The Reaper War will undoubtedly force the makeup of the Citadel Council to change and more than likely at least one or more new races will be granted a council member. A few that I think would be deserving or should be on the council for various reasons:
Quarians
They contributed a very large contingency of ships and even a few ground trips against the Reapers after the truce(depending on one's own playthough) with the Geth. Not a very militant race and have a lot to offer in terms of technology.
Hanar
While not having contributed much in the war, they have a long and peaceful history with the Citadel and would be the only aquatic race to be on the council.
Volus
This one would be extremely overdue since they have one of the longest histories with the Citadel and are largely credited with establishing the galactic economy. The only problem would be their status as a Turian client race which would certainly make them biased with any matters involving the Hierarchy.
Elcor
Another race with a pretty long membership in the galactic community and a peaceful one. Can't remember if they're a Turian client race or not though.
Geth
Yeah I know they would be a stretch and they might not accept a seat on the council even if offered since it might not be something they're race cares about. Though it would be a historic milestone to have a synthetic race on the council.
Krogan
Defeated the Rachni when that race was indoctrinated by Sovereign long ago and contributed a large and powerful ground force against the Reapers. I doubt Primarch Victus would object since he begged for their help in defending Palaven. If they could find a person similar to Wrex or one of the females like Eve, I don't see why not.
A larger council would be much more beneficial to the galaxy with more races having a say in their business.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 04:50
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I think the Quarians deserve their embassy back at the very least and would be the best candidate for a Council seat if anyone got one.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 04:50
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Makai81 wrote...
A larger council would be much more beneficial to the galaxy with more races having a say in their business.
Why?
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 04:51
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Quarians, Geth and krogan are off the table straight away because they are all choice dependant.
Honestly, i can see the council being dissolved inbetween this and the next game.
Edit; shepard already made them redundant by uniting the racial leaders without them.
Honestly, i can see the council being dissolved inbetween this and the next game.
Edit; shepard already made them redundant by uniting the racial leaders without them.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 04:52
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Well the members we see from the games are more than likely dead when the Citadel went KRAK-A-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
As for new members I'm not entirely sure who they'd be. I'm not even sure the other races would get seats. It was established in ME1 that races have to meet certain criteria to be offered a seat. The Volus for example were the third race there and still are not members because they cannot fight worth a damn. Hell, their only dreadnought was from the Turians who are hired for the protection.
As for new members I'm not entirely sure who they'd be. I'm not even sure the other races would get seats. It was established in ME1 that races have to meet certain criteria to be offered a seat. The Volus for example were the third race there and still are not members because they cannot fight worth a damn. Hell, their only dreadnought was from the Turians who are hired for the protection.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 04:53
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What Council?
Unless the Reapers rebuild the relays in a matter of months, and the galaxy kindly obliges their participation, the Council is dead by default thanks to the distances involved.
Unless the Reapers rebuild the relays in a matter of months, and the galaxy kindly obliges their participation, the Council is dead by default thanks to the distances involved.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 04:54
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David7204 wrote...
Makai81 wrote...
A larger council would be much more beneficial to the galaxy with more races having a say in their business.
Why?
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 04:57
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
What Council?
Unless the Reapers rebuild the relays in a matter of months, and the galaxy kindly obliges their participation, the Council is dead by default thanks to the distances involved.
There is always the possibility that the surviving races might be able to rebuild the mass relays. The Protheans were developing their own similar technology and Matriarch Aethyta proposed the same thing for the Asari.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:03
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Quarians are the most likely to be offered a seat. Definitely one of the most powerful militaries in the galaxy and less bad blood on the part of the Council towards them than say the Krogan (Though Quarians might still be sore over the Council's lack of support when they lost 99% of their population). They also will have lots of fresh resources that the galaxy will need after gaining back their old colonies. Also, possible alliance with Geth would make them impossible to ignore.
