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[garrusfan1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I will tell you that the WiiU version sold 11-13k units. I shouldn't have to tell you how terrible that is.

I was never quite clear why anyone expected the WiiU version to sell. How many WiiU users who might be interested inME3 wouldn't have already played it on some other system

I never understood why they released it on WiiU

[Rex Fallout]

garrusfan1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I will tell you that the WiiU version sold 11-13k units. I shouldn't have to tell you how terrible that is.

I was never quite clear why anyone expected the WiiU version to sell. How many WiiU users who might be interested inME3 wouldn't have already played it on some other system

I never understood why they released it on WiiU

To give fans the 1/3 of the story that they loved most!  Wait...

[Iakus]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Mdoggy they got removed wow that is bad for them

For the sake of clarity, EA was removed from NASDAQ's top 100 list.

[WheatleyHQ]

Yeah. I believe Bioware will troll us. And, they will make this DLC more expensive than any other DLC pack they've released.

Bioware has fallen so low nowadays. Guess that's what they get for being controlled by EA. *shrugs*

[Sanunes]

I don't get the hate towards BioWare, they had a major blunder with all the information being handed out before the games launch in interviews and Twitter type releases. Going back and playing their older games recently Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 1, I tried to play Knights of the Old Republic, but it didn't age well for me. They all have their own flaws that hurt the game, I think a lot of people are just looking for faults anymore and if those games were released now they would want to rip BioWare apart for those games as well.

Modifié par Sanunes, 24 décembre 2012 - 04:27 .

[Mathias]

Rex Fallout wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I will tell you that the WiiU version sold 11-13k units. I shouldn't have to tell you how terrible that is.

I was never quite clear why anyone expected the WiiU version to sell. How many WiiU users who might be interested inME3 wouldn't have already played it on some other system

I never understood why they released it on WiiU

To give fans the 1/3 of the story that they loved most!  Wait...

11-13k units sold worldwide in a few weeks is not good. No matter how you try to slice it.

[Sanunes]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Rex Fallout wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I will tell you that the WiiU version sold 11-13k units. I shouldn't have to tell you how terrible that is.

I was never quite clear why anyone expected the WiiU version to sell. How many WiiU users who might be interested inME3 wouldn't have already played it on some other system

I never understood why they released it on WiiU

To give fans the 1/3 of the story that they loved most!  Wait...

11-13k units sold worldwide in a few weeks is not good. No matter how you try to slice it.

Its no different when they ported it to the PS3 honestly, people who wanted it already bought it on other systems.  Heck the only reason why I bought a 360 is because Mass Effect 1 was orginally marketed as an exclusive. 

[ld1449]

Sanunes wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Rex Fallout wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I will tell you that the WiiU version sold 11-13k units. I shouldn't have to tell you how terrible that is.

I was never quite clear why anyone expected the WiiU version to sell. How many WiiU users who might be interested inME3 wouldn't have already played it on some other system

I never understood why they released it on WiiU

To give fans the 1/3 of the story that they loved most!  Wait...

11-13k units sold worldwide in a few weeks is not good. No matter how you try to slice it.

Its no different when they ported it to the PS3 honestly, people who wanted it already bought it on other systems.  Heck the only reason why I bought a 360 is because Mass Effect 1 was orginally marketed as an exclusive. 

Found it, sales were close to 200k units in the first three weeks when they released it on PS3 and mannaged to jump the extra 22k they needed in week 4

(I don't think VG chartz tracks used sales soooo there could be an extra 50k more maybe???)

Modifié par ld1449, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[Sanunes]

ld1449 wrote...

Found it, sales were close to 200k units in the first three weeks when they released it on PS3 and mannaged to jump the extra 22k they needed in week 4

(I don't think VG chartz tracks used sales soooo there could be an extra 50k more maybe???)

Correct it sold more for the PS3, but I was just meaning that they didn't outsell the PC or 360 for Mass Effect 2 on the PS3, so I would expect Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U to be a distant fourth.

[Fnork]

xsdob wrote...

Fnork wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Fnork wrote...

xsdob wrote...
unreal expectations

I'll just leave this here

People might have been responsible for letting their own expectations soar but BW sure as heck fed the frenzy

And than fans overblew the EC when bioware repeatidly told them it will just add closure that was lacking, which is what me and apparently half the fanbase wanted since that's how many people seem satisfied with it,.

