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[Jay_Hoxtatron]

GallowsPole wrote...

billpickles wrote...

Vilyn117 wrote...

Except this has nothing to do with the fact that reload cancelling is poorly implemented into this game, and acts as more of an exploit than anything. The things you have to do to use it are proof of that. So..this thread was over a long time ago, when people with the actual ability to debate ignored the "cry you cant do it" people.

Yep, because the ad hominem attacks you keep resorting to somehow equate to an ability to debate.

Also...I wasn't talking to you.  I was responding specifically to the comment about reload cancelling being unrealistic, which GallowsPole has said twice now.

Well unrealistic/realistic I use loosely when it comes to video games. Im just saying that the way it is implemented, particularly in this game, does not reward the player who knows how to do it. Its fairly easy to do so your analogy of the quick reloader was not what I was referring to. I know realistically that weapons can be quick loaded, just that the way it works in this game pretty much rewards any player, rather than the few who can reload quicker. This is why I refer to it as a cheap tactic.

Ah. So you'd be okay with Reload Cancel if it was harder to do?

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

http://social.biowar...ex/4840984&lf=8


plz uninstall the game, and dont retry

[Jayhau]

Mashing buttons in FGs is a death sentence. Bad people do it and it's easy to expose. Animation canceling and things like active frames, recovery frames, punishing, safe on block, etc... Are all things that require knowledge and you get rewarded for it. Could you win a few matches by mashing? Probably. But if you took the time to flesh out why you're doing you could be VERY successful. 

the same for mass effect. If you learn how to play efficiently you should be rewarded. Can you mash out and shoot like a dummy and win? Yes... But you won't be as good as someone who takes the extra effort to learn how to efficiently play. Complaining about this is nothing short of lazy gamers wanting great results without putting effort in.

play some fighting games, get decent, and THEN tell me animation cancels are fraudulent.

here is a video, you're welcome. It's even in slow motion. Try doing that while mashing? Lol

[Parallax Demon]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

Comparing reload cancelling to missile glitching? Seriously, dude?

The only difference is that BW says it's okay to RC and it's not okay to Missile Glitch. When you look how to RC and you look how to MG you'll see more things in common than there are differences.

Not saying that MG is okay; because it's obviously is not. But both mechanics want you to perform an action which is not natural and give you a big advantage.

[GallowsPole]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

billpickles wrote...

Vilyn117 wrote...

Except this has nothing to do with the fact that reload cancelling is poorly implemented into this game, and acts as more of an exploit than anything. The things you have to do to use it are proof of that. So..this thread was over a long time ago, when people with the actual ability to debate ignored the "cry you cant do it" people.

Yep, because the ad hominem attacks you keep resorting to somehow equate to an ability to debate.

Also...I wasn't talking to you.  I was responding specifically to the comment about reload cancelling being unrealistic, which GallowsPole has said twice now.

Well unrealistic/realistic I use loosely when it comes to video games. Im just saying that the way it is implemented, particularly in this game, does not reward the player who knows how to do it. Its fairly easy to do so your analogy of the quick reloader was not what I was referring to. I know realistically that weapons can be quick loaded, just that the way it works in this game pretty much rewards any player, rather than the few who can reload quicker. This is why I refer to it as a cheap tactic.

Ah. So you'd be okay with Reload Cancel if it was harder to do?

Personally? Hehe.....well I dont consider manipulating or taking advantage of something broken is necessarily a skill, but yeah, Id be ok with it. Like the earlier Street Fighter games and such, you really needed to work at getting the better combos and not everyone was good at it. In this game, it is just ridiculously rampant as in alot of the games. Every game probably has a glitch or a mechanic that can be exploited. There is simply no getting around that. Man made it so it can be broken.

I miss SOCOM.

[BridgeBurner]

Why is it always nabs who can't reload cancel who call it an exploit?

I love that.

"I'm not good enough to manage X therefore X must be an exploit!"

If you can't reload cancel, you're also probably not good enough to aim fire the hurricane without any recoil reduction and keep it on target, because I CAN do that, does that make me an exploiter?

A cheater?

No, I'm just using my peripherals and ability to play this game to their maximum potential.

[GunWraith]

I bloody hated the reload mechanic AND the gameplay/story in GOW 1. I didn't waste money on any sequels.

[BjornDaDwarf]

Parallax Demon wrote...


The only difference is that BW says it's okay to RC and it's not okay to Missile Glitch. When you look how to RC and you look how to MG you'll see more things in common than there are differences.

My head hurts...

Reload Canceling is in the code, it literally has it's own stats in the .ini file.  Cyonan has probably already relied with them at some point in this thread.  It's a defined trait of every single gun that has a reload mechanic.

