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[Rifneno]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Mordin's "replaced with tech" argument ultimately suggests that synthetics are not alive.

I consider them alive.

A sentient computer like EDI or Legion is alive.  A cloned Prothean that's probably not even sentient anymore, filled with tech to replace all the stuff that stopped working is just an abomination.

[Sibu]

Rifneno wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Mordin's "replaced with tech" argument ultimately suggests that synthetics are not alive.

I consider them alive.

A sentient computer like EDI or Legion is alive.  A cloned Prothean that's probably not even sentient anymore, filled with tech to replace all the stuff that stopped working is just an abomination.

Synthesis doesn't change the whole "Sentient Issue". The living beings of the galaxy are still capable of free will AFTER the green magic beam (this according to the EC)... but it is extremely invasive and a total disrespect to Individuality and the righ of self-determination, a spit to the face of cultural advancement of each species and a sudden stop to the diversity that the universe likes so much (that is why Synthesis is an abomination).

[Xamufam]

inversevideo wrote...

 The inclusion of synthesis goes beyond space magic, it actually breaks the logic of the Reapers existence.

Writer Arthur C. Clarke proposed that any civilization sufficiently advanced would have technology that is indistiguishable from magic.  

And that is the crux of the problem introduced by Starkid with synthesis.
Just how advanced would a technology need to be in order to combine
Shepard's DNA with all living things, galaxy wide, and with machines? 

Scientists have thought about the issue of advanced civilizations and their
theoretical capabilities, and even how to classify advancements.

The Kardashev
scale is a general method of classifying how technologically advanced a
civilization is. It was first proposed in 1964 by the Soviet astronomer
Nikolai Kardashev.

Kardashev defined three levels of civilizations, based on the order of magnitude and the amount of power available to them:

 
Type I: "Technological level close to the level presently (here
referring to 1964) attained on earth, with energy consumption at ≈4×1019
erg/sec[2] (4 × 1012 watts.) Guillermo A. Lemarchand stated this as "A
level near contemporary terrestrial civilization with an energy
capability equivalent to the solar insolation on Earth, between 1016 and
10 17 watts."[3]

Type II: "A civilization capable of harnessing the energy radiated by its own star (for example, the stage
of successful construction of a Dyson sphere), with energy consumption
at ≈4×1033 erg/sec.[2] Lemarchand stated this as "A civilization capable
of utilizing and channeling the entire radiation output of its star.
The energy utilization would then be comparable to the luminosity of our
Sun, about 4 × 1026 watts."[3]

Type III: "A civilization in possession of energy on the scale of its own galaxy, with energy
consumption at≈4×1044 erg/sec."[2] Lemarchand stated this as "A
civilization with access to the power comparable to the luminosity of
the entire Milky Way galaxy, about 4 × 1037 Watts."[3]

A fourth classification, Type IV, was added by Profesor Dr. Zoltan Galantai, and expanded upon by the late astrophysicist Carl Sagan, and also by theoretical physicist Dr. Michio Kaku. A Type IV civilization controls the energy output of the visible universe.

Another extension, to the Kardashev scale, was introduced by theoretical physicist and mathematician Dr. John D. Barrow who has postualated that civilizations may also and/or instead, focus on the micro rather than the macro.

"Type I-minus is capable of manipulating objects over the scale of
themselves: building structures, mining, joining and breaking solids; 

Type II-minus is capable of manipulating genes and altering the development
of living things, transplanting or replacing parts of
themselves, reading and engineering their genetic code; 

Type III-minus is capable of manipulating molecules and molecular bonds, creating new materials; 

Type IV-minus is capable of manipulating individual atoms, creating
nanotechnologies on the atomic scale and creating complex forms of
artificial life; 

Type V-minus is capable of manipulating the atomic nucleus and engineering the nucleons that compose it; 

Type VI-minus is capable of manipulating the most elementary particles of
matter (quarks and leptons) to create organized complexity among
populations of elementary particles; 

Type Omega-minus is capable of manipulating the basic structure of space and time"

Which brings us back to Synthesis. In order for Starkid to effect Synthesis,
and use Shepard's DNA to combine living tissue, plants, animals, both
levo-protein races (Asari, Human) and dextro-protein species (Quarians),
with non-organic technology,  Starkid, would need to understand and
have access to technology at the level of either a Type IV or Type
IV-minus civilization.

This would make Starkid a 'god'. To paraphrase Kirk 'what does god want with Shepard?'  