The poor Volus deserve a seat as well. They have been waiting forever, and they are essentially what kept the economy running during the war. They even have a small but efficient military, with a powerful bombing fleet and an independently built dreadnaught. I also think it's been stated they were next in line before the humans came, so I can imagine that they have been preparing for this for a while.
The poor Volus deserve a seat as well. They have been waiting forever, and they are essentially what kept the economy running during the war. They even have a small but efficient military, with a powerful bombing fleet and an independently built dreadnaught. I also think it's been stated they were next in line before the humans came, so I can imagine that they have been preparing for this for a while.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:15
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Deserving is irrelevent. To be effective, the council must reflect the balance of power.
Geth and Krogan are obvious people to be offered seats.
Quarians, probably not, their power will likely nosedive once they're no longer a space living people. With Rannoch back, they're going to turn into just a one planet race with a tiny population.
Volus should get a seat because they're rich and money=power. Though really they need to get the balls to demand it themselves, and maybe build a few more dreadnoughts to back up the demand.
Geth and Krogan are obvious people to be offered seats.
Quarians, probably not, their power will likely nosedive once they're no longer a space living people. With Rannoch back, they're going to turn into just a one planet race with a tiny population.
Volus should get a seat because they're rich and money=power. Though really they need to get the balls to demand it themselves, and maybe build a few more dreadnoughts to back up the demand.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:22
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Wulfram wrote...
Deserving is irrelevent. To be effective, the council must reflect the balance of power.
Geth and Krogan are obvious people to be offered seats.
Quarians, probably not, their power will likely nosedive once they're no longer a space living people. With Rannoch back, they're going to turn into just a one planet race with a tiny population.
Volus should get a seat because they're rich and money=power. Though really they need to get the balls to demand it themselves, and maybe build a few more dreadnoughts to back up the demand.
I disagree, Geth and Krogan have some of the worse chances of gaining power.
Geth are Geth, a synthetic race that 99.999% of the galaxy still see as the ones that attacked Eden Prime, the Citadel, and committed genocide/near genocide on the Quarians. There is no trust, and besides military, they add no economic, cultural, diplomatic or other benefits to galactic society. There is also likely no desire on their part to even join the council.
The Krogan are more realistic, but they are still relatively confined to one planet, one radioactive barren planet. They don't even have an effective military, sure they have the best ground force, but they have no fleet, and fleets are what win intergalactic wars. Not to mention any attempt to join the council will be vigorously opposed by the Salarians.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:27
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By the time the surviving races rebuild their own mass relays, the Council will have not existed for so long that the Council system itself will be an anachronism. Xeno-nationalism as a defining principle of the galaxy is going to be a dead letter with the post-relay order is going to be redefined by reorganization along lines of galactic geography, not biology.Makai81 wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
What Council?
Unless the Reapers rebuild the relays in a matter of months, and the galaxy kindly obliges their participation, the Council is dead by default thanks to the distances involved.
There is always the possibility that the surviving races might be able to rebuild the mass relays. The Protheans were developing their own similar technology and Matriarch Aethyta proposed the same thing for the Asari.
You might have successor states to the various species, particularly in the space around their homeworlds, but the isolated parts of the galaxy will reshape around the lines of Omega and the Terminus: multi-species, geographically-defined boundaries. One species, one voice is going to be defunct when every species is scattered without a single common identity.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:31
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The Geth can certainly add a lot to the economy if they took part. And they've got a huge amount of military potential. I agree they might well not want to take part, but it would be foolish and dangerous to exclude such a power.
