I find it odd that the highest EMS would grant you the option, Synthesis. Having replayed the whole series over again recently, the final epic in the series was about uniting the various races and overcoming the odds, together.
The beauty of society is that we each bring something unique to the table. Synthesis essentially takes all of that away, and though it may be more efficient, it removes that in born want of a better existence. We strive to better ourselves, and that experience makes us stronger.
And of course, as Uncle Ben once said, "With power comes great responsibility." Had it just been handed to us (with or without our consent), it would create chaos, similar to rewarding a child for doing nothing.
Why? Because we didn't earn it, and most of all, it would have been the biggest troll of the Reapers yet. Essentially, it would have made us just like them. Maybe not in the same form, but it would remove that unique beauty that is our universe.
That said, for me the right choice would be Destroy. I loved EDI and Legion, however, their existence was a detriment to society. If you think I'm wrong, consider the Geth merging themselves with the Quarians suits, to "help" them develop better antibodies, etc. Without Destroy, the cycle would continue, albeit in a new form.
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Synthesis is an Abomination:
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a.k.a. Synthesis is bad, it violates everyone, it makes the reapers win, it brainwashes everyone, everyone gets V.D. , Reapers form One Direction band to spread indoctrination, SHepard is indoctrinated, we all die, it's total defeat, other stuff like we take away all diversity, and we didn't earn it through a long war of survival.
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a.k.a. Synthesis is bad, it violates everyone, it makes the reapers win, it brainwashes everyone, everyone gets V.D. , Reapers form One Direction band to spread indoctrination, SHepard is indoctrinated, we all die, it's total defeat, other stuff like we take away all diversity, and we didn't earn it through a long war of survival.
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I like this human, he understands!
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OP didn't ask for this
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ziloe wrote...
I find it odd that the highest EMS would grant you the option, Synthesis. Having replayed the whole series over again recently, the final epic in the series was about uniting the various races and overcoming the odds, together.
The beauty of society is that we each bring something unique to the table. Synthesis essentially takes all of that away, and though it may be more efficient, it removes that in born want of a better existence. We strive to better ourselves, and that experience makes us stronger.
And of course, as Uncle Ben once said, "With power comes great responsibility." Had it just been handed to us (with or without our consent), it would create chaos, similar to rewarding a child for doing nothing.
Why? Because we didn't earn it, and most of all, it would have been the biggest troll of the Reapers yet. Essentially, it would have made us just like them. Maybe not in the same form, but it would remove that unique beauty that is our universe.
That said, for me the right choice would be Destroy. I loved EDI and Legion, however, their existence was a detriment to society. If you think I'm wrong, consider the Geth merging themselves with the Quarians suits, to "help" them develop better antibodies, etc. Without Destroy, the cycle would continue, albeit in a new form.
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Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
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Synthesis is stupid for many reasons, none of which you just stated. Also, the notion that synthetic existence is detrimental to society is just retarded on an infinite scale of levels.
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OP didn't ask for this
I take it he's against the entire theme of transhumanism that existed in Mass Effect 2.
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111987 wrote...
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
Oh. Well. If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool. Good enough for me!
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*snipitty snippers of snipping snipitty snip*
Isn't that posession?
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Shut up. Synthesis is no worse than the other endings. I don't like it at all, but I have better reasons than it eliminates diversity, which is not supported by the EC.
Is it morally questionable, terribly presented and explained? Yes yes and yes, but it is not an abomination.
Is it morally questionable, terribly presented and explained? Yes yes and yes, but it is not an abomination.
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What is this "Synthesis"?
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Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
Oh. Well. If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool. Good enough for me!
Not the Reapers. The Catalyst. There's a big difference.
Also, the EC shows this to be true.
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111987 wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
Oh. Well. If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool. Good enough for me!
Not the Reapers. The Catalyst. There's a big difference.
Also, the EC shows this to be true.
:lol::lol:
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Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
Oh. Well. If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool. Good enough for me!
Not the Reapers. The Catalyst. There's a big difference.
Also, the EC shows this to be true.
