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[Icesong]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So some Miranda fans started arguing because what?

What?

Something about this sounds incredibly stupid.

Is it the part where BW can't moderate a forum? That's what blows me away every time I think about it.

[FaWa]

Doesn't matter, Team Dextro won in the end.

And I think you should patch ME2 to make sure Miranda always dies in the SM. Problem solved. 

Modifié par FaWa, 25 décembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[Sejborg]

fiendishchicken wrote...

*Sadface*

It was us. The Miranda romancers...

The user known as Taboo was a big part of it. I know this because I was also heavily involved as well, to a lot of the same extent.

http://social.biowar.../index/14345382

I am truly sorry for contributing to getting that forum shut down for everyone. Especially the people of other characters who had a very respectful and sane group. They went to bed one day talking about Jack, the next day they were closed down.

The basic issue was that we a lot of us Miranda romancers have some strong, differing opinions. We were pretty much polarized in opinion with everything under the sun, even outside of ME. There are members of the group (I've learned my lesson. I keep my mouth shut and disappear when they say stuff) that for me, is literally impossible to find any sort of common ground with, and there is a particular member who has a tendency to look down his nose (wether he realizes it or not; I'm not saying that to be mean, but just the way he talks to people can be easily interpreted as this) at other posters of differing opinion.

We let those differences get the better of us. A lot of us are very strong minded and willed. The basic idea was that there was a so called ruling cabal of the Miranda page who enforced their opinion of Miranda, and that the group that I fell in disagreed and we separated completely from that group, again with an ambiguous motive to form our own cabal.

It was..... messy. And pretty bloody. 

The two groups are pretty much like North and South Korea right now.

Also BW is trying to get rid of the RPG elements to their games, and the romance forum was the first to go. Plus, Priestly is a well known disliker of romance in games.

What were you arguing? Was it something like this:

Mirandafan1: "Miranda has great ass. :OI wouldn't mind getting some action with dat!"

Miriflowers: "Shut up! Miranda is a people! Show some respect!"

Mirandafan1: "I just showed her butt some respect! If u know wat I mean! lolzorz!:D"

Miriflowers: "Shut your mouth or GTFO! I will end you!!!"

[FaWa]

"Miranda is a people"

LOL

[fiendishchicken]

The reason the forum got closed was because of the Miranda fans. It was not however, because of Miranda, or even Mass Effect for that matter. There were disagreements there, sure, but things started to go downhill when external issues came into play. We basically hated each other because of things that really had nothing to the game came in. Personality conflicts, some people misinterpreted what another person said, a lot of drama really. Things that shouldn't have happened that did happen.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 25 décembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[David7204]

Yeah, I think I saw a bit of that...

[L2 Sentinel]

What did the Mirimancers disagree on? I mean if it was a war between Miranda fans and Miranda haters, I'd get it. But what is so polarizing about Miranda that her fanbase had to divide itself into factions?

[TheWerdna]

I would like to also point out, that for once it was not me or my fellow Talimancer's fault

[Clayless]

Rauhel wrote...

What did the Mirimancers disagree on? I mean if it was a war between Miranda fans and Miranda haters, I'd get it. But what is so polarizing about Miranda that her fanbase had to divide itself into factions?

Who knows. I love Miranda and even I can't think.

[Han Shot First]

Rauhel wrote...

What did the Mirimancers disagree on? I mean if it was a war between Miranda fans and Miranda haters, I'd get it. But what is so polarizing about Miranda that her fanbase had to divide itself into factions?

I'd like to know the answer to this as well.

What were the disagreements on?

Other character threads had disagreements on certain aspects or background info on characters as well, but nothing that ever went nuclear.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 25 décembre 2012 - 04:41 .

[Merchant2006]

The Character & Romance Discussion was a good source of alien hentai fanfiction and to be honest I always knew it would collapse.

All those rabid, freakish fervent behavior in that section coupled with people copy-pasting images of Kaiden's face on an excessively hairy body and not being able to take a joke when someone said "Miranda has big teeth" lead to the 'discussion' turning into an all out war.

It's funny really. I never went there and when I did it was usually to post on a topic about how much I loved Dr. Chakwas and that Miranda was a nobody who was only useful for her rear. I got messages upon messages saying how I was a sick person and that Miranda was a wonderful character and how I was a jealous person.

I mean, look at my signatures. My avatars. Do they take me for real? Yes they did.

The place won't be missed. In fact, whenever I looked at that section I always shuddered to think what was going on in there but now it's been locked and the instant informed my friends we all roared with laughter. As one of them said,

"How the hell did it stay open for so long? That place is the Ravenholm of the BioWare Forum, you don't go in there and if you do then you better lube up and prepare for the horror."

[RadicalDisconnect]

Frankly, is there a good reason to reopen that forum?

[iSousek]

^ Yes, because people like discussing their favourite characters. If you don't like it, don't visit it.

It's a shame that the whole forum had to be closed down simply because of one group of people. it shows lack of moderation imagination and skill on the mod/admin side.

[xsdob]

Whole section was rubbish anyway if you ask me. All people did was post deviantart art, some of which was NSFW, and made a self-perpetual talk about the same thing over and over.

[Jadebaby]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Miranda fans.

This

[Vigilant111]

xsdob wrote...

Whole section was rubbish anyway if you ask me. All people did was post deviantart art, some of which was NSFW, and made a self-perpetual talk about the same thing over and over.

As if this forum is any better

NSFW stuff? speak for yourself, not every thread has those

@OP: It is much easier to let forum-goers to manage their own fan base by creating groups, than to have BW staff does the monitoring... It is an effective troll patrol policy: would you join a group just to post some stupid comment like "Kaidan is an emo"?