So explain to me how something that is hard coded into virtually every gun is like Missile Glitching?

[Parallax Demon]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

http://social.biowar...ex/4840984&lf=8


plz uninstall the game, and dont retry

Or you l2p without abusing cheap game mechanics. What is the use of a long reloadtime for a gun when everybody knows how to avoid it? If you want to shoot fast use the Piranha!

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Parallax Demon wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When
you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it
looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve
your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the
same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge
back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover
to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

http://social.biowar...ex/4840984&lf=8


plz uninstall the game, and dont retry

Or
you l2p without abusing cheap game mechanics. What is the use of a long
reloadtime for a gun when everybody knows how to avoid it? If you want
to shoot fast use the Piranha!

broken>?

lol

they put it into the game there intentionally thats not broken they designed it that way


you are just mad that i have proof and you dont.

Modifié par SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING, 27 décembre 2012 - 09:58 .

[Cyonan]

Parallax Demon wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

Comparing reload cancelling to missile glitching? Seriously, dude?

The only difference is that BW says it's okay to RC and it's not okay to Missile Glitch. When you look how to RC and you look how to MG you'll see more things in common than there are differences.

Not saying that MG is okay; because it's obviously is not. But both mechanics want you to perform an action which is not natural and give you a big advantage.

There's also the difference that RC was actually an intended addition to the game.

[Maeson]

I can say I am a bit against reload cancels. Why? Because they basically remove (or lessen) a balancing negative of a weapon. Thus making some of these seemingly "subpar" weapons actually subpar. The claymore would not be as appealing as it is now because the effective window of refire is nearly doubled.

Though labled as an "advanced" move of coordination to achieve a better result... I am just made sad that a lot of the weapons given to us are not viable in higher difficutlies. While clearly some weapons are considered to be direct upgrades over others (Widow to Black Widow, Mattock to Harrier and a few more) I still think that some of the work the devs have done is going to waste. 

Call me sentimental. 

Modifié par Maeson, 27 décembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Maeson wrote...

I can say I am a bit against reload cancels. Why? Because they basically remove (or lessen) a balancing negative of a weapon. Thus making some of these "subpar" weapons seem subpar. The claymore would not be as appealing as it is now because the effective window of refire is nearly doubled.

or the reason why ppl use the claymore is BECUASE of RC....all the claymore users i have seen know how to RC with it

[Jayhau]

Dude. Seriously take a break from Mass. Play a fighting game. Please just pick one up. You'll see the light. It will make sense. Trust me. You can do it.

[GunWraith]

Parallax Demon wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

Comparing reload cancelling to missile glitching? Seriously, dude?

The only difference is that BW says it's okay to RC and it's not okay to Missile Glitch. When you look how to RC and you look how to MG you'll see more things in common than there are differences.

Not saying that MG is okay; because it's obviously is not. But both mechanics want you to perform an action which is not natural and give you a big advantage.

BW says it is ok to do a lot of things that are clever uses of game mechanics and give you a small edge. Using a projectile weapon with a charge effect and a broken class skill that recharges ammo when you turn it on and off to do EXTREME amounts of damage, does not equal clever use of game mechanics. It would be no different if I modded my files on the PC to make a Predator onehit/onekill.

[GallowsPole]

Jayhau wrote...

Dude. Seriously take a break from Mass. Play a fighting game. Please just pick one up. You'll see the light. It will make sense. Trust me. You can do it.

You are right about the fighting games. Like Street Fighter. However, compare what you needed to do then to pull crap off and what you need to do here to get a Claymore pull ridiculous damage AND that most of the community can perform. I mean, literally, 5 of the buttons on the xbox controller can do it.

[Meneldhil]

It's cheesy as hell and shouldn't be in game. And yep, I reload cancel.

I don't even care much about it, but as of now, doing it feels like abusing the game. And no, it doesn't exist in every TPS/FPS. Or maybe on consoles, but that's like the special olympics of gaming, so heh.

Cyonan wrote...

There's also the difference that RC was actually an intended addition to the game.

lol. I guess all the laughable bugs, loopholes and exploits were intended too then.

Modifié par Meneldhil, 27 décembre 2012 - 10:09 .

[cowwy]

Jayhau wrote...

Dude. Seriously take a break from Mass. Play a fighting game. Please just pick one up. You'll see the light. It will make sense. Trust me. You can do it.

I would but I am like a quadruple amputee when it comes to fighting games. Unless you count SSB, then I'm pretty good at that one.

[Jayhau]

People derp it out in FGs all day. You can derp out a quick combo into a super or you could pull off something with a little high execution and do more damage.

This is much like claymore use IMHO.

