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[Zezer1]

DLCs that play before the ending while everyone already knows the ending are kind of anticlimatic. That's the problem imo.

[Dysjong]

Zezer1 wrote...

DLCs that play before the ending while everyone already knows the ending are kind of anticlimatic. That's the problem imo.

or it could a means to tell more storys about what happende in ME3.

if you can't even accept (not respect) the endings, you will only get disappointed because of your own wishses and standards.

[Archonsg]

Zezer1 wrote...

DLCs that play before the ending while everyone already knows the ending are kind of anticlimatic. That's the problem imo.

Worse.
It gives the impression that the game when bought was ;
1) incomplete
2) content was cut from the main game to be sold later as a cash grab
3) buyer should have just waited for the game to be bargain binned and all dlcs to be out before buying

Case in point, a friend asked if he should get ME3 for his son for Christmas.

I said yes, but make sure to get the EC to lessen the possibilty of his son getting depressed, he'll also need to buy Leviathan DLC if his son is to know more about how the Reapers came to be, and that he'll want to get Omega DLC to fill in the blanks, with Aria on the Citadel, and of course he'll need to buy From Ashes if his son doesn't want to miss some key conversations and info on the Proteans, the Asari and war against the reapers.

His response "So you are saying the game isn't complete when you buy it and my son might get depressed playing it?"

"Yup. Pretty much."

He's buying Borderlands 2 instead.

Modifié par Archonsg, 24 décembre 2012 - 03:33 .

[Bergthron2302]

Archonsg wrote...

Case in point, a friend asked if he should get ME3 for his son for Christmas.

I said yes, but make sure to get the EC to lessen the possibilty of his son getting depressed, he'll also need to buy Leviathan DLC if his son is to know more about how the Reapers came to be, and that he'll want to get Omega DLC to fill in the blanks, with Aria on the Citadel, and of course he'll need to buy From Ashes if his son doesn't want to miss some key conversations and info on the Proteans, the Asari and war against the reapers.

His response "So you are saying the game isn't complete when you buy it and my son might get depressed playing it?"

"Yup. Pretty much."

He's buying Borderlands 2 instead.

You know, if it wasn't such a tragedy I'd find it kinda funny that I had the exact same conversation with a friend of mine...
On top of that he also went for Borderlands 2 and we had lots of great coop sessions with it...

[Archonsg]

@bergthron2032

Yeah.
The real tragedy here is that his son wants to play ME.
He pops in by my place sometimes to watch me play MP and sometimes I let him run around with my toons on Bronze and he goes gaga when I let him since I have all the "good" toys.

Still, I had to be honest when asked.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Fnork wrote...

Fall of the Citadel DLC
Search and rescue of important people throughout the citadel and then evacuating them before the reapers curbstomp everything. The more people and personnel you rescue the more war assets you gain!

Wouldn't be a bad idea, actually. It's a shame the Reapers just take the Citadel offscreen. That's kinda a big deal, given it's their control over the entire galaxy.

[Zezer1]

Dysjong wrote...

Zezer1 wrote...

DLCs that play before the ending while everyone already knows the ending are kind of anticlimatic. That's the problem imo.

or it could a means to tell more storys about what happende in ME3.

if you can't even accept (not respect) the endings, you will only get disappointed because of your own wishses and standards.

Firstoff, I do accept, respect and seriously like the endings of ME3. But it doesn't matter if I like the ending or not. Fact is, that I already know how everything is going to end. And that's the point.

On my first playthrough, I saw how the galaxy was beeing overrun and I thought every little mercenary could perhaps turn the tide in the galactic civilization's favour. And that's why I took every single side mission seriously and enjoyed, because I hoped that it would help my Shepard and the galaxy.

That was then. But now I've already played through ME3 and have accomplished to get the best possible ending.
But for a second playthrough, I wouldn't care as much for the side missions, because I know that I don't have to do all of them to save the galaxy. Thus I wouldn't play most of them.

It's the same matter with playing DLCs, that have nothing to do with the ending. I chose the blue ending, I have a huge reaper army at my disposal.

