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[ElSuperGecko]

[C9316]

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[GHNR]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Haha, it's funny because thats not it at all.

[ziloe]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

HA! Oh, you.

[DoomsdayDevice]

GHNR wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Haha, it's funny because thats not it at all.

Yeah, we'll see about that.

[Steelcan]

What will you ITers do if IT is never touched by BioWare?

[Jere85]

Ofcourse its an abomination. I rather not have a bunch of husks over for dinner, they make for bad guests, constantly mumbling and growling, not a conversation in them. They won't even bring me a complimentary bottle of wine.

[ziloe]

Steelcan wrote...

What will you ITers do if IT is never touched by BioWare?

Sometimes I think it's just them grasping at straws, sort of like when a kid sees the cookies they left out for Santa are gone in the morning, and thus they convince themselves that Santa exists.

[ziloe]

Jere85 wrote...

Ofcourse its an abomination. I rather not have a bunch of husks over for dinner, they make for bad guests, constantly mumbling and growling, not a conversation in them. They won't even bring me a complimentary bottle of wine.

*Looks at  husk girlfriend*
"Listen, remember when I said I could love you for who you were? Yeah... about that..."
Girlfriend: "Raaghlgirlblegirlble"
"We've just gone seperate ways. We've both changed. I'm at the pinnacle of my species and you're well..."
Girlfriend: "Raaghlgirlblegirlble?"
"Love is a strong word. Let's just be friends, okay? I'll call you."

[Wayning_Star]

when Destroyers talk, people listen... bwahaaahahahahah

The word "abomination" is definitely a sign of ... superiority.(<---<<< a certain type of chaos?)

[Pyk]

Well, then why Synthesis has the highest EMS?

Modifié par Pyk, 29 décembre 2012 - 04:17 .

[StoneSwords]

Pyk wrote...

Well, then why Synthesis has the highest EMS?

Actually, high EMS destroy has the highest EMS requirements....

[Pyk]

StoneSwords wrote...

Actually, high EMS destroy has the highest EMS requirements....

Thanks Stone, so we know which ending is canon. No sarcasm, I really think so

As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

[StoneSwords]

Pyk wrote...

StoneSwords wrote...

Actually, high EMS destroy has the highest EMS requirements....

Thanks Stone, so we know which ending is canon. No sarcasm, I really think so

As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

it was something about synthetics finally understanding organics, or something like that.  I've only ever picked that ending once, but that was enough.  Never again lol

[ElSuperGecko]

Pyk wrote...
As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

The real question is what happens to the Reapers in Synthesis.  Are they still controlled by the Catalyst?  Or are they now unshackled and independent?  Either way, the implications are worrying...

[Pyk]

@StoneSwords: Oh, right. Maybe it adds "spontaneity" to their way of thinking?

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The real question is what happens to the Reapers in Synthesis. Are they still controlled by the Catalyst? Or are they now unshackled and independent? Either way, the implications are worrying...

You imply they will try to "reclaim" their worlds or fight for resources?
I assume that at least most of the Reapers come from completely different worlds.
On the other hand, if something happened to humans on Earth today we can expect new intelligent species replacing us quite fast (there are many animals almost as intelligent as humans, e.g. primates), so maybe there were other intelligent species on Tuchanka, Rannoch or Thessia once...

So, the Reapers (some of them) could engage in a terrible fight against themselves and anything else until "there will be only one".

Alternatively, they could just settle for their virtual realms as they did since eons in dark space.

Modifié par Pyk, 29 décembre 2012 - 05:14 .

[Dr_Extrem]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Pyk wrote...
As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

The real question is what happens to the Reapers in Synthesis.  Are they still controlled by the Catalyst?  Or are they now unshackled and independent?  Either way, the implications are worrying...

 i think that is not even stated .. during the slides, they are just .. standing around. nobody knows.


my interpretation is, that they are still under the catalysts control - just to wait for this experiment to go awry.

[wizardryforever]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Pyk wrote...
As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

The real question is what happens to the Reapers in Synthesis.  Are they still controlled by the Catalyst?  Or are they now unshackled and independent?  Either way, the implications are worrying...

 i think that is not even stated .. during the slides, they are just .. standing around. nobody knows.


my interpretation is, that they are still under the catalysts control - just to wait for this experiment to go awry.

EDI says that they help rebuild, and that the knowledge of past civilizations stored in them is shared across the galaxy, advancing technology and culture by leaps and bounds.  That doesn't strike me as something an enemy would do.  He's just looking for stupid reasons to justify his hatred of synthesis.  There are semi-intelligent reasons to dislike it, but this one is just stupid, IMO.