Got a problem with an ending? Deal with it. Some people like it and are entitled to their opinion.
Take your hate somewhere else.
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Synthesis is stupid for many reasons, none of which you just stated. Also, the notion that synthetic existence is detrimental to society is just retarded on an infinite scale of levels.
Real death does not exist for EDI or Legion. Their information could simply be placed into another object. As wonderful as they are/were, they are no different from the Reapers.
The Reapers calculated the continued mistakes of regular society, and found a "solution" in the destruction of space fairing species. It is not far off to expect an AI to eventually come to this conclusion, when they watch society as walking gods among men, for an eternity.
The Geth may have been helping the Quarians in the end, but how long until they realize they can take over their bodies, and use them as new, organic hosts?
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OperatingWookie wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
Oh. Well. If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool. Good enough for me!
Not the Reapers. The Catalyst. There's a big difference.
Also, the EC shows this to be true.
Got a problem with an ending? Deal with it. Some people like it and are entitled to their opinion.
Take your hate somewhere else.
It's not about the ending, it's about the stupidity. "Oh it's not the Reapers, it's just the thing that controls the Reapers. It looks like a ghost kid that it could only have found by fishing around my mind like some kind of superdemon, so I'm sure he's totally good and pure! Kids are great!" When he talks you into killing yourself a few minutes later, that's the clearest example of Darwinism ever seen.
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ziloe wrote...
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Synthesis is stupid for many reasons, none of which you just stated. Also, the notion that synthetic existence is detrimental to society is just retarded on an infinite scale of levels.
Real death does not exist for EDI or Legion. Their information could simply be placed into another object. As wonderful as they are/were, they are no different from the Reapers.
The Reapers calculated the continued mistakes of regular society, and found a "solution" in the destruction of space fairing species. It is not far off to expect an AI to eventually come to this conclusion, when they watch society as walking gods among men, for an eternity.
The Geth may have been helping the Quarians in the end, but how long until they realize they can take over their bodies, and use them as new, organic hosts?
Nope, quantum blue boxes dictate that if you copied them, you would only get a blank personality.
And the second part is so ridiculous that I think you're trolling.
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Rifneo you can't deny the synthesis EC slides show a positive future.
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Rifneno wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
Oh. Well. If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool. Good enough for me!
Not the Reapers. The Catalyst. There's a big difference.
Also, the EC shows this to be true.
Got a problem with an ending? Deal with it. Some people like it and are entitled to their opinion.
Take your hate somewhere else.
It's not about the ending, it's about the stupidity. "Oh it's not the Reapers, it's just the thing that controls the Reapers. It looks like a ghost kid that it could only have found by fishing around my mind like some kind of superdemon, so I'm sure he's totally good and pure! Kids are great!" When he talks you into killing yourself a few minutes later, that's the clearest example of Darwinism ever seen.
Let people make their own choices. I'm not a supporter, but I respect people's right to a choice.
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synthesis is the least popular ending for a reason
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Steelcan wrote...
Rifneo you can't deny the synthesis EC slides show a positive future.
That they do, but try telling that to the ITers.
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Rifneno wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
111987 wrote...
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
Oh. Well. If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool. Good enough for me!
Not the Reapers. The Catalyst. There's a big difference.
Also, the EC shows this to be true.
Got a problem with an ending? Deal with it. Some people like it and are entitled to their opinion.
Take your hate somewhere else.
It's not about the ending, it's about the stupidity. "Oh it's not the Reapers, it's just the thing that controls the Reapers. It looks like a ghost kid that it could only have found by fishing around my mind like some kind of superdemon, so I'm sure he's totally good and pure! Kids are great!" When he talks you into killing yourself a few minutes later, that's the clearest example of Darwinism ever seen.
There's a major difference because the Catalyst is still shackled to finding a better solution to preserve all life. The Reapers are single-minded in their purpose. Hence, the difference.
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synthesis is the least popular ending for a reason
People are uncreative and seek to restore the oppressive galactic governments to power by eliminating the only available catalyst of change that could be used for the best?