And than fans overblew leviathan and complained about expectations bioware never set for them and blamed everything they made up that didn't come true on bioware.

And than omega comes out and you are told repetidly that you fight cerberus with aria to reclaim omega. Fans went crazy and derped up a bunch of crap that made no sense such as omega being a crucible and collecters being on omega and so on and so forth, and basically made crap up about this dlc than complained when their self-made information wasn't true, blaming bioware for it not being true when they did all they could to not hype this dlc by answering fan questions on twitter.

I'm seeing a pattern here that's not related to pre-release statements. Fans seem to like ot take quotes out of context and interpret them to mean things they aren't suppose to mean. And than they get angry about those expectations set from their warped information not being accurate and blame bioware for lying to them and trolling them when they set their own bar high up and in a place bioware wasn't even looking at.

You can quote me pre-release statements all you want, but it seems to me that for the past 6 months, fans have been doing all of this to themselves.

Wow, that's an awfull lot of generalizing in between all that hyperbole.

One thing I don't agree with you on is calling people's expectations unreal. People's expecations vary. The pre-release statements played a big role in people's expecations and there is no way you can generalize and dismiss all of it as angry fans taking things out of context, blowing things out of proportion.

Also there's nothing warped about quotes like: "“The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”".

If people set their expectations too high I do agree that that's primarily on them but BW doesn't get off scot free here. To name an example, if you're going to stress how choices are meaningful and how the Rachni are hugely important, even in the final battle then people are going to expect to see them in the final battle. That's not taking it out of context or blowing it out of proportion, it's actually a pretty reasonable expectation. You're welcome to think that the Rachni do matter because of the war assets but for me those numbers are just numbers and they marginalize what I felt was a big decision.

As for me and DLC, I don't really care about the upcoming DLC being ending related or not. I don't expect it will be and I wouldn't buy it if it were.

You only cited pre-release statements again and didn't mention anything about how the dlc's have not been hyped by bioware to unreal expectiations.

So basically, you didn't address the main issue, and brought an unrelated issue up as for why fans tend to make large and heavy demands, and than act as if they were betrayed when bioware says they won't do it, and act even more betrayed when they don't do the thing they said they wouldn't do.

Omega is a large key in this, where people complained about nyreen not being a squadmate even when bioware told them she wouldn't be a squadmate a whole month before the dlc launched. Same for the aria romance or the omega hub.

I probably wasn't clear on this; my stance is that people tend to cling to their expectations. They may or may not hold future releases to those expectations, but those previous expectations are still around in one way or another. That's why I think the pre release hype is still relevant 3 DLC's in. Was there hyping of DLC ? Not by BW, on this I agree with you 100%.

Your second paragraph is smells of hyperbole and generalizing again. There is no pattern here for you to find Freud. The BSN isn't representative of a large enough group of people. If anything I say that you yourself are blowing a few extreme'ish posts out of proportion. The BSN is minority itself given ME's massive sales and it's like you're talking about a minority within that minority (and given how divided the BSN is we may need to go deeper).

Your main issue is exactly that. Yours. I don't think it's an issue at all. Show me some of these people "enraged and betrayed" (hyperbole much ?) over DLC not meeting expectations they themselves came up with. I seriously doubt it's ever as bad as you claim it is. Even if you can dig up a few posts you're still nowhere near justified to make broad, generalizing statements.

[xsdob]

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[Mr. Gogeta34]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Do you guys really think Bioware would troll us like this?

- "high potential for tears"

- Joker, The Normandy's Pilot returning

- All The Writers

We will take control of one of our companions in this DLC a la Joker in ME2 and rescue Shepard some way some how and reunite with our friends and allies at last.

Come on guys this is the only way true peace can be achieved between the BSN, Bioware, and Shepard's story.

You're basing your assumption of ending-related DLC based on those 3 points alone?

I wouldn't if I were you... that's not enough info to suggest anything outside of a tear-jerking Joker-included DLC that's taken more seriously than Omega was.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[AlanC9]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

11-13k units sold worldwide in a few weeks is not good. No matter how you try to slice it.

Welll, yeah. But like I asked, where was a good number going to come from? How many WiiU users are there who are interested enough in an RPG-shooter to play ME3 but who haven't already played ME3 on another platform?

Are there a lot of WiiU users who don't have an alternative console or a gaming PC?

