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[justafan]

arial wrote...

so you are saying, because the other races helped win the War they should automatically be given council race status? using this Logic, the Krogan should be a council race because of the Rachni Wars.

Seriously, playing a strong role in a war is not enough to be considered a council race.

Well, the way the human's got on (winning one battle) shows that they don't necessarily have high standards anymore.

The Council seems to opporate on a "keep your friends close, your enemies closer" philosophy, humans are now a threat, give them a seat to satiate them and keep them in check.  Same way Turians got a seat after the Rebellions, they now had all the muscle in council space, it would have been foolish to ignore them.  Krogan didn't get a seat because the Salarians uplifted them and probably thought they could control them.

Come the end of ME3, every species with a strong military could reasonably challenge the council and leverage a seat out of them, hence why Quarians and Krogan are most people's top picks despite relatively small populations and small economies.  Turians won't be able to single handedly keep the peace anymore.

[arial]

Olopi wrote...

arial wrote...

so you are saying, because the other races helped win the War they should automatically be given council race status? using this Logic, the Krogan should be a council race because of the Rachni Wars.

Seriously, playing a strong role in a war is not enough to be considered a council race.

Well Humans took a part in the War with Sovereign and they got a seat, so why shouldn't the Krogan/Quarian/Geth/Volus?


AFter all, back in ME1 they didn't know Sovereign was a Reaper, so it wasn't that big of a deal as in ME3

it was not just because of Sovereign. The Humans had arguably one of the largest Navys in Citadel space (second only to the Turians), they had already proved they were a military powerhouse (Skyllian Blitz, as well as holding their own Against the Turians in the FCW (who were the largest Miliatry in the galaxy)). as well as many other factors.

[Steelcan]

I don't care, as long the Asari aren't on it.

[dublin omega 223]

I can see the Salarian's and Asari being kicked out due to the lack of help in the Reaper war and the Prothean Beacon on Thessia. While the Krogan, Quarians, Elcor, Volus and Hanar get Council seats along side Humans and Turians.

[xI Mr Gibbs Ix]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Quarians, Geth and krogan are off the table straight away because they are all choice dependant.

Honestly, i can see the council being dissolved inbetween this and the next game.


Edit; shepard already made them redundant by uniting the racial leaders without them.

I know this is an old post, but this is actually a great point. One that gets overlooked frequently. Shepard was able to bring the entire galaxy together while the counicl sat on their ass in fear.

[Ryuzetsu]

Volus, Batarians, Elcor, Drell and yes even Vorcha should have council seats. With the Drell acting as representatives for the Hanar and the Vorcha acting as representatives for as the codex put it the "lesser known" races. Also I believe that the Asari should lose their council seat for a while as punishment for withholding knowledge and technological advantages which could have put the whole galaxy on a better footing before the Reaper invasion.

[X Equestris]

The Batarians definitely aren't getting a seat. They got trounced in the Reaper War, and the Hegemony pretty much ceases to exist as a functioning body. Besides, the slavery issue doesn't endear them to most other races in the galaxy.

I think the Volus could make a strong push for a seat. The Quarians, Krogan, and Geth should get embassies, and the Quarians probably have the best shot of those three at getting a seat in the near term, as their tech expertise would probably be a great help in the reconstruction effort.

The Geth and Krogan are still viewed with caution, so if they ever get seats, it will be a long way down the road.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The major problem with the Quarians getting a Council seat is that there are at most around ten million left after the Geth and Reaper wars. Even every Quarian having a baby immediately after, assuming the whole population is fertile and 50/50 Male/Female, would only result in 15 million total Quarians. They will barely have any economy, even compared to the Raloi. And why do 10 million people deserve more of a say in the shaping of the Galaxy than the Elcor or Batarians or Hanar, who are guaranteed to have far more people left then them. An embassie, yes. A council seat? They won't get one. 

And for the people who are saying the Salarians get kicked off the Council, there is no chance of that whatsoever. They would easily have the largest economy and fleets(with stealth dreadnoughts) after the war. Their homeworld get hit, as far as we know, a day before the Battle for Earth. The Salarians would be the only race with intact economic insfrastructure. They'll be the ones, along with the Illium corporations(since Illium avoided being hit by nuking the troop transports), who are crediting and effectively owning the rest of the Galaxy during the rebuilding efforts. 

[shodiswe]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 I still see the Asari, Humans, Salarians, and Turians as rulers of the council after the end of the war.

I find it amusing that people believe the Asari and Salarians will lose their status, yet who is going to be judge of that?  Who else in the galaxy has the strength to strip them of their status when their fleets and worlds are seemingly the most intact of out the Council races following the war?

tl;dr No one else is strong enough to ban them from the council.

Humans, Turians, Geth, Quarians, Volus? Could tell the Salairans and Asari they are scum, but that isn't likely to happen. The humans likely wouldn't think it's worth it, the Turians have taken bad beating and probably wouldn't be up ot it and would likely feel some kind of loyalty and safety in tradition.
The Geth arn't interested in conflict unless their core interests, rights or lives are threatened. The Quarians would likely isolate themselves on their homeworld and possibly a few of their colonies.
Seeing as other people tend to make them sick and they got a bad experience with other species overall.
The Volus only cares about profit and they are very much against armed conflict unless it turns out to be the last viable option. Even a diplomatic conflict risks upsetting their financial interests.
The Elcor arn't very adventurous and few of them even leave their homeworld.

On the otherhand it's likely the Leviathans rises from the ashes of the Reaperwar and shows everyone why they are the APEX race and why they survived against the Reapers for over a billion years.