If Starkid has that type of power, the power of a Type IV or TypeIV-minus
civilization, then nothing, even Leviathan, nothing in the galaxy could
oppose him. At that level Starkid is truly invincible. The denizens of
the galaxy would be like amoeba in comparison to Starkid.

There
would be no reason for the Reapers.In fact the war would be over before
we knew there was supposed to be a war. Starkid could usurp Shepard's
DNA, enact Synthesis, and it would be a done deal.One moment human, the
next transhuman, with no explanation of how it was done.

 If the
designers, of the Crucible, were a type IV or Type Iv-minus
civilization, they would have far outpaced the Reapers and Starkid, and
would have destroyed or neutralized the threat.  

If the plans,
for the Crucible, originated with a Type IV civilization, why not just
outright help? Why give a super WMD to the, in comparison to them,
'amoeba'?

If Leviathan originated the Crucible, and the Crucible
is a tool made by a Type IV or Type IV-minus civilization, then
Leviathan are that Civilization, and they should not be running from
anything.  

And so at best, the introduction of Synthesis has created a paradox.

Why go through endless cycles of harvesting, when you have the power of creation?

It can't be nanites: there is not enough matter in the galaxy to
support a nanite wave that big.
the only way for synthesis to exist is atomic manipulation & to get that you have to have the secrets of the universe & a race that have that would have destroyed the reapers without blinking.

Modifié par Troxa, 26 décembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[TJBartlemus]

Sibu wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Mordin's "replaced with tech" argument ultimately suggests that synthetics are not alive.

I consider them alive.

A sentient computer like EDI or Legion is alive.  A cloned Prothean that's probably not even sentient anymore, filled with tech to replace all the stuff that stopped working is just an abomination.

Synthesis doesn't change the whole "Sentient Issue". The living beings of the galaxy are still capable of free will AFTER the green magic beam (this according to the EC)... but it is extremely invasive and a total disrespect to Individuality and the righ of self-determination, a spit to the face of cultural advancement of each species and a sudden stop to the diversity that the universe likes so much (that is why Synthesis is an abomination).

For the synthesis supporters here...do you believe that after Synthesis everyone is okay with the change? To me it seems like it. EDI throughout the game said many things that implied she was pro-Destroy but afterwards in the Narative it sounds like her principles have changed on the issue. Please clarify if you could. 

[ziloe]

Sibu wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Mordin's "replaced with tech" argument ultimately suggests that synthetics are not alive.

I consider them alive.

A sentient computer like EDI or Legion is alive.  A cloned Prothean that's probably not even sentient anymore, filled with tech to replace all the stuff that stopped working is just an abomination.

Synthesis doesn't change the whole "Sentient Issue". The living beings of the galaxy are still capable of free will AFTER the green magic beam (this according to the EC)... but it is extremely invasive and a total disrespect to Individuality and the righ of self-determination, a spit to the face of cultural advancement of each species and a sudden stop to the diversity that the universe likes so much (that is why Synthesis is an abomination).

The latter half is definitely what I'm getting at. 

[Ieldra]

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 décembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh.  Well.  If the Reapers said it's cool, then it must be cool.  Good enough for me!

Vote Synthesis!

(sorry, didn't read the whole thread yet, will do so later)

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 26 décembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Sibu]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sibu wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Mordin's "replaced with tech" argument ultimately suggests that synthetics are not alive.

I consider them alive.

A sentient computer like EDI or Legion is alive.  A cloned Prothean that's probably not even sentient anymore, filled with tech to replace all the stuff that stopped working is just an abomination.

Synthesis doesn't change the whole "Sentient Issue". The living beings of the galaxy are still capable of free will AFTER the green magic beam (this according to the EC)... but it is extremely invasive and a total disrespect to Individuality and the righ of self-determination, a spit to the face of cultural advancement of each species and a sudden stop to the diversity that the universe likes so much (that is why Synthesis is an abomination).

For the synthesis supporters here...do you believe that after Synthesis everyone is okay with the change? To me it seems like it. EDI throughout the game said many things that implied she was pro-Destroy but afterwards in the Narative it sounds like her principles have changed on the issue. Please clarify if you could. 

Gonna try my best... not really good with english.

No, not everyone will be happy with the change (there is no such a thing as utopia) and that may actually start a new conflict.