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[liggy002]

I really wish it was an ending DLC man but it's not going to be. Chris Priestly clearly said they were done with the endings so he's not going to lie about it. If he did lie, people would be calling him and Bioware out for it.

I know it sucks man.... but with no Harbinger DLC and no ending DLC they just lost my support and a lot of good fans. It's their loss not mine.

[liggy002]

xsdob wrote...

Is it really a troll if you did all the work of hyping up the dlc and speculating about it all on your own?

The question would be, would you really troll yourself after what happened last time you let your unreal expectations soar?

I'll agree that this is not trolling.  I'll tell you what trolling IS though.  Trolling is releasing a multiplayer DLC trailer with Harbinger in it and then not including it in the single player campaign.  Trollling is no A,B,C ending and no Reaper off switch, your choices mattering etc.

And then they troll us by telling us that if we knew what was coming, the reaction would be different.  That's being very presumptous unless they had actually worked on ending DLC but now we know they are not.

[xsdob]

liggy002 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Is it really a troll if you did all the work of hyping up the dlc and speculating about it all on your own?

The question would be, would you really troll yourself after what happened last time you let your unreal expectations soar?

I'll agree that this is not trolling.  I'll tell you what trolling IS though.  Trolling is releasing a multiplayer DLC trailer with Harbinger in it and then not including it in the single player campaign.  Trollling is no A,B,C ending and no Reaper off switch, your choices mattering etc.

And then they troll us by telling us that if we knew what was coming, the reaction would be different.  That's being very presumptous unless they had actually worked on ending DLC but now we know they are not.

Well, to them, the ending wasn't bad. So, the dlc they had probably would be very good pieces, if the endings weren't part of this whole mess.

I think bringing up your woes like you were hauling around a dead albatros though, isn't really all that healthy. The pre-release statements happened, the ending happened. You either accept that they happened and decide to not trust them anymore, or you accept them and decicde to move on and see what's next, whether cautiously or not us up to you. Bringing it up over and over, but not seeming to accept that they occured, is not healty, espically after months and months have passed.

Also, collectors were added becasue MP fans were requesting more factions and collectors in MP for a long time, this was a bone thrown to us who played the MP due to our patience. Maybe the same will happen for none ending complaints for SP, who knows? I certain;y don't.

Modifié par xsdob, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[HellishFiend]

liggy002 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Is it really a troll if you did all the work of hyping up the dlc and speculating about it all on your own?

The question would be, would you really troll yourself after what happened last time you let your unreal expectations soar?

I'll agree that this is not trolling.  I'll tell you what trolling IS though.  Trolling is releasing a multiplayer DLC trailer with Harbinger in it and then not including it in the single player campaign.  Trollling is no A,B,C ending and no Reaper off switch, your choices mattering etc.

And then they troll us by telling us that if we knew what was coming, the reaction would be different.  That's being very presumptous unless they had actually worked on ending DLC but now we know they are not.

That wasnt Harbinger in the trailer. We havent seen Harbinger since ME2. Not sure why more people dont realize this yet.... 

[liggy002]

HellishFiend wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Is it really a troll if you did all the work of hyping up the dlc and speculating about it all on your own?

The question would be, would you really troll yourself after what happened last time you let your unreal expectations soar?

I'll agree that this is not trolling.  I'll tell you what trolling IS though.  Trolling is releasing a multiplayer DLC trailer with Harbinger in it and then not including it in the single player campaign.  Trollling is no A,B,C ending and no Reaper off switch, your choices mattering etc.

And then they troll us by telling us that if we knew what was coming, the reaction would be different.  That's being very presumptous unless they had actually worked on ending DLC but now we know they are not.

That wasnt Harbinger in the trailer. We havent seen Harbinger since ME2. Not sure why more people dont realize this yet.... 

Yes it was Harbinger.   And  as for voicing my displeasure being unhealthy... I really  have no idea what you are talking about.  I've clearly accepted what they have done even though I think it is retarded.

Modifié par liggy002, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:04 .

[HellishFiend]

liggy002 wrote...


Yes it was Harbinger.   

No, it wasnt. Take a look again at Harbinger from ME2. The "Harbinger" we see in ME3 is not Harbinger. And if you jump outside the narrative to start pointing fingers at Bioware, you are doing it wrong. Stay within the narrative and look for reasons there. 

[liggy002]

HellishFiend wrote...

liggy002 wrote...


Yes it was Harbinger.   

