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[Lady Galaga]

Clips7 wrote...

The collectors are a stiff challenge, but they don't feel cheap....if i lose to them, it's because i was careless or they're just tough...they are nothing like the geth tho...agggh...so amazingly cheap are the geth.

Pretty much. They feel overpowered compared to other factions at Gold/Plat. They have the full suite of offensive capabilities and I swear the AI and pathfinding/flanking were improved over the model the other factions use. If the devs wanted to bring them DOWN to parity with other factions, I say just get rid of their grenade ability (not the Scion's) since they already have plenty of methods to flush from cover AND almost have the forward fire capacity of the Geth. That and - for god's sake, reduce the health of Abominations or at least raise the health of husks. It shouldn't take two sniper shots on Silver to kill a walking unarmored zombie grenade.

[RGB]

Getting used to the cheapness isn't really the same thing as saying they aren't cheap or difficult. The Geth are incredibly cheap, but I can't remember the last time I failed to extract against them.

[ClockworkSpectre]

BryceH wrote...

Getting used to the cheapness isn't really the same thing as saying they aren't cheap or difficult. The Geth are incredibly cheap, but I can't remember the last time I failed to extract against them.

I like this answer.

Like the geth, the collectors can be dealt with once you get used to them.  That does not mean they are not cheap and/or broken.

[HinDae]

Collectors troll me.

Trying to level my Vanguard class to 20, hit R/R/S to boost exp reward, get Collectors almost every time.

And we all should know how badly Collectors treat power classes, damn Seeker Swarms...

[Kittstalkur]

Canned Madness wrote...

I never understood the whole collectors are OP thing in the first place.

I'd say it stems from how broken they are. Troopers and Captains have a similar melee interrupt to what Dragoons have going on, and their melee is strong enough to down most weaker characters in a combo. Praetorians have magnetic hand syndrome, even when you're behind them, and like to fire their eye lasers without fully turning around. Scions had to be nerfed because their attack is buggy and randomly doing 2x damage or something like that. And seeker swarms need to have their health quartered to be even close to being balanced.

They're nowhere near as bad as the Geth though.

[SlimJim0725]

Is it really that hard to avoid the Swarms/Plagues? I get hit by them maybe 3-5 times a game and when I do I just use my weapon. Also, the Scion cannon is pretty easy to side step each shot...

[dtrain24]

No secret they're the toughest faction. My friend and I can 2-team every other faction easily aside from the Collectors. They make us sweat it out.

[tatski]

I guess the reason why most players find the collectors the hardest hardest faction is because you need good weapons to fight them with ease on Gold+.. This can be rough if you're a newbie or a player that doesnt play much.. Other faction can easily be steam-rolled by a power oriented team. It can be tougher to do the same againts the Colectors because of their resistance to power combos(bug?), Additional health when possesed, and swarmers which prevents you from using your powers..

Modifié par tatski, 26 décembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[Sousabird]

Canned Madness wrote...

I never understood the whole collectors are OP thing in the first place.

[TheThirdSpectre]

Not that hard, 'tis just the Scions that annoy the hell out of me.

[darthxaher]

They are tough, keeps you on the run, sometimes a little cheap, but still they are better than Geth IMO.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

tatski wrote...

I guess the reason why most players find the collectors the hardest hardest faction is because you need good weapons to fight them with ease on Gold+.. This can be rough if you're a newbie or a player that doesnt play much.. Other faction can easily be steam-rolled by a power oriented team. It can be tougher to do the same againts the Colectors because of their resistance to power combos(bug?), Additional health when possesed, and swarmers which prevents you from using your powers..

I know the reason, and its really just people refusing to adapt to the way the faction is made. I reaslized from the 1st day I played against collectors that BW actually did something right and made a faction that required a team to think outside the box because they enemy actually had a solid strategy.

*Swarmers -stop casters... are you serious, SHOOT AND ...POWER THEM BEFORE THEY GET CLOSE
*Abominations - Shoot them in the head, use a power on them to "hault" them shot em in the head...
*Troopers- Heads are wider than the bodies... its hard to NOT get a headshot.
*Captains- These are the main enemy in collectors same for troopers, even better when they are giving swarmer birth.
*Scions- avoid getting shot, shot them in the head. They move slow and fire 3 shots... Add in cluster for Possesed
*Praetorians- DON"T USE POWERS WHEN THEY ARE AIRBORN. Endure the 1st lazer, shoot them in underbelly. DON"T LET THEM GET CLOSE. They are that easy.

Collectors are ment to BUST a newbies main gameplans up.

No camping
No ability spam
No "people not paying attention"

People who can't adjust to collectors usually have an issue with those 3 parts. I even at times get caught with the 3rd point.  Other than the occasional exploding swarmers (which people need to stop ignoring and concider them actuall enemies, I see it all the time in pugs) collectors are bread and butter faction.

People also need to learn, this is a team game, collectors WILL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE if your with a squad that can't synergize. Its that simple. Heres a simple gameplan.