Just take a look at how people in this forum hates the Catalyst and the Reapers (and with good reasons) and they are only players. Now imagine that you live in the MEU and that somehow this Mechanical Cthulhus that killed your family and friends, that indoctrinated world leaders to betray their own kind, that forced military strategists to nuke their own countries and tried to anhilite all the cultures of your planet, your galaxy... somehow are still alive and are part of this new galactic species and the sherry on top: they are related to you because some space marine decided that it was the best for everyone.

This monsters transformed your cousin into a husk, liquified your dad for a Proto-Reaper, created the Collectors by defiling the Protheans and on top of that, they believe that organics civilazations are dumb.

Hell, how do you think a former Husk will feel if he saw one of those flying nightmares in the sky (specially Brutes)? Happy?  Sure they are sentient and free, but that is exactly why they will hate Shepard even more for allowing them to live like monster (again, specially Brutes).

Hate is a powerfull force, almost as powerfull as love

[Sibu]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

In Synthesis:

They all have the same DNA, they are all part of a race that shares the physical atributes of technorganic beings that posses technology that eliminate the boundaries of each species... it is bound to happen that every single member of this new species will recognize themselves as "synthe-organics" rather than Turians or Asaris or Humans, wich will bring a new culture based on the common points of each nation (not  the unification of the cultures of the galaxy but the creation of a new one based on the similes created by the Synthesis)  ... this is not necessarily evil but it does neglect diversity and it doesn't contradict the EC.

But of course... this is all speculation of a fan that pherphaps is seeing things that are not there

[thehomeworld]

OnyxFuego wrote...

What I don't get is, at what point did EDI become alive to even die in the Green Ending?

She was just a VI running on the EVA client. She was still on the Normandy.

Oh man, I'm getting off topic.

Green Ending = Catalyst scared that Shepard actually would destroy the reapers. Butters up Shep to think that this is ideal so that they don't die. Lesser of two evils, better than controlled which is better than being destroyed.

BW seems to be taking the because she acts human therefore she is approch, same with the geth if they act it then they are which is idiotic. It's kind of like saying I act like a Klingon therefore I am and everyone else better reconize me for it.

As they saying goes for the lesser of two evils, " You may be picking between the lesser of two evils but you're still picking evil." 

[ziloe]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

Just because you see a few nice images, doesn't mean that realistically, that wouldn't happen. They made the EC to appease people, but they didn't think it through and see how none of it actually made sense. 

The Catalyst spent millions of years fighting against the, as he says, inevitable synthesis. And if it was so inevitable, then what was he doing stopping it, constantly? Not to mention, in ME2, Legion has already stated that they accept society, whether they understand them or not, so synthesis in order to reach a mutual understanding of any kind, was completely pointless if the goal was a better understanding, as Shepard and his crew already accepted EDI and Legion as part of the crew. 

[Reorte]

Sibu wrote...

In Synthesis:

They all have the same DNA, they are all part of a race that shares the physical atributes of technorganic beings that posses technology that eliminate the boundaries of each species... it is bound to happen that every single member of this new species will recognize themselves as "synthe-organics" rather than Turians or Asaris or Humans, wich will bring a new culture based on the common points of each nation (not  the unification of the cultures of the galaxy but the creation of a new one based on the similes created by the Synthesis)  ... this is not necessarily evil but it does neglect diversity and it doesn't contradict the EC.

But of course... this is all speculation of a fan that pherphaps is seeing things that are not there

There's nothing to suggest that that's happened with Synthesis though. Whilst I despise it I prefer it to get attacked with more solid tools than this. Since it involves rebuilding everyone and everything from the ground up if it gave them all the same DNA why leave them looking different? If they had the same DNA they'd come in for some very nasty shocks when they started having kids that don't look anything like their parents' species.

Now quite what on earth Synthesis does to DNA, and how it's supposed to keep people largely the same (tinkering at that level would almost certainly kill everything unless it was very, very finely tuned to every single separate species) is another question altogether.

It probably gives something in common, it probably doesn't change who they are. If it really stops evolution then in the very long run it will destroy diversity as some species will go extinct sooner or later but no new ones will appear.

[ziloe]

Reorte wrote...

Sibu wrote...

In Synthesis:

They all have the same DNA, they are all part of a race that shares the physical atributes of technorganic beings that posses technology that eliminate the boundaries of each species... it is bound to happen that every single member of this new species will recognize themselves as "synthe-organics" rather than Turians or Asaris or Humans, wich will bring a new culture based on the common points of each nation (not  the unification of the cultures of the galaxy but the creation of a new one based on the similes created by the Synthesis)  ... this is not necessarily evil but it does neglect diversity and it doesn't contradict the EC.