Now stories like the freeing of Omega appear quite minor compared to your reign of the galaxy at the end of the game.
Enemies like Cerberus seem insignificant, considering you know you'll have the strongest army in the galaxy in a few hours.

The epicness and ultimacy of the ME3 endings make it hard for story DLCs to create tension and atmosphere.

Modifié par Zezer1, 24 décembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[Clayless]

Archonsg wrote...

Zezer1 wrote...

DLCs that play before the ending while everyone already knows the ending are kind of anticlimatic. That's the problem imo.

Worse.
It gives the impression that the game when bought was ;
1) incomplete
2) content was cut from the main game to be sold later as a cash grab
3) buyer should have just waited for the game to be bargain binned and all dlcs to be out before buying

Case in point, a friend asked if he should get ME3 for his son for Christmas.

I said yes, but make sure to get the EC to lessen the possibilty of his son getting depressed, he'll also need to buy Leviathan DLC if his son is to know more about how the Reapers came to be, and that he'll want to get Omega DLC to fill in the blanks, with Aria on the Citadel, and of course he'll need to buy From Ashes if his son doesn't want to miss some key conversations and info on the Proteans, the Asari and war against the reapers.

His response "So you are saying the game isn't complete when you buy it and my son might get depressed playing it?"

"Yup. Pretty much."

He's buying Borderlands 2 instead.

He sounds quite young if other people are buying him games, Mass Effect would probably go right over his head as it's quite complex.

Even ME2 isn't fully understood by people that come to BSN, there's people that still think the Reapers are synthetic for example.

[Archonsg]

@our last scene

You'd be surprised just how much a kid does understand. I know my 7 year old daughter understands most of the concepts and even jokes that I (she equates to my Shepard as me, as I made him to look like me) am kissing other women other than mommy. An o.0 look from me and she'll giggle, obviously understanding that *it is a game*

And oh, she does not like the ending too, simply asking "Why did you have to walk towards that big thing that blows up?"

I said, I wouldn't but it was written that way.

She said "Why? That's stupid."
Then, asked "Did Shepard die?"

I said, "Yeah. Probably."
And you could see her mind working this out, wanting to ask "Why?" but she then decided instead to go bug her brother playing SWTOR.

Ah, to be 7 year old again and simply ignore things I don't want to deal with.

Modifié par Archonsg, 24 décembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[AlanC9]

Archonsg wrote...

She said "Why? That's stupid."
Then, asked "Did Shepard die?"

I said, "Yeah. Probably."

Had she seen the "breath" scene yet? I always assumed even a 7-year-old would know what that meant, but I've never run the experiment.

[Rifneno]

AlanC9 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

She said "Why? That's stupid."
Then, asked "Did Shepard die?"

I said, "Yeah. Probably."

Had she seen the "breath" scene yet? I always assumed even a 7-year-old would know what that meant, but I've never run the experiment.

You'd think, but a lot of people here seem to think it's "Shepard's last breath before dying."

[Clayless]

Archonsg wrote...

@our last scene

You'd be surprised just how much a kid does understand. I know my 7 year old daughter understands most of the concepts and even jokes that I (she equates to my Shepard as me, as I made him to look like me) am kissing other women other than mommy. An o.0 look from me and she'll giggle, obviously understanding that *it is a game*

And oh, she does not like the ending too, simply asking "Why did you have to walk towards that big thing that blows up?"

I said, I wouldn't but it was written that way.

She said "Why? That's stupid."
Then, asked "Did Shepard die?"

I said, "Yeah. Probably."
And you could see her mind working this out, wanting to ask "Why?" but she then decided instead to go bug her brother playing SWTOR.

Ah, to be 7 year old again and simply ignore things I don't want to deal with.

That's why 7 year olds shouldn't play games for adults, they don't understand it.

[Archonsg]

Rifneno wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

She said "Why? That's stupid."
Then, asked "Did Shepard die?"

I said, "Yeah. Probably."

Had she seen the "breath" scene yet? I always assumed even a 7-year-old would know what that meant, but I've never run the experiment.

You'd think, but a lot of people here seem to think it's "Shepard's last breath before dying."

She did.
That was what prompted her to ask if Shepard died.

