ElSuperGecko wrote...
The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis
The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis
The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis
The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis
Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about Synthesis
ATiBotka wrote...
ElSuperGecko wrote...
The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis
The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis
The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis
The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis
Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about Synthesis
Synthesis doesn't even existed then.
ATiBotka wrote...
ElSuperGecko wrote...
The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis
The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis
The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis
The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis
Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about Synthesis
Synthesis doesn't even existed then.
ElSuperGecko wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
ElSuperGecko wrote...
The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis
The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis
The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis
The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis
Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about Synthesis
Synthesis doesn't even existed then.
So I guess I know which of the two groups you belong to then!
Foreshadowing is seriously lost on some people.
I fail to see how building a giant mix-master in space earned us the right to become (sorry for the moment of brucie) "Genetically Superior" to the point of being an immediate man-machine hybrid. Besides, even if it does remember what legion said about the heretics in ME2.111987 wrote...
ziloe wrote...
I find it odd that the highest EMS would grant you the option, Synthesis. Having replayed the whole series over again recently, the final epic in the series was about uniting the various races and overcoming the odds, together.
The beauty of society is that we each bring something unique to the table. Synthesis essentially takes all of that away, and though it may be more efficient, it removes that in born want of a better existence. We strive to better ourselves, and that experience makes us stronger.
And of course, as Uncle Ben once said, "With power comes great responsibility." Had it just been handed to us (with or without our consent), it would create chaos, similar to rewarding a child for doing nothing.
Why? Because we didn't earn it, and most of all, it would have been the biggest troll of the Reapers yet. Essentially, it would have made us just like them. Maybe not in the same form, but it would remove that unique beauty that is our universe.
That said, for me the right choice would be Destroy. I loved EDI and Legion, however, their existence was a detriment to society. If you think I'm wrong, consider the Geth merging themselves with the Quarians suits, to "help" them develop better antibodies, etc. Without Destroy, the cycle would continue, albeit in a new form.
((Discuss))
Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.
We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.
gert56nom wrote...
ignoring the synthesis for a moment and look at what the StarKid says.
he created the reapers, he started the cycle of harvests, he controls the reapers, but he wont stop them , wont even have them pause so you can discuss this with the council or anyone, still says his descision is correct.
& then turns around & says you can stop the cycle, you only have to kill yourself 1 of 3 ways
Why would anyone possibly have a trust issue with StarKid after that
spirosz wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
ElSuperGecko wrote...
The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis
The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis
The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis
The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis
Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about Synthesis
Synthesis doesn't even existed then.
Technically, there will always be the idea to combining organics and synthetics, regardless of that being put in motion and more importantly, how... is a whole other debate.
ziloe wrote...
gert56nom wrote...
ignoring the synthesis for a moment and look at what the StarKid says.
he created the reapers, he started the cycle of harvests, he controls the reapers, but he wont stop them , wont even have them pause so you can discuss this with the council or anyone, still says his descision is correct.
& then turns around & says you can stop the cycle, you only have to kill yourself 1 of 3 ways
Why would anyone possibly have a trust issue with StarKid after that
To be fair, Shepard didn't need to walk epically into Destroy's explosion.
ATiBotka wrote...
ElSuperGecko wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
ElSuperGecko wrote...
The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis
The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis
The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis
The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis
Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about Synthesis
Synthesis doesn't even existed then.
So I guess I know which of the two groups you belong to then!
Foreshadowing is seriously lost on some people.
Even BioWare said they didn't planned ahead.
1. The vision was just a warning against the reapersElSuperGecko wrote...
1. The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis2. The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis3. The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis4. The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis5. Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about SynthesisWith almost every example of organics and synthetics merging leading to horrific results right throughout the series, only the most blissfully ignorant (or hopelessly naive) individuals could possibly think Synthesis would be a good idea.
Modifié par Troxa, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:50 .
Troxa wrote...
1. The vision was just a warning against the reapers - who are a fusion of synthetic and organic and have attempted to force Synthesis before
2. Mindless husks - that are a fusion of synthetic and organic and a clear indicator of what happened when the Reapers attempted to force Syntrhesis before
3. Data recovered from the Sanctuary
husk experiments explain that husk conversion is accelerated by the
amount of adrenaline (or the cross-species equivalent) in the subject.
Adrenaline is used as the delivery medium for nanites in the conversion
process. The more adrenaline the victim has when the conversion process
begins, the faster and more efficient it becomes. Therefore, the shock
generated from the victim's impaling would cause an increase to the
amount of adrenaline in their system. - which is all well and good, but where exactly are you going with that? The quote does nothing to invalidate the idea that the Reaper's "husking" of organic races is a foreshadowing of Synthesis
4. Not really the same kind of synthesis & not a warning. (the tech required is far beyond the reapers) - which is fine for naive, hopefull headcanon, but contrary to what Shepard knows at the point you need to make the decision
5. where? - play Mass Effect 1.