But of course... this is all speculation of a fan that pherphaps is seeing things that are not there

There's nothing to suggest that that's happened with Synthesis though. Whilst I despise it I prefer it to get attacked with more solid tools than this. Since it involves rebuilding everyone and everything from the ground up if it gave them all the same DNA why leave them looking different? If they had the same DNA they'd come in for some very nasty shocks when they started having kids that don't look anything like their parents' species.

Now quite what on earth Synthesis does to DNA, and how it's supposed to keep people largely the same (tinkering at that level would almost certainly kill everything unless it was very, very finely tuned to every single separate species) is another question altogether.

It probably gives something in common, it probably doesn't change who they are. If it really stops evolution then in the very long run it will destroy diversity as some species will go extinct sooner or later but no new ones will appear.

It's more about cultural diversity, as opposed to genetic diversity. Like, imagine if you didn't work out, and suddenly the next day you woke up massively strong and muscular. If you didn't understand strength, you might decide to pick a fight with the first big guy you see. 

It's the same with giving a weak person a badge of authority, like a police officer. You see it so many times, police abusing their power, and why, maybe because they were treated like crap all throughout their lives, and now they're in a position where they see it as not having to take crap from anyone, at all. 

So with that in mind, what happens to a species that didn't earn its peak of evolution? How long until they try to prove their better? Realistically, with Synthesis, war is inevitable. Not to mention, as someone stated earlier, if Synthesis is considered the peak of evolution, it was something given to the entire galaxy, some of which still have worlds not ready for spaceflight, or still evolving in general. So, what happens to them? Maybe they're in the middle ages, and freak the hell out and kill eachother, thinking it's some black magic.

Modifié par ziloe, 26 décembre 2012 - 01:08 .

[xsdob]

Wayning_Star wrote...

"No glands, replaced by tech! No digestive system, replaced by tech! No central nervous system, replaced by tech! Whatever they were... gone forever." - Mordin describes synthesis. cyborg assimilation.

Let's attempt to get lore correct next time, thanks!

OMG, prosthetics make you less human apparently.

No more limbs, replaced by tech.

Has a bad heart, replaced by tech.

Failing kidneys, replaced by tech.

Loss of eyes, replaced by tech.

No more soul, replaced by tech.

By mordins logic, we shouldn't advance medical treatment and keep people alive using things like organ transplants or life support systems, becasue they rely on tech and twist nature to what was not intended.

With that, my joking stops.

That's just my take on the lines he was saying and the way fans use it. Mordin was saying that the replacements were too much, not that they happened at all.

Also, synthesis doesn't carve out pieces of the human body and replaces it, not that I have seen. All it seems to do is change peope from one state to a slightly different state using reaper nanites and probably the mass of the eezo within the crucible to create matter neccisary to build the nanites. Of course since the porcess of synthesis is never explained I can't truley be sure, and will probably never be sure or even able to verify if I am in the ballpark estimate of what synthsis is. All I know is that it is fundamentally different than what the reapers normally do, and that they to seem affected by synthesis, rather than being inert in the changing process and simply making organics change to what they want while remaining unaffected and the same.

This is all of course my subjective opinion on it, and I don't expect many to agree. But, I thought I'd contribute at least a little to the dicussion.

Modifié par xsdob, 26 décembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[kal_reegar]

 you have to keep the catalyst's words separate from what is rationally deductible from the lore, from what can ben prooved and verified, using common sense and scientific knowledge.

the catalyst isn't necessarly lying, but he has is own logic and his words aren't a "Dogma", an unquestionable truth.

phrases like "synthesis is inevitable" or "synthetics will always rebel against the creators" help us do understand the catalyst's actions and believes, nothing more.
But these phrases can't be proved nor refuted. They can be true or false, and ultimately what matters is what YOU believe.

[xsdob]

kal_reegar wrote...

 you have to keep the catalyst's words separate from what is rationally deductible from the lore, from what can ben prooved and verified, using common sense and scientific knowledge.

the catalyst isn't necessarly lying, but he has is own logic and his words aren't a "Dogma", an unquestionable truth.

phrases like "synthesis is inevitable" or "synthetics will always rebel against the creators" help us do understand the catalyst's actions and believes, nothing more.
But these phrases can't be proved nor refuted. They can be true or false, and ultimately what matters is what YOU believe.