The Krogan... well, in some ways I 'd say you're right. But I was trying to go on Bioware logic, which says they're a major military power (see all the war assets) and that with their growth rate they'll have an economy capable of supporting a fleet soon enough. On more "real world" logic, your points are valid, though I'd still say that it would be a sensible move to offer Wrex a seat at least, though Wreav might make people be more inclined to just station a few dreadnoughts around Tuchanka and blow up any signs of heavy industry
The Krogan... well, in some ways I 'd say you're right. But I was trying to go on Bioware logic, which says they're a major military power (see all the war assets) and that with their growth rate they'll have an economy capable of supporting a fleet soon enough. On more "real world" logic, your points are valid, though I'd still say that it would be a sensible move to offer Wrex a seat at least, though Wreav might make people be more inclined to just station a few dreadnoughts around Tuchanka and blow up any signs of heavy industry
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:32
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We're also going to need to define/establish the post-galactic order a bit first. For example, Earth nuked by the Crucible is a bit different for Humanity than Earth with a high-EMS crucible.Wulfram wrote...
Deserving is irrelevent. To be effective, the council must reflect the balance of power.
Geth and Krogan are obvious people to be offered seats.
Quarians, probably not, their power will likely nosedive once they're no longer a space living people. With Rannoch back, they're going to turn into just a one planet race with a tiny population.
Volus should get a seat because they're rich and money=power. Though really they need to get the balls to demand it themselves, and maybe build a few more dreadnoughts to back up the demand.
Plus, you know, Control. There is one Council worth noting, and that's the preferences of the Shepard.
Post-destroy, the balkanization of the galaxy strikes me as too extreme to make the Council system relevant. Most of the galaxy won't be able to talk to eachother, let alone rule eachother.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:36
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Council blah, my head canon post reaper war destroy ending, is that humanity rebuilds and takes control of the Citadel for themselves. No more of this galactic wide government, the Council is no more.
Lol, really though, I don't see how the Council can still exist after the reaper war. By the end of Mass Effect 3 the military of most of the races take control, and with the state of the galaxy after the war I see the military staying in control till everybody rebuilds.
Edit: except in Control where Shepard AI is in control of the galaxy.
Lol, really though, I don't see how the Council can still exist after the reaper war. By the end of Mass Effect 3 the military of most of the races take control, and with the state of the galaxy after the war I see the military staying in control till everybody rebuilds.
Edit: except in Control where Shepard AI is in control of the galaxy.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:39
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Well, Bioware retconned the dark age. The official word is 10-15 years for total restoration. That's why I think the council will probably continue to exist (at least in "Destroy"). I'd keep the current 4 races and add 1-2 rotating seats for the species mentioned in the OP.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 05:51
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Wulfram wrote...
The Geth can certainly add a lot to the economy if they took part. And they've got a huge amount of military potential. I agree they might well not want to take part, but it would be foolish and dangerous to exclude such a power.
The Krogan... well, in some ways I 'd say you're right. But I was trying to go on Bioware logic, which says they're a major military power (see all the war assets) and that with their growth rate they'll have an economy capable of supporting a fleet soon enough. On more "real world" logic, your points are valid, though I'd still say that it would be a sensible move to offer Wrex a seat at least, though Wreav might make people be more inclined to just station a few dreadnoughts around Tuchanka and blow up any signs of heavy industry
The Geth certainly have the potential add a lot, but I don't know if they could. The idea of a capitalist economy is entirely foreign to them since they are essentially perfect communists. Even the Turians, an industrialized organic species, were lost in it without the Volus. But ya, they definitely can't be ignored, but unlike other potential council species like the Quarians and Krogan, the Geth never even had an embassy, so if anything they will have to start at the bottom and work their way up.
The Krogan are just a wild card. Under Wreav, there might be war and a second genophage. Under Wrex and Bakara, they could probably get their act together enough to make a serious effort at a council seat. In fact, it might just be as simple as outliving the Dalatrass. Not too difficult a feat for a Krogan.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 06:11
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I don't expect the Council to change at all really. Once civilization gets back on its feet that is. Oh they'd be grateful to the other races to be sure, and some negativity might be shed away from humanity and aimed towards the Asari and/or Salarians, (Turians would be respected as always) but I don't see them flat-out making almost every race a Council race.