And read this
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/15377303/17#15401477 - all irrelevant, as Synthesis is neither portrayed nor explained that way in the game. All we have is the lore (and the warnings we were previously given regarding the Reapers and their goals) to go on.
ElSuperGecko wrote...
Troxa wrote...
1. The vision was just a warning against the reapers - who are a fusion of synthetic and organic and have attempted to force Synthesis before - Nowhere in the vision is there a fusion betwen synthetics & organics
2. Mindless husks - that are a fusion of synthetic and organic and a clear indicator of what happened when the Reapers attempted to force Syntrhesis before- Not the same kind of synthesis nanotechnology vs string manipilation
3. Data recovered from the Sanctuary
husk experiments explain that husk conversion is accelerated by the
amount of adrenaline (or the cross-species equivalent) in the subject.
Adrenaline is used as the delivery medium for nanites in the conversion
process. The more adrenaline the victim has when the conversion process
begins, the faster and more efficient it becomes. Therefore, the shock
generated from the victim's impaling would cause an increase to the
amount of adrenaline in their system. - which is all well and good, but where exactly are you going with that? The quote does nothing to invalidate the idea that the Reaper's "husking" of organic races is a foreshadowing of Synthesis - it invalidate the kind of synthesis that the crucible has
4. Not really the same kind of synthesis & not a warning. (the tech required is far beyond the reapers) - which is fine for naive, hopefull headcanon, but contrary to what Shepard knows at the point you need to make the decision - not naive the reapers if the reapers had the power they would need physical bodies & they would not need too reap civilizations they would have the powers of a true god. Even the crucible has no narrative legitimacy. as players we need a lot more information
5. where? - play Mass Effect 1. - No where in me 1 saren killed himself because he was a cyborg
And read this
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/15377303/17#15401477 - all irrelevant, as Synthesis is neither portrayed nor explained that way in the game. All we have is the lore (and the warnings we were previously given regarding the Reapers and their goals) to go on. - all relevent it's a science fiction & we have no lore about synthesis no explenation how it works
Modifié par Troxa, 04 janvier 2013 - 07:04 .
StoneSwords wrote...
ziloe wrote...
gert56nom wrote...
ignoring the synthesis for a moment and look at what the StarKid says.
he created the reapers, he started the cycle of harvests, he controls the reapers, but he wont stop them , wont even have them pause so you can discuss this with the council or anyone, still says his descision is correct.
& then turns around & says you can stop the cycle, you only have to kill yourself 1 of 3 ways
Why would anyone possibly have a trust issue with StarKid after that
To be fair, Shepard didn't need to walk epically into Destroy's explosion.
True, but either way that explosion was gonna blast him into orbit, guess he figured he might as well look cool while doing it?
fiendishchicken wrote...
holy crap this thread is still alive?
ATiBotka wrote...
ziloe wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
munnellyladt wrote...
And lets not forget it makes everybody a reaper in a way.
"Billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies"?
What's this from?
Legion.
Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 05 janvier 2013 - 07:05 .
KiwiQuiche wrote...
A 'Synthesis is wrong, Destroy is obvious right' thread again?
I always Refuse; mainly I'm not gonna accept that thing's help and secondly this cycle is too dumb to live. Need a good cleansing.
ElSuperGecko wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
ElSuperGecko wrote...
The Prothean Vision in ME1/ME2 = a warning about Synthesis
The fate of the Prothean race (being turned into Collectors) = a warning about Synthesis
The entire Dragon Tooth (what happened to them, by the way?) huskification process = a warning about Synthesis
The birth of the Reapers (each created from a harvested race) = a warning about Synthesis
Saren's fate and his "vision of the future" = a warning about Synthesis
Synthesis doesn't even existed then.
So I guess I know which of the two groups you belong to then!
Foreshadowing is seriously lost on some people.
Trigunvts wrote...
I did the synthesis ending and it just felt totally wrong to me. Also both EDI and the Geth mentioned they would gladly risk "nonfunctionality" to destroy the reapers.
pirate1802 wrote...
It's a tall order to expect consistent foreshadowing from people who can't even keep their themes straight. They probably didn't even think they'll ever make a sequel when they made all those Prothean visions and Saren's "fate" in ME1. To think they were planning ahead for the third ending of their third game.. lol.
ziloe wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
A 'Synthesis is wrong, Destroy is obvious right' thread again?
I always Refuse; mainly I'm not gonna accept that thing's help and secondly this cycle is too dumb to live. Need a good cleansing.
Lol, I like your quote.
BleedingUranium wrote...
pirate1802 wrote...
It's a tall order to expect consistent foreshadowing from people who can't even keep their themes straight. They probably didn't even think they'll ever make a sequel when they made all those Prothean visions and Saren's "fate" in ME1. To think they were planning ahead for the third ending of their third game.. lol.
ME was planned as a trilogy, so yes they did plan ahead. And the themes have always stayed the same in ME, very solid themes actually.
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