I believe she thought he died, but didn't want it to be so, so she asked me, while I could lie and said he was rescued, I didn't and she was upset but in her own way chose to ignore it as it was a game.

On a side note, she also has seen the MEHEM version.
Let's just say tbe smile on her face made the trouble of downloading and installing it, worth it.

My older sons (14 and 13) however understands more and because they know better are, like me, rather pissed (with no input from me  ... well maybe a little ;-) ) at how ME3 ends.

Modifié par Archonsg, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[Jadebaby]

Rifneno wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

She said "Why? That's stupid."
Then, asked "Did Shepard die?"

I said, "Yeah. Probably."

Had she seen the "breath" scene yet? I always assumed even a 7-year-old would know what that meant, but I've never run the experiment.

You'd think, but a lot of people here seem to think it's "Shepard's last breath before dying."

Not all, most just think they'll die eventually. Ergo, probably wont be their last breathe. but they aren't surviving.

[Archonsg]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@our last scene

You'd be surprised just how much a kid does understand. I know my 7 year old daughter understands most of the concepts and even jokes that I (she equates to my Shepard as me, as I made him to look like me) am kissing other women other than mommy. An o.0 look from me and she'll giggle, obviously understanding that *it is a game*

And oh, she does not like the ending too, simply asking "Why did you have to walk towards that big thing that blows up?"

I said, I wouldn't but it was written that way.

She said "Why? That's stupid."
Then, asked "Did Shepard die?"

I said, "Yeah. Probably."
And you could see her mind working this out, wanting to ask "Why?" but she then decided instead to go bug her brother playing SWTOR.

Ah, to be 7 year old again and simply ignore things I don't want to deal with.

That's why 7 year olds shouldn't play games for adults, they don't understand it.

/shrugs
While sone adults don't seem to understand "adult" concepts that even a 7 year old can.

[AlanC9]

Archonsg wrote...

She did.
That was what prompted her to ask if Shepard died.

Wel, there goes that hypothesis. But why did you lie to her?

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

She did.
That was what prompted her to ask if Shepard died.

Wel, there goes that hypothesis. But why did you lie to her?

He didn't.

For a variety of reasons it can be derived that Shepard is going to die shortly after that breath.

If I told you that a submarine blows up 10,000 feet below the atlantic ocean, then cut to black, only to fade in with the captain just breaking the surface then cut to black again you won't sit there and tell me "Oh its obvious he's alive"

You'd be questioning how the hell the author could possibly think any human being could survive 10,000 feet below the ocean surface, rise to the surface without his lungs exploding, and how exactly this got past the editing team.

Then you'd go on to list the unlikelyhood of rescue arriving before hypothermia and/or dehydration sets in.

Author intent is nothing without proper execution. And believe me ME3's "breath scene" did not contain proper execution

Modifié par ld1449, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[AlanC9]

This is silly. Sure, if he's alive you've got some plot problems. But that doesn't mean he's dead, it means you've got plot problems.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:04 .

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...



This is silly. Sure, if he's alive you've got some plot problems. But that doesn't mean he's dead, it means you've got plot problems.

And plot to many people is MUCH more important.

Characters and plot are both integrally important in storytelling but characters, or love of these characters cannot fully carry a story at the 11th hour, which Mass effect 3 proved when they completely dropped the plot at the 11th hour.

If you wan't to kill off a character for XYZ reason fine, kill off the character, but not this half in half out bull**** of "Oh well we putthe breath scene in so people angry we killed him will be mollified by the fact that he's "obviously" alive. Because then you just irritate those that prefer that their stories actually make sense.

Going after two hares they ended up catching neither.

[AlanC9]

That has nothing to do with whether or not the guy died. And you obviously know it doesn't ( not sure about Archonsg).

Or are you just going off on a tangent? But then why did you say Archonsg was telling thet truth when you know he wasn't?

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:17 .

[Archonsg]

ld1449 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

She did.
That was what prompted her to ask if Shepard died.

Wel, there goes that hypothesis. But why did you lie to her?

He didn't.

For a variety of reasons it can be derived that Shepard is going to die shortly after that breath.