*Have a big weapons guy, (GI-TGI-HumSoldier) be the main bossdropper Scion and Praetorians, Those classes can make great work of bosses and there are only 5 MAX of them on the map at any given time

*Have a Debuff(Warp, Tac Scan,Recon Mine) You need someone to weaken or a way to increase damage against foes. All squads should have 50% of a way to do this either through ammo or powers. Its that simple. And on more than 1 squadmate so if they go down, you still have debuff.

*Have a AoE (Biotic/Tech/Flame comboer, Grenader) every faction has Mooks, mooks get owned by Combos and greanades, its just that simple. Less things shooting at you, more you get to shoot back instead of hiding in cover.
(WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON WHY CASTERS BEING WEAK AGAINST COLLECTORS IS BULLCHYIT)

*Have a specialized class (Decoy, Drone,Shield Boost) Someone migitating damage to the team is a great way to survive objectives, keep the team firing back and alive in general. Volus vanguard is one of the best team supporters, Salarian Decoys also work well against captians and troopers, the meat firepower of collectors.

Also, PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION
Mooks are the main issue with collectors, swarmers and abominations are just as important, if not more than a trooper or captian. I see people prioritizing bosses over abominations, swarmers. Makes me wonder what is really going through their minds. If collectors were just praetorians and scions, (which when your done per wave you'll notice) they are barely a threat at all.

[DragonRacer]

Not that bad until you get a Wave 10 hack on Gold/Reactor. In that horrific place right next to the LZ (I consider it just as bad, if not worse, than the hack inside the reactor). With them spawning RIGHT THERE beside you. Constantly.

Yes, worse than the exact same scenario against Cerberus, Reapers, or Geth.

Complete team wipe with people who are not bad players. All our gels, all our rockets... didn't matter. T'was redonkulous.

Buuuut, I don't wipe very often, so I guess I can't complain too much. It also didn't completely freeze my PS3 like it wants to do 50% of the time Collectors/Gold happens now, so yay?

[Yate]

depends on the kit

I quit on wave 10 hack though

[Yate]

casters are fine against collectors unless you're stupid with swarms

my fury kicks ass

key to winning collectors is to outrun everything

[ParkBom]

Once you learn to prioritize enemies (Seeker swarms, Abominations, Captains, Troopers, Praetorians, Scions.) and take a good loadout (The easiest for me is Huntress with a Javelin and Warp Ammo.), they are a cakewalk.

[vGriMz]

At least they aren't on Platinum if you don't choose them.

I think Seeker Swarms are too powerful, and that possession happens too often.

[Felhand]

Have you ever seen a collector captain seize up, hunker down and crap out a swarm of flies? Thats reason enough for me to avoid them thanks.

[Computron2000]

I find collectors like geth, map dependent. On maps with a lot of cover like Reactor and Giant, Collectors are actually quite easy. I get the 5 waves survived rather commonly when soloing them on that map. On small maps like Glacier or open maps like Hydra, they are much more difficult. This is assuming people already know and do all the common anti-collector tactics llike lump shooting and flipping praetorians

The main thing is always have a balanced diet in gun and powers. A shadow specced into SS with a disciple should hug the nearest praetorian if collectors comes up in UUG to save themselves from the pain. The same SS shadow with a harrier is tedious but easily doable vs collectors. Of course there is always the cost in CDs

[jcamdenlane]

@mastah- relative, no, but that high point value for abombs, scions, and praets should work out for fewer units. Had no idea that the abombs had a higher wave value than the captains. 3 of them basically equal a praet? I hadn't seen the collector data, I'm going to play my next game against them differently. Thanks.

[DragonRacer]

vGriMz wrote...

At least they aren't on Platinum if you don't choose them.

I think Seeker Swarms are too powerful, and that possession happens too often.

Oh, there's no feeling quite as lovely as whittling down a Scion to one bar of health... and then he goes and gets possessed.

[ToLazy4Name]

Other than the fact that I play on the PS3 and fighting Collectors causes my system to freeze up 50% of the time, no, I do not find Collectors hard.

[U Bite My Pillow]

Collectors are not that hard. They are equil in difficulty as Cerberus, but harder than Geth or Reapers. Once you recognize their mannerisms you can predict what they are going to do. I myself have done this with Scions, if they are looking at you and raise that Krogan sized cannon at you run or take cover. Kits without a roll are the weakest kits to take aginst them. Debuff kits, anything with Warp, Cryo Blast, Tech Scan are invaluable.

[Docwagon1776]

It took me a bit to figure them out, but anything with rapid fire head shot capability rips through them. Doing some of the challenges, I took a Geth Infiltrator with a Geth SMG with heat sink and HVB, along with level 3 AP rounds, and just smoked through everything. Big heads on most of the enemies = easy headshots with a stable weapon, rapid fire rips through barriers, and the bonuses against armor combined with head shot bonuses make short work of most of the enemies.

[dtrain24]

darthxaher wrote...

They are tough, keeps you on the run, sometimes a little cheap, but still they are better than Geth IMO.

Not too sure about that, I've been able to solo Geth before.  I haven't tried Collectors but I don't think it'd go over very well, hahaha. 

But maybe it's our playing styles and strengths/weaknesses. But the Geth are definitely not a cakewalk.