Besides, those meetings would all just go one way anyway. They start with a discussion, and end with the Krogan Councilor headbutting the rest into submission.
Besides, those meetings would all just go one way anyway. They start with a discussion, and end with the Krogan Councilor headbutting the rest into submission.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 06:55
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I can't see too much change to the present Citadel Council. Though some members could lose some of their political clout after the Reaper War.
Krogan: If they can remain peaceful (notably under Wrex), it is very possible that they can leapfrog over the other races for a spot on the Council. Definitely guaranteed an embassy. Under Wreav on the other hand, I wouldn't rule out a perma-phage if he decides to get out of hand. At the very least, the krogan are looking at a civil war.
Hanar/Drell: Not a Council member yet, but very respected for their efforts among the second tier species.
Volus: Considering we have volus stepping up big time during the Reaper War with their monetary contributions and offering their best in military forces (look at MP), I can see an exception being made and allowing them on the Council.
Elcor: They weren't in much of a position to be of help due to their position in the galaxy. I can't fault them for it.
Quarians/Geth: If the quarians wipe out the geth, I can see them getting an embassy back. If the geth were deleted as a result of the Destroy ending, I can again see the quarians getting an embassy back. The geth on their own I doubt will get an embassy as organics may not trust them yet. Geth and quarians together I can see them sharing an embassy.
Batarians: Who are they again?
As for the actual Council:
Salarians: If you cure the genophage, and you lose Valern/Esheel, that's two fleets you lose for your war effort. I can see the humans and turians giving the salarians utter hell for their terrible contribution to the galactic effort unless they contribute both the 1st and 3rd fleets.
Asari: They sat out of the original war summit. That can also hurt their clout in future decision making. And if it gets out that they were withholding Prothean technology for themselves, that will drastically hurt their position as the voice of reason on the Council.
Turians: They took a beating and didn't back down once. They are still representing the military might of the Citadel Council. They'll do a bulk of the peacekeeping during the rebuilding process.
Humans: They spearheaded the war effort. Due to allying with the turians at the start of the Reaper War, the humans gained even more political power and picked up lots of turian support along the way. I can see the humans and turians leading the galaxy into the future.
Krogan: If they can remain peaceful (notably under Wrex), it is very possible that they can leapfrog over the other races for a spot on the Council. Definitely guaranteed an embassy. Under Wreav on the other hand, I wouldn't rule out a perma-phage if he decides to get out of hand. At the very least, the krogan are looking at a civil war.
Hanar/Drell: Not a Council member yet, but very respected for their efforts among the second tier species.
Volus: Considering we have volus stepping up big time during the Reaper War with their monetary contributions and offering their best in military forces (look at MP), I can see an exception being made and allowing them on the Council.
Elcor: They weren't in much of a position to be of help due to their position in the galaxy. I can't fault them for it.
Quarians/Geth: If the quarians wipe out the geth, I can see them getting an embassy back. If the geth were deleted as a result of the Destroy ending, I can again see the quarians getting an embassy back. The geth on their own I doubt will get an embassy as organics may not trust them yet. Geth and quarians together I can see them sharing an embassy.
Batarians: Who are they again?
As for the actual Council:
Salarians: If you cure the genophage, and you lose Valern/Esheel, that's two fleets you lose for your war effort. I can see the humans and turians giving the salarians utter hell for their terrible contribution to the galactic effort unless they contribute both the 1st and 3rd fleets.
Asari: They sat out of the original war summit. That can also hurt their clout in future decision making. And if it gets out that they were withholding Prothean technology for themselves, that will drastically hurt their position as the voice of reason on the Council.
Turians: They took a beating and didn't back down once. They are still representing the military might of the Citadel Council. They'll do a bulk of the peacekeeping during the rebuilding process.
