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[Sonashi]

A bit off-topic but nevetheless...

Has anybody ever heard of tv series - The adventures of Merlin? Today I watched the last episode on BBC1. And guess what happened? 

These are some of the comments from the official page of the series on facebook:


SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS



 - Merlin ending, what the hell? Why does Merlin end up as a tramp? Thought they
kind of hurriedly rounded it all off- they made a massive thing over
Arthur's death and then Gwaine, Mordred and Morgana just seemed to
disappear as the episode went on. Glad to see Percival getting some more
stuff to do though. Shame we never got to see anything about Albion at
the end though, e.g. Merlin nearly getting hit by a lorry. It seems a
bit weird that the whole programme is building up to 'the once and
future Albion' and then we don't get to see any of it
Also, I woulda thought that the whole of Camelot would want to salute
Arthur into the lake but oh well. I think they still need a couple more
episodes to fully finish it off


- What a sucky ending!

- You can't end it like that bloody hell

- No more Merlin. BBC say its finished

- It was the most rubbish ending I have ever seen, so many questions were
not answered, We dont know if:"Merlin would ever become the greatest
warlock?", if "Arthur will be the best king" and most importantly if
Albion was to ever to be created?" honestly the build up and all the
hard work was for nothing and i believe viewers should have deserved
more

I THINK I"VE SEEN THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE BEFORE. But probably it wasn't their artistic vision. They just followed the legend of King Arthur.

Modifié par Sonashi, 24 décembre 2012 - 11:31 .

[paul165]

If they followed the legend Merlin would get sealed in a tree and Arthur gets killed by the son he had with his half sister so they probably didn't follow the legends all that closely.

[Sonashi]

@paul165

SPOILER

Yes. I should've mention that Arthur's death was that part of the legend, not the way he died. Sorry.

[Mavqt]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Do you guys really think Bioware would troll us like this?

Yes?

I mean look at the entire hype up for ME3.  All those lies... I have to believe Casey made a fat old troll face when he said "No A B C endings"

Maybe he's indoctronated, and truly believes it.

Or it's because it more like. Aa Ab Ac, Ba Bb, C.

[Clayless]

mavqt wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Do you guys really think Bioware would troll us like this?

Yes?

I mean look at the entire hype up for ME3.  All those lies... I have to believe Casey made a fat old troll face when he said "No A B C endings"

Maybe he's indoctronated, and truly believes it.

Or it's because it more like. Aa Ab Ac, Ba Bb, C.

Actually he said:

Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a chart for that. Even with Mass Effect 2’s...

In other words he was talking about all the things that would be different by the end of the game, like in ME2. How there's "some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters."

Those that hate the ending don't like admiting that he's right, by the end of the game galaxies can be vastly different, and instead quote him out of context. Because the best way to prove that Bioware were lying is to lie, apparently.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 25 décembre 2012 - 01:53 .

[Peranor]

Sonashi wrote...

A bit off-topic but nevetheless...

Has anybody ever heard of tv series - The adventures of Merlin? Today I watched the last episode on BBC1. And guess what happened? 

These are some of the comments from the official page of the series on facebook:


SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS



 - Merlin ending, what the hell? Why does Merlin end up as a tramp? Thought they
kind of hurriedly rounded it all off- they made a massive thing over
Arthur's death and then Gwaine, Mordred and Morgana just seemed to
disappear as the episode went on. Glad to see Percival getting some more
stuff to do though. Shame we never got to see anything about Albion at
the end though, e.g. Merlin nearly getting hit by a lorry. It seems a
bit weird that the whole programme is building up to 'the once and
future Albion' and then we don't get to see any of it
Also, I woulda thought that the whole of Camelot would want to salute
Arthur into the lake but oh well. I think they still need a couple more
episodes to fully finish it off


- What a sucky ending!

- You can't end it like that bloody hell

- No more Merlin. BBC say its finished

- It was the most rubbish ending I have ever seen, so many questions were
not answered, We dont know if:"Merlin would ever become the greatest
warlock?", if "Arthur will be the best king" and most importantly if
Albion was to ever to be created?" honestly the build up and all the
hard work was for nothing and i believe viewers should have deserved
more

I THINK I"VE SEEN THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE BEFORE. But probably it wasn't their artistic vision. They just followed the legend of King Arthur.

