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[Wayning_Star]

Falaxe wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Before you know when the Bo- *ahem* Synthesize Galaxy visit organic galaxies ones the first they will say "Resistance is futile."

How could we know, how could we ever really be sure?

They will create massive factories to nearby galaxies, where they brainwash new civilizationgs under reaper-control. "Synthesis is soooo beautiful"

why would anyone brainwash synthetic beings? Matter of fact, it cannot be done. Besides, Shep is in there as well, I doubt Shep would sanction that stuff. Even to win a non arguement.

[Rifneno]

Wayning_Star wrote...

it's weird that another human did that to another human. But that's not synthesis is it... no matter how you dramatize it, just plain isn't true..your hypothisis.

You're right.  This:



has no similarity to this:



...

....

</sarcasm>

[BrookerT]

All endings can be seen as different kinds of evils:
@Destroy is Genocide and murder
@Control is mass indoctrination committed by Shepard
@Refuse is the Reapers Winning because Shepard is too chicken do to anything
@Synthesis is the forced and invasive evolution of all sapient life in the galaxy

All are bad in some way, and yet all give hope in different way:
@ Destroy gives hope for a future free from the reapers and the pain of the past (geth invasion)
@Control puts Shepard in the role of benevolent god, and leads to hope to a society built on a stable structure where all have a voice
@Refuse shows how the next cycle wins triumphantly due to your actions in this cycle
@Synthesis leads to a future of infinite possibilities, a technological paradise with no synthetic/organic conflict

If synthesis is an abomination, then so are the other three, All ask you to defy your own morality in some way. You must accept that no choice is perfect, all are abominable yet all give some form of hope (even if you don't believe that hope should exist)

[Wayning_Star]

Rifneno wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

it's weird that another human did that to another human. But that's not synthesis is it... no matter how you dramatize it, just plain isn't true..your hypothisis.

You're right.  This:



has no similarity to this:



...

....

</sarcasm>

yes, you should be sarcastic, but don't be so hard on yourself, learning is... hard work.

really tho, those two are only related, but that's the extent of it. Tell the difference? I think you do. lol

[Rifneno]

Wayning_Star wrote...

yes, you should be sarcastic, but don't be so hard on yourself, learning is... hard work.

really tho, those two are only related, but that's the extent of it. Tell the difference? I think you do. lol

Man, BW REALLY overestimated their fanbase's intelligence.

[Linkforlife]

"Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You whither and die."
"We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything."
"Your words are as empty as your future. I am the vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over."

- Sovereign

[jstme]

BrookerT wrote...

All endings can be seen as different kinds of evils:
@Destroy is Genocide and murder
@Control is mass indoctrination committed by Shepard
@Refuse is the Reapers Winning because Shepard is too chicken do to anything
@Synthesis is the forced and invasive evolution of all sapient life in the galaxy

All are bad in some way, and yet all give hope in different way:
@ Destroy gives hope for a future free from the reapers and the pain of the past (geth invasion)
@Control puts Shepard in the role of benevolent god, and leads to hope to a society built on a stable structure where all have a voice
@Refuse shows how the next cycle wins triumphantly due to your actions in this cycle
@Synthesis leads to a future of infinite possibilities, a technological paradise with no synthetic/organic conflict

If synthesis is an abomination, then so are the other three, All ask you to defy your own morality in some way. You must accept that no choice is perfect, all are abominable yet all give some form of hope (even if you don't believe that hope should exist)

Synthesis is removal of all organic life in the galaxy. It is not "evolution of sapient life" simply because it effects ALL organic life that exists prior to synthesis,and does not exist after synthesis.
So while i agree to your approach that all ME3 endings were created flawed in purpose, synthesis is most horrible of them all. 

[Wayning_Star]

No matter how much of a fool you can be, it's impossible to fool a fooler. The catalyst has you by the short'n curlies.. Do like you're told(as Shep would say, follow your orders). You made the bed, now have a good nights sleep in it... Of course you "could" just blame it all on Leviathan. They did make you steal off and squat on reaper tech for generations..

