those numbers are just numbers and they marginalize what I felt was a big decision.

As for me and DLC, I don't really care about the upcoming DLC being ending related or not. I don't expect it will be and I wouldn't buy it if it were.

[Peranor]

Hope... is indeed the last thing that dies in man.

[Iakus]

anorling wrote...



Hope... is indeed the last thing that dies in man.

Without hope, we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we're told 

[xsdob]

Fnork wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Fnork wrote...

xsdob wrote...
unreal expectations

I'll just leave this here

People might have been responsible for letting their own expectations soar but BW sure as heck fed the frenzy

And than fans overblew the EC when bioware repeatidly told them it will just add closure that was lacking, which is what me and apparently half the fanbase wanted since that's how many people seem satisfied with it,.

And than fans overblew leviathan and complained about expectations bioware never set for them and blamed everything they made up that didn't come true on bioware.

And than omega comes out and you are told repetidly that you fight cerberus with aria to reclaim omega. Fans went crazy and derped up a bunch of crap that made no sense such as omega being a crucible and collecters being on omega and so on and so forth, and basically made crap up about this dlc than complained when their self-made information wasn't true, blaming bioware for it not being true when they did all they could to not hype this dlc by answering fan questions on twitter.

I'm seeing a pattern here that's not related to pre-release statements. Fans seem to like ot take quotes out of context and interpret them to mean things they aren't suppose to mean. And than they get angry about those expectations set from their warped information not being accurate and blame bioware for lying to them and trolling them when they set their own bar high up and in a place bioware wasn't even looking at.

You can quote me pre-release statements all you want, but it seems to me that for the past 6 months, fans have been doing all of this to themselves.

Wow, that's an awfull lot of generalizing in between all that hyperbole.

One thing I don't agree with you on is calling people's expectations unreal. People's expecations vary. The pre-release statements played a big role in people's expecations and there is no way you can generalize and dismiss all of it as angry fans taking things out of context, blowing things out of proportion.

Also there's nothing warped about quotes like: "“The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”".

If people set their expectations too high I do agree that that's primarily on them but BW doesn't get off scot free here. To name an example, if you're going to stress how choices are meaningful and how the Rachni are hugely important, even in the final battle then people are going to expect to see them in the final battle. That's not taking it out of context or blowing it out of proportion, it's actually a pretty reasonable expectation. You're welcome to think that the Rachni do matter because of the war assets but for me those numbers are just numbers and they marginalize what I felt was a big decision.

As for me and DLC, I don't really care about the upcoming DLC being ending related or not. I don't expect it will be and I wouldn't buy it if it were.

You only cited pre-release statements again and didn't mention anything about how the dlc's have not been hyped by bioware to unreal expectiations.

So basically, you didn't address the main issue, and brought an unrelated issue up as for why fans tend to make large and heavy demands, and than act as if they were betrayed when bioware says they won't do it, and act even more betrayed when they don't do the thing they said they wouldn't do.

Omega is a large key in this, where people complained about nyreen not being a squadmate even when bioware told them she wouldn't be a squadmate a whole month before the dlc launched. Same for the aria romance or the omega hub.

[xsdob]

AlanC9 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I'm seeing a pattern here that's not related to pre-release statements. Fans seem to like ot take quotes out of context and interpret them to mean things they aren't suppose to mean. And than they get angry about those expectations set from their warped information not being accurate and blame bioware for lying to them and trolling them when they set their own bar high up and in a place bioware wasn't even looking at.

You can quote me pre-release statements all you want, but it seems to me that for the past 6 months, fans have been doing all of this to themselves.

Well, yeah.... But Bio should do a better job of stamping out bad interpretations.

They try, but most people don't read twitter or try and find this information out by asking someone who does. They also don't go to places like the ME3 general discussion twitter thread, where this info is made avaliable for the bsn to use.

[ld1449]

Seifer006 wrote...


You do know that Leviathan was there Top Selling DLC (before Omega came out)

Priestly said it

Priestly can say whatever he wishes but the fac is Leviathan barely beat Pinnacle Station on Xbox Lives list of DLC sales.

Even taking PS3 into account, PS3 sales would have had to sell 3 times the ammount that the Xbox sold in order to have a chance at competing with LotSB which on the Xbox list is their (Bioware's) best seller.

[Clayless]

God no. I'm all for more war scenes pre-ending, which includes Earth, but no post ending or ending changing DLC for people who don't care for Mass Effect anymore.

Really, so much people here hate Bioware, which no longer means they're Biowares target market.

[Vortex13]

IMO, Bioware is going to ether allow the endings people want to happen, happen. Or the DLC cycle is going to be cut short (a la DA2).