[Dr_Extrem]

wizardryforever wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Pyk wrote...
As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

The real question is what happens to the Reapers in Synthesis.  Are they still controlled by the Catalyst?  Or are they now unshackled and independent?  Either way, the implications are worrying...

 i think that is not even stated .. during the slides, they are just .. standing around. nobody knows.


my interpretation is, that they are still under the catalysts control - just to wait for this experiment to go awry.

EDI says that they help rebuild, and that the knowledge of past civilizations stored in them is shared across the galaxy, advancing technology and culture by leaps and bounds.  That doesn't strike me as something an enemy would do.  He's just looking for stupid reasons to justify his hatred of synthesis.  There are semi-intelligent reasons to dislike it, but this one is just stupid, IMO.

they could share their knowledge and help rebuilding, while under the catalysts control - this is not ruled out. sharing technology would not hurt the reapers - they are still omnipotent.

for the catalyst, this is a win/win situation. either this experiment works out or it failes and the catalyst pulls the release cord.

but like o wrote .. it is not stated, what happens to the reapers (control-wise) - this is open to interpretation.


but yeah .. the devs anything out of the slides, that would look synthesis bad.


some of the reasons are not semi intelligent - sorry, but this is downright insulting. taking away the possibility to chose or reject transhumanism is not a small task. in synthesis, shepard makes the decision far the entire galaxy - the personal decisions of every individual are rendered pointless. the freedon to chose is one of our most basic rights.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 29 décembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[Maximanimo]

Really? Its soon been a year and these threads still keeps popping up...lol:mellow:

[wizardryforever]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Pyk wrote...
As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

The real question is what happens to the Reapers in Synthesis.  Are they still controlled by the Catalyst?  Or are they now unshackled and independent?  Either way, the implications are worrying...

 i think that is not even stated .. during the slides, they are just .. standing around. nobody knows.


my interpretation is, that they are still under the catalysts control - just to wait for this experiment to go awry.

EDI says that they help rebuild, and that the knowledge of past civilizations stored in them is shared across the galaxy, advancing technology and culture by leaps and bounds.  That doesn't strike me as something an enemy would do.  He's just looking for stupid reasons to justify his hatred of synthesis.  There are semi-intelligent reasons to dislike it, but this one is just stupid, IMO.

they could share their knowledge and help rebuilding, while under the catalysts control - this is not ruled out. sharing technology would not hurt the reapers - they are still omnipotent.

for the catalyst, this is a win/win situation. either this experiment works out or it failes and the catalyst pulls the release cord.

but like o wrote .. it is not stated, what happens to the reapers (control-wise) - this is open to interpretation.

but yeah .. the devs anything out of the slides, that would look synthesis bad.

some of the reasons are not semi intelligent - sorry, but this is downright insulting. taking away the possibility to chose or reject transhumanism is not a small task. in synthesis, shepard makes the decision far the entire galaxy - the personal decisions of every individual are rendered pointless. the freedon to chose is one of our most basic rights.

Not really.  If the Reapers share everything they know, then they lose the edge.  They're hardly omnipotent.  They can be destroyed by mundane means, for one thing.  It just takes a lot.  And from what we can easily infer from the Catalyst's dialogue, synthesis is permanent and irreversible.  Sorta like burning a wooden log to ash.  You really can't reverse the process, once it is done, it's done.  So this whole "experiment" thing you're angling for really doesn't make any sense on many levels.

And I have to marvel at how people are perfectly willing to take Destroy (or even Refuse ) at face value, but question everything about Synthesis.  And when presented with solid evidence why the belief is wrong, you handwave it as favoritism on the part of the devs?  You can't pick and choose what part of the ending to believe.  You either believe all of it, like a sane person, or none of it, like an ITer.  Thus we go with what we are shown, and no more.  People make up crap about synthesis, then call synthesis an abomination because of that made-up crap.  I call for an end to headcanon, and to embrace what we actually know about synthesis (what EDI and the slides tell us, in addition to the Catalyst dialogue).