[ziloe]

jstme wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

All endings can be seen as different kinds of evils:
@Destroy is Genocide and murder
@Control is mass indoctrination committed by Shepard
@Refuse is the Reapers Winning because Shepard is too chicken do to anything
@Synthesis is the forced and invasive evolution of all sapient life in the galaxy

All are bad in some way, and yet all give hope in different way:
@ Destroy gives hope for a future free from the reapers and the pain of the past (geth invasion)
@Control puts Shepard in the role of benevolent god, and leads to hope to a society built on a stable structure where all have a voice
@Refuse shows how the next cycle wins triumphantly due to your actions in this cycle
@Synthesis leads to a future of infinite possibilities, a technological paradise with no synthetic/organic conflict

If synthesis is an abomination, then so are the other three, All ask you to defy your own morality in some way. You must accept that no choice is perfect, all are abominable yet all give some form of hope (even if you don't believe that hope should exist)

Synthesis is removal of all organic life in the galaxy. It is not "evolution of sapient life" simply because it effects ALL organic life that exists prior to synthesis,and does not exist after synthesis.
So while i agree to your approach that all ME3 endings were created flawed in purpose, synthesis is most horrible of them all. 

Exactly. And it also takes away from what Shepard was saying in the beginning, that they all had to unite together to face this together. Had they all been one in the same, they'd never have won.

[Iakus]

Wayning_Star wrote...

iakus wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
somone/thing knew, but it's important, that Shep didn't get to find out...ever?!?

I't s important that Shepard (and the galaxy at large) learn for themselves.  Not take shortcuts.

I guess the catalyst is only a few billion years old, so they did kind of take a short cut,eh?

Yep.  As Mordin would put it: "like giving nuclear weapons to cave men"

[Iakus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

"We are not ready" is the eternal defense of the traditionalist. We learn to handle things after we have acquired them, not before. It has always been so.

Ah, and no progression is more natural than another. Technology exchange, by trade or by force, has been the norm for all of human history.

Krogan Rebellions

[Ieldra]

iakus wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
"We are not ready" is the eternal defense of the traditionalist. We learn to handle things after we have acquired them, not before. It has always been so.

Ah, and no progression is more natural than another. Technology exchange, by trade or by force, has been the norm for all of human history.

Krogan Rebellions

It would've happened as soon as the krogan got spaceflight. Doesn't matter how. The restraining factor was Tuchanka's hostile environment.

Also, that wasn't my point. I didn't say technology exchange can't be dangerous. But developing things on your own is not intrinsically better than getting things from somewhere else, unless it affects understanding. As I said, had the krogan developed spaceflight on their own, the same thing would've happened.

[Ieldra]

ziloe wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

ziloe wrote...
The races are not ready for it. They do not understand its responsibilities. Understanding or not, another war would eventually be inevitable, because someone with their newfound power, would want to find themselves the superior race. 

"We are not ready" is the eternal defense of the traditionalist. We learn to handle things after we have acquired them, not before. It has always been so.

Ah, and no progression is more natural than another. Technology exchange, by trade or by force, has been the norm for all of human history.

I like how you just lump people in categories. The whole idea of this thread is that Synthesis removes the unique qualities presented by each race/individual. The individuality is gone, when there is nothing to strive for.

And there you're wrong. The Synthesis epilogue is actually advancement-themed (if you can be bothered to watch it). Diversity - between individuals or species - is not removed, also seen in the epilogue. I have no idea why you're denying what's in front of your eyes, but as long as you're doing that, your "points" are null and void.

As for Mordin: he's a character in a game. I am not required to agree with him. See my answer to iakus.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Shepard108278]

111987 wrote...

ziloe wrote...

 I find it odd that the highest EMS would grant you the option, Synthesis. Having replayed the whole series over again recently, the final epic in the series was about uniting the various races and overcoming the odds, together. 

The beauty of society is that we each bring something unique to the table. Synthesis essentially takes all of that away, and though it may be more efficient, it removes that in born want of a better existence. We strive to better ourselves, and that experience makes us stronger.

And of course, as Uncle Ben once said, "With power comes great responsibility." Had it just been handed to us (with or without our consent), it would create chaos, similar to rewarding a child for doing nothing.

Why? Because we didn't earn it, and most of all, it would have been the biggest troll of the Reapers yet. Essentially, it would have made us just like them. Maybe not in the same form, but it would remove that unique beauty that is our universe.