I would love a reunion DLC but my big beef with the ME3 ending is the character of the Catalyst; and the raping of Soverign and Harbinger's characters that he creates by his very existence: "Lolz, It was the Catalyst all along!" And the very very stupid reason for the Reapers' reaping.

I would love to see a removal of the Catallyst (and his retarded 'logic'), the reinstatement of the true king of the Reapers: Harbinger, an epic boss fight we have been building up to since ME2, and finally a Successful Refuse (favorite) or a Reaper ONLY Destroy (acceptable). A Shepard reunion would be icing on the cake.

[AlanC9]

Vortex13 wrote...
I would love to see a removal of the Catallyst (and his retarded 'logic'), the reinstatement of the true king of the Reapers: Harbinger, an epic boss fight we have been building up to since ME2, and finally a Successful Refuse (favorite) or a Reaper ONLY Destroy (acceptable). A Shepard reunion would be icing on the cake.

Wait a minute.... what's Shepard Refusing if there's no Catalyst?

[Vortex13]

AlanC9 wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...
I would love to see a removal of the Catallyst (and his retarded 'logic'), the reinstatement of the true king of the Reapers: Harbinger, an epic boss fight we have been building up to since ME2, and finally a Successful Refuse (favorite) or a Reaper ONLY Destroy (acceptable). A Shepard reunion would be icing on the cake.

Wait a minute.... what's Shepard Refusing if there's no Catalyst?

Good point, I guess beating Harbinger WOULD be Succesful Refuse, after which the Reapers would be leaderless and disoriented allowing the races of the galaxy to win a war of conventional means.

[Shepard108278]

ld1449 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...


You do know that Leviathan was there Top Selling DLC (before Omega came out)

Priestly said it

Priestly can say whatever he wishes but the fac is Leviathan barely beat Pinnacle Station on Xbox Lives list of DLC sales.

Even taking PS3 into account, PS3 sales would have had to sell 3 times the ammount that the Xbox sold in order to have a chance at competing with LotSB which on the Xbox list is their (Bioware's) best seller.

prove it.

[Mathias]

Ok so after my first post on here, a few people were curious as to where this person got this information. I received a message from him since then, however he was a little upset that the person he originally told it to, ended up telling me. I guess it was suppose to be between the both of them. So unfortunately i cannot give you all the information he gave me, and i won't reveal his name.

However, i know i this looks and some of you are gonna doubt me. So i'm not gonna totally leave you high and dry here. A lot of the things he told me, are stuff that you can find out easily yourselves. So things like the sales for the WiiU version of ME3, and the DLC sales, are some things you can look up. I will tell you that the WiiU version sold 11-13k units. I shouldn't have to tell you how terrible that is. Not to mention Leviathan and Omega not selling as well as EA/Bioware had hoped.

Furthermore, we have last weeks news of EA being removed off from NASDAQ which is NEVER a good thing for a company as large as EA.

From what i've seen, this is a make it or break it time for Bioware. If this ain't ending related, then it has to be something pretty damn major

[garrusfan1]

Mcfly616 wrote...

The peace won't last.....

Hahahahha wow that was good but on topic I hope OP I hope

[garrusfan1]

Mdoggy they got removed wow that is bad for them

[ld1449]

Shepard108278 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...


You do know that Leviathan was there Top Selling DLC (before Omega came out)

Priestly said it

Priestly can say whatever he wishes but the fac is Leviathan barely beat Pinnacle Station on Xbox Lives list of DLC sales.

Even taking PS3 into account, PS3 sales would have had to sell 3 times the ammount that the Xbox sold in order to have a chance at competing with LotSB which on the Xbox list is their (Bioware's) best seller.

prove it.

I'm sorry. You seem to be under the impression that I have nothing better to do other than to teach you basic arithmetic

[Lars Honeytoast]

anorling wrote...



Hope... is indeed the last thing that dies in man.

This is stupid. It's certainly either the heart or the brain. Hope dies in your mid thirties. Hell, sex drive dies after hope.

[garrusfan1]

Lars Honeytoast wrote...

anorling wrote...



Hope... is indeed the last thing that dies in man.

This is stupid. It's certainly either the heart or the brain. Hope dies in your mid thirties. Hell, sex drive dies after hope.

Depends I have seen 80year old people with hope then I have seen some people in their teens who are the oh I have no hope and all that bulls*** so that last statement is only partially true

[AlanC9]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I will tell you that the WiiU version sold 11-13k units. I shouldn't have to tell you how terrible that is.

I was never quite clear why anyone expected the WiiU version to sell. How many WiiU users who might be interested in ME3 wouldn't have already played it on some other system?

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 décembre 2012 - 04:11 .