If I told you that a submarine blows up 10,000 feet below the atlantic ocean, then cut to black, only to fade in with the captain just breaking the surface then cut to black again you won't sit there and tell me "Oh its obvious he's alive"

You'd be questioning how the hell the author could possibly think any human being could survive 10,000 feet below the ocean surface, rise to the surface without his lungs exploding, and how exactly this got past the editing team.

Then you'd go on to list the unlikelyhood of rescue arriving before hypothermia and/or dehydration sets in.

Author intent is nothing without proper execution. And believe me ME3's "breath scene" did not contain proper execution

That is correct.
Now take into account that Shepard was last seen on the Citadel which was in high orbit, take into account the breath scene has a body on *rubble* (concrete) and in case you are wondering, to split a concrete pavement rquires 3.75 N/mm2 (The newton is the SI unit of force; it is equal to the amount of net force required to accelerate a mass of one kilogram at a rate of one meter per second squared. Since Newton's second law of motion states F = ma, multiplying m (kg) by a (m/s2), the newton is therefore N = kg w/s2 which in lay man's term to split a large area of concrete pavement, such as we see in the "breath scene" requires a hell lot of force.

Anyways.
So we have Shepard somehow on the ground, which has split from some impact , he's already lost a good amount of blood, possible suffered aphyxiation from prolonged vacuum exposure, severe blunt trauma and more likely severe head injuries since he doesn't have a helmet anymore. Yeah, he's likely dead. 

Ps I forgot to add that a human skull requires about 1.05 -1.9 N/mm2 (give or take density) to crack like an eggshell (please correct me if I am wrong)

Modifié par Archonsg, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:25 .

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...

That has nothing to do with whether or not the guy died. And you obviously know it doesn't ( not sure about Archonsg).

Or are you just going off on a tangent? But then why did you say Archonsg was telling thet truth when you know he wasn't?

You believe he wasn't.

I believe he was.

Truth like most things in this world is relative.

You belive Shepard lived.

I believe he died, for a myriad of reasons. Not the least of which was the absolutely massive explosion that engulphed the Citadel/presidium.

As far as plot not having to do with him living or not living I suppose not, though you were the one that brought it up in the first place.

[Archonsg]

ld1449 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

That has nothing to do with whether or not the guy died. And you obviously know it doesn't ( not sure about Archonsg).

Or are you just going off on a tangent? But then why did you say Archonsg was telling thet truth when you know he wasn't?

You believe he wasn't.

I believe he was.

Truth like most things in this world is relative.

You belive Shepard lived.

I believe he died, for a myriad of reasons. Not the least of which was the absolutely massive explosion that engulphed the Citadel/presidium.

As far as plot not having to do with him living or not living I suppose not, though you were the one that brought it up in the first place.

Given the scene we had, it would be logical to state that Shepard died on impact and that "breath"  was an inaccurate portrayal of what happened.
We are missing details like, was Shepard teleported from the Citadel?
Was he in freefall orbit / did planetary re-entry?
How did he end up on concrete rubble when the citadel doesn't use concrete?
Considering orbital re-entry how long would anyone find, if anyone could track fallen debris where Shepard landed? 
And even if they did, how long did they took to get to him?

Evidence to me just points to a man or woman to be found dead. KIA.

[AlanC9]

Wait a  second....

Archonsg wrote...
Now take into account that Shepard was last seen on the Citadel which was in high orbit, take into account the breath scene has a body on *rubble* (concrete) ...

This whole argument would be of interest if we were analyzing a documentary, found footage, or something similar. But applied to a work of fiction it's irrelevant.

Surely a 7-year-old knows the difference?

Edit: after reading this...

Given the scene we had, it would be logical to state that Shepard died on impact and that "breath"  was an inaccurate portrayal of what happened.

...I'm not 100% certain you do, either.

Or am I just missing the jokes here?

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 décembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[paul165]

iakus wrote...

anorling wrote...



Hope... is indeed the last thing that dies in man.

Without hope, we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we're told 

Oh can I play:

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment (seems apt for this thread I feel).

@Mdoggy the quote I found suggests ME3 on the WiiU sold 23.7k (in two weeks) http://www.ign.com/b...ales.452790444/

However I have not seen the source material so I have no idea how accurate it is.