No, it wasnt. Take a look again at Harbinger from ME2. The "Harbinger" we see in ME3 is not Harbinger. And if you jump outside the narrative to start pointing fingers at Bioware, you are doing it wrong. Stay within the narrative and look for reasons there. 

Harbinger controlled the Collectors.  They are his.  He said that "we" have returned and he was controlling the Collectors in the ME3 trailer.  Returned, which implies he returned with his Collectors for "Retaliation" after Shepard destroyed their base in ME2.    It was Harbinger's voice.  Why the hell would they use a Collector ship and the Collectors but not have Harbinger controlling them.... that makes absolutely no sense.

  Also, the biggest evidence of all, is when Bioware said that Harbinger was just for the trailer.  That right there tells you everything you need to know.  I don't know how you think it's not Harbinger.  The MP has links to the narrative, it is narratively inconsistent to have Collectors in MP but not in SP.

[dorktainian]

watching the refuse ending again last night the only thing i can wonder at the moment is how bioware expected us to buy starbrats bullcrud logic? Destroy...yeah of course we'd buy that. Control...WTF? Synthesis....OMG!!!

It's like your aunt buying you a present for christmas, but when you go to collect it she offers you three choices.

1. remove the wrapping paper. this reveals the present but then she gives it to charity.
2. play with the present. you play with it for 10 minutes, then it's whisked away for charity.
3. you actually get the present. however it's so naff that you give it to someone else the following christmas.

of course there is another option. go buy yourself whatever you want. dont rely on other people and expect something worthwhile.

[Savber100]

I want a DLC that doesn't make me feel almost ashamed every time I mention the Mass Effect trilogy.

[xsdob]

Savber100 wrote...

I want a DLC that doesn't make me feel almost ashamed every time I mention the Mass Effect trilogy.

Really? I sometimes wear both my N7 hoodie and my N7 shirt at the same time out and don't feel the least bit ashamed about it. Mainly I feel warm and glad to have it in the thirty degree weather right now.

[Fuzrum77]

 I love your optimisim, OP. And I truly, honestly hope you're right. I miss my love affair with Bioware. But they've cheated on me with Dragon Age 2 (which I can live with), Star Wars Online (which I can NOT live with), and worst of all Mass Effect 3...ALL would be forgiven if they'd just suck it up and correct their huge mistake. HOW can you guys not be working on a reunion/rescue last DLC? We're all asking for it! We're practically shouting: "Take my money!" for it. Please don't let your ego ruin your reputation. I'd buy all your other DLC too! But I sure as hell won't buy anymore meaningless pre-ending DLC nonsense without a proper post-ending DLC send-off. Do the right thing, Bioware. We miss you...

[ME859]

Sanunes wrote...

I don't get the hate towards BioWare, they had a major blunder with all the information being handed out before the games launch in interviews and Twitter type releases. Going back and playing their older games recently Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 1, I tried to play Knights of the Old Republic, but it didn't age well for me. They all have their own flaws that hurt the game, I think a lot of people are just looking for faults anymore and if those games were released now they would want to rip BioWare apart for those games as well.

It shouldn't really be hate but rather agnoizing frustration.  Obviously it started when their pre release promises did not match up at all with what we were given.  On top of that people have consistently begged and pleaed for Bioware to give us an alternate ending even if we have to pay for it.  Bioware at least officially has refused.  

There were also comments like this after the initial rage toward the ending.

Hudson went on to promise fans single-player DLC, and that fan feedback will shape its content: "We have some really great multiplayer content and some really great single-player content coming over the air, (fan) feedback will become part of how we design that."

If Omega for example was designed with fan feedback it makes me wonder who they were listening to.Less story and more mindless shooting with a higher price tag?  

Either way the point is the main thing fans have requested is some sort of alternate ending with a chance to choose between a Shepard lives happily ever after and a Reapers win scenario.  Yet at least according to Bioware it isn't goign to hapeen.  They do this while telling us they value fan feedback.  

I'm sorry but to restore confidence in their brand and get Mass Effect to continue towards the trajectory it was heading before the release of ME3 they have to revisit the ending.  Sure there are people who genuinely like the current ending but a lot more are at best indifferent towards the EC.  

In the end though the thing is not only do fans need a Mass Effect with a satisfying conclusion but the video game industry needs a truly succesful Mass Effect 3 otherwise it will continue the trend of mindless and uninspired titles 

Modifié par ME859, 24 décembre 2012 - 08:53 .