Humans: They spearheaded the war effort. Due to allying with the turians at the start of the Reaper War, the humans gained even more political power and picked up lots of turian support along the way. I can see the humans and turians leading the galaxy into the future.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 06:59
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I like this. This is exactly why I feel the next game, if a sequel, has great potential. The destruction of the relays allows for a whole new set of storylines and motivations and a move away from the old, almost coldwar-like racial tensions of the past games.Dean_the_Young wrote...
By the time the surviving races rebuild their own mass relays, the Council will have not existed for so long that the Council system itself will be an anachronism. Xeno-nationalism as a defining principle of the galaxy is going to be a dead letter with the post-relay order is going to be redefined by reorganization along lines of galactic geography, not biology.Makai81 wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
What Council?
Unless the Reapers rebuild the relays in a matter of months, and the galaxy kindly obliges their participation, the Council is dead by default thanks to the distances involved.
There is always the possibility that the surviving races might be able to rebuild the mass relays. The Protheans were developing their own similar technology and Matriarch Aethyta proposed the same thing for the Asari.
You might have successor states to the various species, particularly in the space around their homeworlds, but the isolated parts of the galaxy will reshape around the lines of Omega and the Terminus: multi-species, geographically-defined boundaries. One species, one voice is going to be defunct when every species is scattered without a single common identity.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 07:27
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I would imagine as the Council failed comprehensively during the war that even assuming the relays are rebuilt the Council degenerates into more of a free trade organisation or even a talking shop rather than a serious attempt at a galactic government. In which case anyone with at least some economic and military power coupled (hopefully) with some respect for sentient rights (looking at you here 4 eyes) would be able to have a seat.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 09:42
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Assuming the Citadel Council still exists as an entity after the war, I would see a huge shakeup in its membership.
1. The Asari:
- ME3 revealed that the Asari hoarded Prothean tech and even hid the existence of the Vendetta (that VI would have been extremely helpful early on) even as the Reapers encroached on their allies territory.
- At the very least I could see the rest of the Council race booting them out. At the worst I could see another war unleashed on them.
2. Krogan:
- Depends on whom is their leader. Wrex would make a good case for renewed Krogan membership. Wreav would be very hostile to the Council races.
3. Turians:
- Would almost certainly keep their seat, due to their military. Given that Palaven is wreck by now, it would be reduced status but their militarized structure would build up their forces quickly.
- Would be residual bitterness thanks to "Ahh Yes Reapers.." Councillor.
4. Humans:
- Keep their status, given the success that is Shepard and Co.
1. The Asari:
- ME3 revealed that the Asari hoarded Prothean tech and even hid the existence of the Vendetta (that VI would have been extremely helpful early on) even as the Reapers encroached on their allies territory.
- At the very least I could see the rest of the Council race booting them out. At the worst I could see another war unleashed on them.
2. Krogan:
- Depends on whom is their leader. Wrex would make a good case for renewed Krogan membership. Wreav would be very hostile to the Council races.
3. Turians:
- Would almost certainly keep their seat, due to their military. Given that Palaven is wreck by now, it would be reduced status but their militarized structure would build up their forces quickly.
- Would be residual bitterness thanks to "Ahh Yes Reapers.." Councillor.
4. Humans:
- Keep their status, given the success that is Shepard and Co.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 09:48
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so you are saying, because the other races helped win the War they should automatically be given council race status? using this Logic, the Krogan should be a council race because of the Rachni Wars.
Seriously, playing a strong role in a war is not enough to be considered a council race.
Seriously, playing a strong role in a war is not enough to be considered a council race.
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Posté 23 décembre 2012 - 09:58
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arial wrote...
so you are saying, because the other races helped win the War they should automatically be given council race status? using this Logic, the Krogan should be a council race because of the Rachni Wars.
Seriously, playing a strong role in a war is not enough to be considered a council race.
Well Humans took a part in the War with Sovereign and they got a seat, so why shouldn't the Krogan/Quarian/Geth/Volus?
AFter all, back in ME1 they didn't know Sovereign was a Reaper, so it wasn't that big of a deal as in ME3