That said, for me the right choice would be Destroy. I loved EDI and Legion, however, their existence was a detriment to society. If you think I'm wrong, consider the Geth merging themselves with the Quarians suits, to "help" them develop better antibodies, etc. Without Destroy, the cycle would continue, albeit in a new form.

((Discuss))

Synthesis does not remove diversity. Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari, etc.

We built the Crucible, thus we earned it. As the Catalyst says, Synthesis is not something to be forced. We were ready for it.

I agree hence why I like that ending.

[Bill Casey]

It's a galactic equivalent of human experimentation...
Except it's the entire galaxy at once, and you just learned about it from the reaper king...

It's ****ing deplorably monstrous. The most deplorable ending by far...
You don't experiment on people like that...
That's some Josef Mengele bull****...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[Rifneno]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As for Mordin: he's a character in a game. I am not required to agree with him. See my answer to iakus.

Once again, the socio-technological speech is not just something they made up to make Mordin sound smart.  It's real science.  Deal with it.  You can no more disagree with it than you can disagree with gravity.

[Sonashi]

Ieldra2 wrote...

"We are not ready" is the eternal defense of the traditionalist. We learn to handle things after we have acquired them, not before. It has always been so.

Ah, and no progression is more natural than another. Technology exchange, by trade or by force, has been the norm for all of human history.

Well it's not entirely true. You see in some cases, you have to make some preparations before you do something. For expamle you can't put inexperienced driver in Formula 1 car. He wouldn't even set off. He has to be ready before that.

Watch:



Excuse me Ieldra2, but I don't quite understand that. Could you explain it a little more?

Modifié par Sonashi, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:18 .

[ziloe]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

ziloe wrote...
The races are not ready for it. They do not understand its responsibilities. Understanding or not, another war would eventually be inevitable, because someone with their newfound power, would want to find themselves the superior race. 

"We are not ready" is the eternal defense of the traditionalist. We learn to handle things after we have acquired them, not before. It has always been so.

Ah, and no progression is more natural than another. Technology exchange, by trade or by force, has been the norm for all of human history.

I like how you just lump people in categories. The whole idea of this thread is that Synthesis removes the unique qualities presented by each race/individual. The individuality is gone, when there is nothing to strive for.

And there you're wrong. The Synthesis epilogue is actually advancement-themed (if you can be bothered to watch it). Diversity - between individuals or species - is not removed, also seen in the epilogue. I have no idea why you're denying what's in front of your eyes, but as long as you're doing that, your "points" are null and void.

As for Mordin: he's a character in a game. I am not required to agree with him. See my answer to iakus.

A character who raises a very real, valid point.

[Eterna]

Rifneno wrote...

I like this human, he understands!

It's funny because he doesn't. 

[Samtheman63]

highest ems grants you destroy, shepard lives

[Eterna]

umadcommander wrote...

synthesis is the least popular ending for a reason

Control is actually the least popular. 

[Rifneno]

Eterna5 wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

synthesis is the least popular ending for a reason

Control is actually the least popular. 

Has BW said this, or is that going by BSN polls?

[Bill Casey]

Control is least popular, synthesis is most hated...

[Ieldra]

Sonashi wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

"We are not ready" is the eternal defense of the traditionalist. We learn to handle things after we have acquired them, not before. It has always been so.

Ah, and no progression is more natural than another. Technology exchange, by trade or by force, has been the norm for all of human history.

Well it's not entirely true. You see in some cases, you have to make some preparations before you do something. For expamle you can't put inexperienced driver in Formula 1 car. He wouldn't even set off. He has to be ready before that.

Watch:
Excuse me Ieldra2, but I don't quite understand that. Could you explain it a little more?

Different points. This is about technical expertise, the other argument about technology assessment.

To illustrate the difference: In the case of the cavemen with the nukes, likely they wouldn't be able to set them off. So no problem, right?

[Eterna]

Rifneno wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

synthesis is the least popular ending for a reason

Control is actually the least popular. 

Has BW said this, or is that going by BSN polls?

An extended cut survey done to evaluate the thought process of Mass Effect fans. It had a very large sample pool, I'm pretty sure Mike Gamble linked it on Twitter and that is how I read it. I'm trying to find it again.