[Ieldra]

Han Shot First wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

What did the Mirimancers disagree on? I mean if it was a war between Miranda fans and Miranda haters, I'd get it. But what is so polarizing about Miranda that her fanbase had to divide itself into factions?

I'd like to know the answer to this as well.

What were the disagreements on?

Other character threads had disagreements on certain aspects or background info on characters as well, but nothing that ever went nuclear.

I'll give you the long-term perspective: Right from the start, there were disagreements about the relative importance of certain character traits. Basically, there was the romance-focused faction who wanted Miranda to be more emotional, less pragmatic and didn't want her to have had a sex life before Shepard as far as at all reasonable, and the non-romance-focused faction who appreciated the subversion of certain female stereotypes, resulting in a more emotionally detached, professional and pragmatic Miranda who liked casual sex. This wouldn't have been more than a standard disagreement if not for two factors: (1) It turned out that almost all other disagreements about Miranda (attitude to her working for Cerberus, the infertility and possible solutions, her genetic engineering etc..) aligned with the existing factions divided by their attitude to romance. Usually, if many people disagree with each other in different ways, the result is a network of differently-aligned individuals and small groups. Here, the result was a sharp divide into two factions, with a few moderates caught in the middle. (2) Before ME3 came out, everyone was emotionally invested in Miranda's future portrayal, so each side tried to gain sovereignty of interpretation for their drastically different portrayals. 

All this flared up here and there in the character threads over the years, at times it got so bad that one group exiled themselves to a BSN group and the other one to an external forum. One side accused the other of wanting MIranda to be a walking traditionalist stereotype, or of wanting her to be a heartless b*tch, respectively, but things always calmed down again.

Then ME3 came out and few people liked the overall result because we all expected Miranda to have a bigger role in the Cerberus plot and thought her story potential was largely wasted by limiting her role to a loyalty mission rehash. Since the romance content was generally acccepted as ok, the non-romance faction in particular felt betrayed on several counts. Nonetheless, things stayed tense but reasonably peaceful since nobody was really content, until...well, for the rest, see fiendishchicken's post on the first page of this thread, it's spot on. Basically, the clash wasn't exactly about the old disagreements but they served as a focus for the polarization that eventually resulted in open conflict.

Having said that, I think the conflict in the Miranda fanbase may have been the trigger for the shutdown, but I don't think it was the only reason. There was a lot of other bad stuff going on.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 décembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

fiendishchicken wrote...

*Sadface*

It was us. The Miranda romancers...

The user known as Taboo was a big part of it. I know this because I was also heavily involved as well, to a lot of the same extent.

http://social.biowar.../index/14345382

That thread... seriously, stuff like that can't be good for you. There's being a fan and then there's being obsessed. Not healthy.

[Aurora313]

Problem is, whenever I hear 'Miranda' I think of the Planet where the Revears were created... and an family in-joke that started because of said Planet.

Goddamn you, Firefly...

[giftfish]

iSousek wrote...

^ Yes, because people like discussing their favourite characters. If you don't like it, don't visit it.

It's
a shame that the whole forum had to be closed down simply because of
one group of people. it shows lack of moderation imagination and skill
on the mod/admin side.

This.

Players and BioWare are both to blame for the shutting down of the Character and Romance forum.  Almost all players who frequent BSN could stand to conduct themselves in a more civilized manner, but the unfortunate truth is that many will not.  BioWare knows this.  They need to take a much more aggressive stance on forum etiquette and protocol and swing that ban hammer. They could learn a bit from the Nexus sites, in my opinion. 

The reality is that if players refuse to moderate their own behavior, then BW needs to do it for them. Heavier moderation will improve the quality of the forums dramatically -- and I'm talking moderation of players, not shutting down threads because BW might not like the contents. Closing down an entire forum, and the opinions contained therein should not be an option.

Merchant2006 wrote... The place won't be missed. In fact, whenever I looked at that section I always shuddered to think what was going on in there but now it's been locked and the instant informed my friends we all roared with
laughter.

The C&R forum is being missed by many, many people.

Say about it what you will, it was an extremely active section of the forums, and not every thread was a toxic wasteland.  Yep, there were heated discussions, but that can be a good thing.  It was also probably the forum that was most-geared toward the players who focus on the RP aspects of the game (along with this forum). These are also the players who have been the most critical of BW's treatment of the characters (and not to mention story) in ME3.

Despite the dumbing down of the RP elements in ME3, the characters in Mass Effect are what MAKE Mass Effect.  Same with Dragon Age.  Every player will have their favorites, and most won't have just one.  Therefore, it's logical to have a section of the forums dedicated to the discussion of these characters.  The C&R is not only the ideal place for fans of a character to find other fans who also enjoy that character, it is also the ideal place for fanbases of different characters to engage in conversation with each other.  Players that are fans of both Tali and Thane, or Kaidan and Miranda, should be able to easily find each other so they can talk about their favored charcters. At the moment this is essentially impossible, considering the dated interface of BSN. Private Groups are not a substitute for an open forum of discussion.

The shuttering of these forums has effectively squelched players from openly discussing these fantastic characters.  These players are some of the most loyal and dedicated Mass Effect --not to mention BioWare-- fans out there, and as far as I'm concerned, is a crap thing for BW to do.

Modifié par giftfish, 27 décembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[Humakt83]

Rauhel wrote...

What did the Mirimancers disagree on? I mean if it was a war between Miranda fans and Miranda haters, I'd get it. But what is so polarizing about Miranda that her fanbase had to divide itself into factions?

I guess Miranda's assets weren't enough after all. 

"When all the assets are overstared by fans, then the last remedy of all are the flames, which provideth for every fan, by closing forum or ban." - Some Mancer.