Ever watched Chuck?
The fans was rather upset over the ending to that TV series as well.
It was said to "lack closure". It was "open ended and ambiguous". It was "too sad" etc etc.
People even said it had "bad writing" and that "the writers should have finished the story, not the fans".

Recognize any of this?

Modifié par anorling, 25 décembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[ld1449]

Andromidius wrote...

ld1449 wrote...
Shepard go hit by Reaper beam, shot in the abdomen, mostlikely has a concussion to boot, got blown up, fell god only knows where from how far a drop we don't know either, is at least hours away from rescue, FAR away from a proper, well stocked medical room along with a doctor. Is likely suffering from severe bloodloss if not internal injuries and you want me to just accept that the half rendered torso means he's alive?

Okay.  Take that information.  Now figure out how its possible.

Its pretty easy.  Think back to the last time Shepard was in a place where there was lots of rubble and his/her armour was badly damaged.

Are we back to the Indoc theory???

Honestly the Indoc. theory at this point is just denial of the fact that the ending (and Kai Leng and the opening earth mission) were just plain old bad writing. There is no brilliant surprise coming.

[Mr.House]

-Fall of the Citadel
-Battle of Earth redone
-One of the council races homeworlds

[Norwood06]

Fnork wrote...

Fall of the Citadel DLC
Search and rescue of important people throughout the citadel and then evacuating them before the reapers curbstomp everything. The more people and personnel you rescue the more war assets you gain!

Fall of Citadel DLC:
"potential for tears":  check
need for a lot of VAs:  check
doesn't touch ending:  check
fits with citadel mention from datamining:  check

I think this is what it'll be.  And I'd be very happy if I'm right.  I was always bothered how something this signficant never got screentime, not even a cut scene. 

[chemiclord]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Actually he said:

Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a chart for that. Even with Mass Effect 2’s...

In other words he was talking about all the things that would be different by the end of the game, like in ME2. How there's "some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters."

Those that hate the ending don't like admiting that he's right, by the end of the game galaxies can be vastly different, and instead quote him out of context. Because the best way to prove that Bioware were lying is to lie, apparently.

I think we need to start 100 threads with this interview and what Casey Hudson REALLY said until it sinks in.

...

Ah, who am I kidding?  It's never going to sink in.  It's far easier to rip something out of context and use it as an excuse for butthurt and rage.

Modifié par chemiclord, 25 décembre 2012 - 03:47 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

chemiclord wrote...
I think we need to start 100 threads with this interview and what Casey Hudson REALLY said until it sinks in.

...

Ah, who am I kidding?  It's never going to sink in.  It's far easier to rip something out of context and use it as an excuse for butthurt and rage.

Quote was made pre EC and was still crap even with context. You didn't know what happend to most of the characters past the Normandy crash, or the state of the characters on the Citadel, or left on earth, only thing we knew for certain was the fate of the Rachni Krogan Geth and Quarians if you decided to kill them before hand.

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
In other words he was talking about all the things that would be different by the end of the game, like in ME2. How there's "some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters."

Those that hate the ending don't like admiting that he's right, by the end of the game galaxies can be vastly different, and instead quote him out of context. Because the best way to prove that Bioware were lying is to lie, apparently.

No points awarded for claiming minor details are what makes the endings different if you compeletly ignore them in said endings. It wasn't until the EC that they even got the the right LI slide in for crapsake, everyone got Liara. So no he wasn't right, he made good on the quote with the EC to a certain extent, but that was after we called him out on his BS.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 25 décembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[Clayless]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
In other words he was talking about all the things that would be different by the end of the game, like in ME2. How there's "some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters."

Those that hate the ending don't like admiting that he's right, by the end of the game galaxies can be vastly different, and instead quote him out of context. Because the best way to prove that Bioware were lying is to lie, apparently.

No points awarded for claiming minor details are what makes the endings different if you compeletly ignore them in said endings. It wasn't until the EC that they even got the the right LI slide in for crapsake, everyone got Liara. So no he wasn't right, he made good on the quote with the EC to a certain extent, but that was after we called him out on his BS.

Because apparently the extinction of the Rachni and Quarians are minor details, and you need to be reminded of them yet again for them to have happened.

[iOnlySignIn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Watch it be something really overpriced and insignificant. Like Omega.

[iOnlySignIn]

Bergthron2302 wrote...