People don't even understand the concept of a character expressing their mindset not being 100% truth? I have a hard time beliving even the extreme fringe of this fanbase is dense enough to forget that he's just telling you his view on things, and not stating a fact.

[ziloe]

xsdob wrote...

kal_reegar wrote...

 you have to keep the catalyst's words separate from what is rationally deductible from the lore, from what can ben prooved and verified, using common sense and scientific knowledge.

the catalyst isn't necessarly lying, but he has is own logic and his words aren't a "Dogma", an unquestionable truth.

phrases like "synthesis is inevitable" or "synthetics will always rebel against the creators" help us do understand the catalyst's actions and believes, nothing more.
But these phrases can't be proved nor refuted. They can be true or false, and ultimately what matters is what YOU believe.

People don't even understand the concept of a character expressing their mindset not being 100% truth? I have a hard time beliving even the extreme fringe of this fanbase is dense enough to forget that he's just telling you his view on things, and not stating a fact.

Of course they understand, that's why they know Synthesis is a flawed concept.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

No bad consequences are shown, so it must be okay!

[ziloe]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

No bad consequences are shown, so it must be okay!

Oh yeah... totally. 

[Shepard108278]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

I am probably the only one who thinks synthesis is the best ending.

No, there's lots of others who didn't pay attention to the themes of the series.

don't speak of things you know nothing about synthedis fits in the series fine.

you trolling?

NO I truly believe that it fits the series fine and the examples given are very different than the ending.

Color me confused. AHow anyone can think any of the options given fit the series fine is disturbing. 

Well imo they do. Destroy easilly fits and the others fit the tone of the series as well.

[wizardryforever]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

No bad consequences are shown, so it must be okay!

I for one choose to work within the realm of what we know and are shown and told, not wild ramblings and reckless speculation.  You have to headcanon the hell out of the ending to get most of the bad things people come up with about synthesis, then they decry synthesis as an "abomination" based purely around that headcanon.  Does no one else find this hilariously ridiculous?  Do people do this in real life?

Here's the thought process of someone who does this in real life:
"My girlfriend sure is late, where could she be?"  You give her a call and get no answer.  Do you:
A. Figure she must be somewhere where she is having phone troubles.
B. Figure she must have just not heard your call.
C. Figure that she is cheating on you behind your back.
These people would pick C, then scream at their girlfriend for her perceived infidelity when she got there.

Jumping to conclusions!  That's the concept I was going for.

[ziloe]

wizardryforever wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

No bad consequences are shown, so it must be okay!

I for one choose to work within the realm of what we know and are shown and told, not wild ramblings and reckless speculation.  You have to headcanon the hell out of the ending to get most of the bad things people come up with about synthesis, then they decry synthesis as an "abomination" based purely around that headcanon.  Does no one else find this hilariously ridiculous?  Do people do this in real life?

Here's the thought process of someone who does this in real life:
"My girlfriend sure is late, where could she be?"  You give her a call and get no answer.  Do you:
A. Figure she must be somewhere where she is having phone troubles.
B. Figure she must have just not heard your call.
C. Figure that she is cheating on you behind your back.
These people would pick C, then scream at their girlfriend for her perceived infidelity when she got there.

Jumping to conclusions!  That's the concept I was going for.

Don't you think you're jumping to conclusions as well though, by assuming everything is okay, because they showed you some pictures? 

[Red Panda]

ziloe wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

No bad consequences are shown, so it must be okay!

Oh yeah... totally. 

Seival says it's cool.

So does the Catalyst.






You wanted proof, there it is.

[ziloe]

OperatingWookie wrote...

ziloe wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

No bad consequences are shown, so it must be okay!

Oh yeah... totally. 

Seival says it's cool.

So does the Catalyst.






You wanted proof, there it is.

I don't know this Seival, but, makes sense.

[Red Panda]

ziloe wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

ziloe wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Except that Synthesis doesn't destroy diversity. so that argument falls flat. Repeating it a hundred thousand times won't change what is shown in the epilogue, namely, that species and individuals appear very much like themselves. It's been months and I have yet to see any evidence for that claim.

The original ending carried the theme but provided no compelling evidence either way. The EC doesn't even carry the theme any more.

No bad consequences are shown, so it must be okay!

Oh yeah... totally. 

Seival says it's cool.

So does the Catalyst.






You wanted proof, there it is.

I don't know this Seival, but, makes sense.

Exactly, there's nothing wrong with trusting the future of all life with some ghost kid.