[Dr_Extrem]

where is stated, that they share everything. well ... reapers are big and powerfull. if we take synthesis at face value, there is no more need for armies and defenses - defend against what?

if the catalyst would decide to end this experiment, he could just let the reapers kill everyone. without an army to defend, you will loose. just like the leviathans did - they were the most powerfull race ever.
i did not say that they would revert the effects on synthesis .. that is not possible.

i dont think that synthesis is an abomination ... it is just very hard to believe, that it is possible in the way it is shown.


i just wanted to give something to think about. 


someone cant say that destroy or refuse are bad, without seeing possible problems with synthesis or control - all endings are not perfect solutions. we are just more willing to overlook the downsides of our prefered ending.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 29 décembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[Krunjar]

Can't we just accept the fact that the endings are what they are and let people like what they like? Still screaming abomination! at something different does kind actually kinda make me wonder about the people in this topic. U guys got some kind of obsession with biological purity. Simple truth of the universe folks. There is not such thing as an abomination. Except for those who choose to see it that way. Forcing your definition of such on others is as much a violation as synthesis you claim to abhor.

The world moves forward whether we like it or not. Caring not one jot for our scruples. Perhaps the best message of synthesis. And in the face if it you either adapt ... or die. There is no escaping it.

But that's my take and you really really don't have to agree. But im also free to think that its the ostrich defence. Refusing to solve a problem by sticking your head in  the comforting unthreatening sand and hoping it all goes away.

Modifié par Krunjar, 29 décembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[ziloe]

Maximanimo wrote...

Really? Its soon been a year and these threads still keeps popping up...lol:mellow:

Because some of us still play them, and some of us may have just bought the game too. Not everybody finishes a game in the first three days, or even buys it on its release. Some wait for special editions, etc.

[StoneSwords]

wizardryforever wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Pyk wrote...
As for Synthesis being abomination, I still believe it doesn't deprive organics of emotions, free will and so on... But the real question is how does it affect synthetics. Adds glands? Animal urges?

The real question is what happens to the Reapers in Synthesis.  Are they still controlled by the Catalyst?  Or are they now unshackled and independent?  Either way, the implications are worrying...

 i think that is not even stated .. during the slides, they are just .. standing around. nobody knows.


my interpretation is, that they are still under the catalysts control - just to wait for this experiment to go awry.

EDI says that they help rebuild, and that the knowledge of past civilizations stored in them is shared across the galaxy, advancing technology and culture by leaps and bounds.  That doesn't strike me as something an enemy would do.  He's just looking for stupid reasons to justify his hatred of synthesis.  There are semi-intelligent reasons to dislike it, but this one is just stupid, IMO.

they could share their knowledge and help rebuilding, while under the catalysts control - this is not ruled out. sharing technology would not hurt the reapers - they are still omnipotent.

for the catalyst, this is a win/win situation. either this experiment works out or it failes and the catalyst pulls the release cord.

but like o wrote .. it is not stated, what happens to the reapers (control-wise) - this is open to interpretation.

but yeah .. the devs anything out of the slides, that would look synthesis bad.

some of the reasons are not semi intelligent - sorry, but this is downright insulting. taking away the possibility to chose or reject transhumanism is not a small task. in synthesis, shepard makes the decision far the entire galaxy - the personal decisions of every individual are rendered pointless. the freedon to chose is one of our most basic rights.

Not really.  If the Reapers share everything they know, then they lose the edge.  They're hardly omnipotent.  They can be destroyed by mundane means, for one thing.  It just takes a lot.  And from what we can easily infer from the Catalyst's dialogue, synthesis is permanent and irreversible.  Sorta like burning a wooden log to ash.  You really can't reverse the process, once it is done, it's done.  So this whole "experiment" thing you're angling for really doesn't make any sense on many levels.

And I have to marvel at how people are perfectly willing to take Destroy (or even Refuse ) at face value, but question everything about Synthesis.  And when presented with solid evidence why the belief is wrong, you handwave it as favoritism on the part of the devs?  You can't pick and choose what part of the ending to believe.  You either believe all of it, like a sane person, or none of it, like an ITer.  Thus we go with what we are shown, and no more.  People make up crap about synthesis, then call synthesis an abomination because of that made-up crap.  I call for an end to headcanon, and to embrace what we actually know about synthesis (what EDI and the slides tell us, in addition to the Catalyst dialogue).

You gotta think about it from Shep's point of view, without metagaming.  Honestly, without knowing he's dooming the galaxy to repeat the cycle, most Sheps would probably refuse, and keep fighting, because that's just what Shep does, he finds a better way, he beats the odds.  The fact that synthesis will genetically rewrite every living being in the galaxy is presented right from the beginning, and I just can't imagine anyone hearing that and believing its for the best, thinking they have the right to play God and force that change on trillions of people, whether organic or synthetic.  Synthesis is actually the least likey to be picked by anyone, there's a reason it's the most infamous choice on the BSN