It always boggles my mind just how little understanding bioware has on the effects their statements have...
They have to be aware of the fact that approx. 80% of all ME enthusiasts want different endings or at least something that adds to them, expands them or saves Shep or whatever.
They have to be aware that remarks like "high potential for tears" and the "involvement of all writers" fuel the hope many of the players have that bioware might redeem themselves.
Obviously they don't want to do anything with the endings anymore but fail to realize what effect their remarks have on the community.

Oh but they are perfectly aware of the effect of their statements. 

The effect is more people spending money to buy their products.

[Jadebaby]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Watch it be something really overpriced and insignificant. Like Omega.

I hate to say it but this seems increasingly likely, especially if it's the fall of the citadel, who wants to play a dlc when you already know what's going to happen? And who the feck needs moar war assets, seriously?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Because apparently the extinction of the Rachni and Quarians are minor details, and you need to be reminded of them yet again for them to have happened.

That's what 2 variables? This is too much to include in you're widely different color swapped endings? And yes reminding you that you helped take part in genocide isn't something that should just be skimmed over, a serious consequence deserves some bloody recognition.

[AlanC9]

Greylycantrope wrote...

That's what 2 variables? This is too much to include in you're widely different color swapped endings? And yes reminding you that you helped take part in genocide isn't something that should just be skimmed over, a serious consequence deserves some bloody recognition.

Why do we need to be reminded of something we're well aware of, again?

Edit: as someone else pointed out to me a while back, the problem with threads like these is that "ending" can mean both the final state of the game universe and the cinematics and whatnot that ime at the end of the game. I'm not sure why complaints about the latter so often turn into complaints  about the former, though.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 décembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

AlanC9 wrote...
Why do we need to be reminded of something we're well aware of, again?

Why did we need to see a slide of Anderson, Joker and our LI before the end? Reflection, closure.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 25 décembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[dirtdiver32318]

Honestly dont count on it they were pretty clear on there situation on the ending... Would it be nice yes.. is it highly possible .... most likely not.

[Clayless]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Because apparently the extinction of the Rachni and Quarians are minor details, and you need to be reminded of them yet again for them to have happened.

That's what 2 variables? This is too much to include in you're widely different color swapped endings? And yes reminding you that you helped take part in genocide isn't something that should just be skimmed over, a serious consequence deserves some bloody recognition.

In other words Casey wasn't lying, it's just that people never got reminded about something that they did mere hours earlier right at the end of the game?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

In other words Casey wasn't lying, it's just that people never got reminded about something that they did mere hours earlier right at the end of the game?

No he still was, as I said the Rachni Geth and Quarians were the only details we knew about for certain, there was a lot more to it than just those subplots and characters, you attempting to shift the focus doesn't change that.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 25 décembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Clayless]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

In other words Casey wasn't lying, it's just that people never got reminded about something that they did mere hours earlier right at the end of the game?

No he still was, as I said the Rachni Geth and Quarians were the only details we knew about for certain, there was a lot more to it than just those subplots and characters, you attempting to shift the focus doesn't change that.

Please, elaborate.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I'll be as succinct as possible.
Pre EC status of the following is unknown:
The Council(political vacuum if dead, big galactic ramifications), Aria, Kelly Chambers, Bailey, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Wrex(galactic ramifications), Primarch Vitus(more galactic ramifications), Zaeed, Miranda, Grunt, Samara, etc.

The Normandy has it's engines blown off, crew is stranded on unknown world, status of allied fleet unknown, rescue uncertain as a result status of Garrus, Vega, Joker etc unknown post initial crash.

These are the sorts of variables he is talking about which were blatantly ignored until the EC.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 25 décembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[Clayless]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I'll be as succinct as possible.
Pre EC of status of the following is unknown:
The Council(political vacuum if dead, big galactic ramifications), Aria, Kelly Chambers, Bailey, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Wrex(galactic ramifications), Primarch Vitus(more galactic ramifications), Zaeed, Miranda, Grunt, Samara, etc.

The Normandy has it's engines blown off, crew is stranded on unknown world, status of allied fleet unknown, rescue uncertain as a result status of Garrus, Vega, Joker etc unknown post initial crash.

These are the sorts of variables he is talking about which were blatantly ignored until the EC.

So what he said was true, it was just not clear what happened to a few of those things until the EC?

[GreyLycanTrope]

It's not true because it's entirely unknown what happened. He states the variables are what makes the difference and then doesn't include the variables. It was a blatant lie.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 25 décembre 2012 - 06:40 .