Just because you want to do the minimum doesn't mean you should get fantastic results

[Cyonan]

Meneldhil wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

There's also the difference that RC was actually an intended addition to the game.

lol. I guess all the laughable bugs, loopholes and exploits were intended too then.

All those laughable bugs, loopholes, and exploits do not have variables in the game files specifically designed to control them and nothing but them.

Reload cancelling does. You do not create a variable to control something you did not intend to have included in the game.

[Cyonan]

Jayhau wrote...

People derp it out in FGs all day. You can derp out a quick combo into a super or you could pull off something with a little high execution and do more damage.

This is much like claymore use IMHO.

Just because you want to do the minimum doesn't mean you should get fantastic results

We do it because we play against other people who do it and so we don't notice that we're doing poorly because everybody we play with is "derping it out". It's not like other games where if you just push buttons at random you tend to get completely annihilated by even the AI on the easiest difficulty.

Given that I do not play fighting games because I want to be as skilled at it as I possibly can make myself, I can't really be bothered to learn the skills of high end competitive play.

[doozerdude]

And this thread is still going?

Can you guys just quit your b*tching already?

Whining doesn't put you at the top of scorebaords, hate to burst yal bubble.

[Jayhau]

Cyonan is correct.

It is coded as an Intentional feature. Claiming otherwise is equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears and screaming lalalala. You are presented with clear, confirmed information and yet you claim otherwise. This is definition ignorance. It's sad and shameful. But I guess you can't use reasonable arguments with people who are like that. The problem with using facts and science is that you have to consider other opinions and such. So you have to listen to them. On the other hand to be ignorant you don't have to actually consider anything.

There are facts, not opinions. It is coded as a feature. Devs play some fighting games. You should too. Understand something; burying your head in the sand does not make you right.

[Parallax Demon]

Cyonan wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

Comparing reload cancelling to missile glitching? Seriously, dude?

The only difference is that BW says it's okay to RC and it's not okay to Missile Glitch. When you look how to RC and you look how to MG you'll see more things in common than there are differences.

Not saying that MG is okay; because it's obviously is not. But both mechanics want you to perform an action which is not natural and give you a big advantage.

There's also the difference that RC was actually an intended addition to the game.

I know BW stated it's an intended addition to the game. I've been reading this forum since March, so I know about every little trick there is.

My point is: to RC you have to do something unnatural (after the click try to sidestep with a Turian for example). This does not feel right, period. If BW really want people to use RC, why isn't an action you have to perform with the same button/key? So hit reload for the second time at the right moment; you have RC'ed.

[Kenadian]

Parallax Demon wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

http://social.biowar...ex/4840984&lf=8


plz uninstall the game, and dont retry

Or you l2p without abusing cheap game mechanics. What is the use of a long reloadtime for a gun when everybody knows how to avoid it? If you want to shoot fast use the Piranha!

Saying you don't like it and don't use it yourself is entirely your perogative. But claiming it is an exploit and is equivalent to missile glitching is not only utterly false and wrong, you look stupid doing it. So stop. Please. Just stop. You're only hurting yourself.

Parallax Demon wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

Reload
Cancelling has nothing to do with skills what so ever! Everybody who is
making this claim are just afraid that BW actually does something about
it.

When you look how to RC, it's not something people would
normally do; so it looks like an exploit as Missile Glitching is (both
are ways to improve your DPS).

As a lot of the people defending
RC mechanics are the same hypocrites, who sang Hallejuja when the
Acolyte got it's charge back, I ask BW to remove RC, as good players
know how to use softcover to kill the time you can't use your precious
Claymore.

If you can wait for the Acolyte to charge up, you can also wait for the Claymore to be reloaded as intended.

Comparing reload cancelling to missile glitching? Seriously, dude?

The
only difference is that BW says it's okay to RC and it's not okay to
Missile Glitch. When you look how to RC and you look how to MG you'll
see more things in common than there are differences.

Not saying
that MG is okay; because it's obviously is not. But both mechanics want
you to perform an action which is not natural and give you a
big advantage.

There's also the difference that RC was actually an intended addition to the game.

I
know BW stated it's an intended addition to the game. I've been reading
this forum since March, so I know about every little trick there is.

My
point is: to RC you have to do something unnatural (after the click try
to sidestep with a Turian for example). This does not feel right,
period. If BW really want people to use RC, why isn't an action you have
to perform with the same button/key? So hit reload for the second time
at the right moment; you have RC'ed.

A valid point, maybe they'll add active reloads GoW-style to ME4. Until then, it's perfectly acceptable the way it is.

Modifié par Kenadian, 27 décembre 2012 - 10:25 .