I think the galaxy will remain the same, the Quarians and the Geth will get their own embasies that they will use for trade relations. We're told even the Geth desired some materials and harware that the council races could provide.
While the Geth aren't likely to care too much about the general politics of the Council they might be interested in trading some material resources and trinkets.
Also, in the earlier mass effect games I always wondered about the Geth Armory licences you could buy, it seemed like those were Geth exports. Also, Legion had his own account to pay for things bought in Citadel space.. Geth government account? Or a personal account?
Under the table trade and smugling? Poor EDI had no such thing though, she wasn't getting paid.

[shodiswe]

I think the Council will remain. The Volus might possibly be able to get a seat if their help in the rebuilding process is very valuable. Otherwise I think things will remain the same.

I'm not even sure if the Hanar had a real embassy, we were told they wern't that interested in dealing with the rest of the galaxy. They were so different, and most of their interestes revolved around their enkindler religion and protecting the old Protean ruins on their homeworld.

Most of the Hanar we see are merchants or smuglers, or a preacher that drives people crazy.

[RangerSG]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Ryuzetsu wrote...
Also I believe that the Asari should lose their council seat for a while as punishment for withholding knowledge and technological advantages which could have put the whole galaxy on a better footing before the Reaper invasion.

It's not going to happen.

Agreed. First of all, in the end, both the Asari and Salarians contribute substantially. So other than Shepard, Hackett, and a few of their friends, who knows the difficulties that went into gaining them? Both could also argue that the Human/Turian Alliance took considerable trust-building. 

Second, the Salarians went virtually untouched. The Asari took a beating, but no worse than the humans and Turians did. 

As for gaining a seat, the Elcor and Volus are both client races. Neither has the clout to demand a seat. The Quarians, with the decommissioning of much of the Migrant Fleet, are going to regress in influence before they can become a true player. I suspect simply getting their Embassy back would be as much as they'd merit. The Geth are too insular to want to be on the Counsel. The Hanar and Drell are minor players at best.

The Krogan are the one race that would merit a seat, given the fact they saved the Turians. But that would be dependant on Wrex/Bakara being in power. If it's Wreav, then I'm with those who suspect a second put down.

That is all dependant on there still being a Council system. I'm dubious. Control ending renders it superfluous. Low EMS destroy would mean a lifetime passes before everything is rebuilt. Plus, with the Citadel now parked above Earth, is it a neutral ground for all races anymore?

[von uber]

High EMS destroy (most likely outcome for a fuctioning Council with clout) renders the Geth question irrelevant.
Most likley see a close Turian/Human alliance, Asari will still be the main force I suspect as they took the least damage of those three (as noted Illium is intact and that has 5.6 times the Quarian population alone) plus in the ending sequence you see a lot of Asari ships heading back after the crucible fires so there military is still effective. Maybe just to make the BSN explode they make Liara the Counsellor.
I can see the Salarians being isolated due to their actions, a lot of mistrust between them and the other Council races.
Krogans probably get an embassy but defnitely not a council seat.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

von uber wrote...

I can see the Salarians being isolated due to their actions, a lot of mistrust between them and the other Council races.

Even if all the other races get pissed at the Salarians, they can't do anything about it. Are they gonna isolate and reject the only race that has:

1. Barely damaged economic infrastructure due to being during the attack on Cerberus, which means the war ended only a couple of days later. 

2. A stable government based off a barely damaged homeworld. 

3. The ability to create stealth dreadnoughts.

4. Avoided spending huge amounts of money and capital fighting the Reapers head-on like every other race in the galaxy. It will take a lot of money to rebuild. Guess who's gonna have every other government of the galaxy in heavy debt to them?
Hint: It's not Kalros. 

So even if people get angry at the Salarians for not helping, that means nothing. Not only do the Salarians have the strongest economy and the strongest military remaining after the war, but the galaxy needs them way too much.

[Derpy]

Steelcan wrote...

I don't care, as long the Asari aren't on it.

Preach it brotha!

[themikefest]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I don't care, as long the Asari aren't on it.

Preach it brotha!

[RangerSG]

themikefest wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I don't care, as long the Asari aren't on it.

Preach it brotha!

Sorry, but while I could see the Asari (rightly) losing a considerable amount of goodwill, at the end of the day, they were in the final battle, and their homeworld suffered just like Palavan and Earth. That said, they still have the furthest-flung 'empire' (for lack of a better term), quite possibly the strongest post-war fleet, and access to all the strings in post-war economy and politics. 

They might not be the polite rulers of the galaxy anymore. But they'll still be on any Council. 

As will the Salarians. 

The only real change I can see is the Krogan. I have to laugh at the suggestion of the Batarians. They have almost no military left. Their entire economy is ruined. They were a pariah race before, and did little to improve their standing. Realistically, I'd suspect that the remaining military leaders would be at each others' throats for the scraps of the Hegemony. Whoever survives that, if they eliminate the caste system, might be able to regain Embassy/Associate status. But a seat on the Council? I'm failing to see what at most, a fleet 1/8th the value of the Quarian's does to merit jumping from persona non grata to the Galactic Elite. 

The only other race that makes a large enough contribution to consider a significant aid to the defense is the Quarians/Geth. But as I said before, both of these races (assuming both survive) would lose much of their military influence in the restoration of Rannoch. And it's entirely plausible that both are annihilated. 

[von uber]

Any scenario where the Geth and Quarians both survive will not have a Council of any note though.

[RangerSG]

von uber wrote...

Any scenario where the Geth and Quarians both survive will not have a Council of any note though.

Well, MEHEM would. :innocent: