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[NucularPikinic]

 Praetorians still cheat. And can be Possessed.

The other units are just overkill in how many useful tools that they have (looking at you, Scions/Possessed Collector Captains).

Combo damage is supposedly bugged against them but, rarely using combo powers against them anyway, I haven't really noticed anything. 

Still, they haven't been as bad as some people make them out to be.

[CNevarezN]

Nah, they're not hard. All depends on how you go about dealin wth em really.

[Titus Thongger]

challenging. they mix things up a little and force me to be a little more on the ball.

but with a good team they die just like everything else

[DHKany]

poonts wrote...

another collectors are hard/cheap thread...

thread title begs to differ.

[keystpwned]

I would say they are nearly twice as difficult as the other enemy factions. A Gold Collector match is like playing a Cerb/Geth Platinum.

[Janus382]

Honestly, they're my favorite faction to play against on Gold, and give me the least trouble.

That's not to say there's nothing I find aggravating about them (swarm health, praetorian lasers, teammates+abominations, etc)... but overall, they provide a fun and fast-paced game for me.

Reapers are close to as easy least difficult (lolbrutes), but Ravagers and I have a long-standing feud going on.

Modifié par Janus382, 27 décembre 2012 - 04:18 .

[avenging_teabag]

MastahDisastah wrote...

avenging_teabag wrote...

I don't mind Collectors - both Cerberus and Geth are harder then them, imo, because Phantoms and Hunters are both really frustrating to play against. Once I got used to them, Collectors are not that hard, even for power classes - just kill swarms first, and you're fine. Once the devs restore the combo damage to its intended level, Collectors will be cake.

Except that killing swarmers will take more time than killing hunters...
The problem with collectors is not the difficulty per se, but the reward.
If I have to choose between the same Xp and credits I'd obviously pick the easiest one.
To maintain diversity and the "challenge" factor Bioware should address the collector main issues (bug and swarms) and buff the xp of the whole faction (with a difference between normal and possessed ones) to match their real strenght.

Would you be pleased if Bioware added a third banshee on wave 9 and 10 with no additional reward?
Or a fifth phantom...or another prime (again)?

No, I wouldn't be. You are absolutely right, Collectors are tougher by numbers than the other factions, it's just my personal opinion that they are easier and more fun to play against than Geth, and Cerberus too. That's just how I feel. Seeker plagues probably do need a HP reduction, and possessed abominations too, and of course, combo damage needs to be fixed(how did they even let something like that get by their playtesters?), but... they're my second favorite enemy to fight (on gold) after reapers. Again, my opinion.

Modifié par avenging_teabag, 27 décembre 2012 - 06:51 .

[Psycho Pisces]

If I'm playing gold, I prefer to play against the collectors.. I'm enjoying the Huntress/harrier kite strategy greatly against them. I find them lots of fun, its the difficulty in finding good teams that drives ME nuts.

With a good group of players there is no problem at all, with a bunch of rambo's screwing up spawn zones, BE's, or purposely getting in your way so you can't move... You just want to tear out your hair.

[poonts]

DHKany wrote...

poonts wrote...

another collectors are hard/cheap thread...

thread title begs to differ.

the content of the thread =/= the title

[poonts]

double post glitch

Modifié par poonts, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:06 .

[avenging_teabag]

Psycho Pisces wrote...

If I'm playing gold, I prefer to play against the collectors.. I'm enjoying the Huntress/harrier kite strategy greatly against them. I find them lots of fun, its the difficulty in finding good teams that drives ME nuts.

With a good group of players there is no problem at all, with a bunch of rambo's screwing up spawn zones, BE's, or purposely getting in your way so you can't move... You just want to tear out your hair.

That is true for any other faction as well.

Modifié par avenging_teabag, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[WilliamYZFR1]

keystpwned wrote...

I would say they are nearly twice as difficult as the other enemy factions. A Gold Collector match is like playing a Cerb/Geth Platinum.

I was going for the 25 Gold extractions challenge and  number 25 was Collectors. I was convinced it would end in failure (as many other Gold matches I played in had) but with three great team mates I somehow managed to extract.

[jack775544]

I rarely play collectors mainly because PuG's always panic on wave 6 against them. People haven't worked out that you are allowed run away from he drone you are meant to be escorting when there are a couple of praetorians bearing down on you.

However there are some reasons why i don't like playing them
Scion cannon damage
Praetorian shooting though walls and in the opposite direction in which they are facing.
Seeker health

[lightswitch]

DHKany wrote...


I went along with the collector being OP craze for a moment, but after I played them again they didn't even seem that hard. 
Admittedtly, there are some BS moments with them (especially with Collector captains and scions) but I find them fun to play. 

They're the easiest faction to play against. The only thing that makes them difficult at all is that every single unit they have absorbs damage like a mofo. Being able to soak up bullets just means they take a little longer though, doesn't make them harder.

[PR PistonRage]

They are quite easy if you have a Huntress with Warp ammo. Or any character with either reave, warp or dark channel I guess, but she is my favourate. It still annoys me when my Krogans shields are destroyed in one Scion shot though. As far as I can recall, nothing else can do this and I thought they had supposed to changed this so they did less damage. I haven't seen the difference but still if you keep your eyes open and manage your flanks they are beatable without having to exhaust all you consumables.

[Catastrophy]

I never thought they were OP, just a tad more challenging. But I really hate the superhusks and bees when playing certain classes. Superhusks are worse than bees - I totally suck hitting them with SRs.

God, I even ran away the last few times I played a sniper.

[Vubica]

I enjoy fighting the collectors, my fav enemy type by far, varied and interesting challenging but not stupid, I dislike reapers for example cuz of banshees, there is nothing hard in killing one, it just takes time and is boring, if u do die by em its cuz of an accident more than the danger they pose, or lag/grab issues...

[Vubica]

dr_random wrote...

I never thought they were OP, just a tad more challenging. But I really hate the superhusks and bees when playing certain classes. Superhusks are worse than bees - I totally suck hitting them with SRs.

God, I even ran away the last few times I played a sniper.

True, I just run the N7 Soldier when im up against them, the hawx missle(while not a ideal thing to take) Makes short work of abominations seeker swarms, if the team locks the map down well they become a non issue

[Catastrophy]

Vubica wrote...

dr_random wrote...

I never thought they were OP, just a tad more challenging. But I really hate the superhusks and bees when playing certain classes. Superhusks are worse than bees - I totally suck hitting them with SRs.

God, I even ran away the last few times I played a sniper.

True, I just run the N7 Soldier when im up against them, the hawx missle(while not a ideal thing to take) Makes short work of abominations seeker swarms, if the team locks the map down well they become a non issue

I PuG, so I always am in for some bad surprise when it comes to:
Condor (short-range shotgun equipped and ready),
Glacier (clunky 1-shot rifle reporting in)
Collectors (Would you stand still, dammit - and why do my powers suck so bad?)

If you setup a match (location, opponent and kit) and coordinate with friends it mostly becomes easy. 

But for the people who are frustrated by Collectors:
Pick a class that can deal with them easily. I suggest something related to a Typhoon and mow them all down. Like Heavy in TF2.
Or shoot all their heads - I can do it well with unscoped things - no need for SRs and it's very satisfying to pop those big juicy heads.

Modifié par dr_random, 27 décembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[White Flag]

Maybe they aren't OP, but I'd still take Reapers Gold over Collectors Silver any day.

[DHKany]

poonts wrote...

DHKany wrote...

poonts wrote...

another collectors are hard/cheap thread...

thread title begs to differ.

the content of the thread =/= the title

the way you wrote that made it seem like you were just reading the title(albeit incorrectly) and then writing stuff. My bad.

[tatski]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

tatski wrote...

I guess the reason why most players find the collectors the hardest hardest faction is because you need good weapons to fight them with ease on Gold+.. This can be rough if you're a newbie or a player that doesnt play much.. Other faction can easily be steam-rolled by a power oriented team. It can be tougher to do the same againts the Colectors because of their resistance to power combos(bug?), Additional health when possesed, and swarmers which prevents you from using your powers..

I know the reason, and its really just people refusing to adapt to the way the faction is made. I reaslized from the 1st day I played against collectors that BW actually did something right and made a faction that required a team to think outside the box because they enemy actually had a solid strategy.

*Swarmers -stop casters... are you serious, SHOOT AND ...POWER THEM BEFORE THEY GET CLOSE
*Abominations - Shoot them in the head, use a power on them to "hault" them shot em in the head...
*Troopers- Heads are wider than the bodies... its hard to NOT get a headshot.
*Captains- These are the main enemy in collectors same for troopers, even better when they are giving swarmer birth.
*Scions- avoid getting shot, shot them in the head. They move slow and fire 3 shots... Add in cluster for Possesed
*Praetorians- DON"T USE POWERS WHEN THEY ARE AIRBORN. Endure the 1st lazer, shoot them in underbelly. DON"T LET THEM GET CLOSE. They are that easy.

Collectors are ment to BUST a newbies main gameplans up.

No camping
No ability spam
No "people not paying attention"

People who can't adjust to collectors usually have an issue with those 3 parts. I even at times get caught with the 3rd point.  Other than the occasional exploding swarmers (which people need to stop ignoring and concider them actuall enemies, I see it all the time in pugs) collectors are bread and butter faction.

People also need to learn, this is a team game, collectors WILL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE if your with a squad that can't synergize. Its that simple. Heres a simple gameplan.

*Have a big weapons guy, (GI-TGI-HumSoldier) be the main bossdropper Scion and Praetorians, Those classes can make great work of bosses and there are only 5 MAX of them on the map at any given time

*Have a Debuff(Warp, Tac Scan,Recon Mine) You need someone to weaken or a way to increase damage against foes. All squads should have 50% of a way to do this either through ammo or powers. Its that simple. And on more than 1 squadmate so if they go down, you still have debuff.

*Have a AoE (Biotic/Tech/Flame comboer, Grenader) every faction has Mooks, mooks get owned by Combos and greanades, its just that simple. Less things shooting at you, more you get to shoot back instead of hiding in cover.
(WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON WHY CASTERS BEING WEAK AGAINST COLLECTORS IS BULLCHYIT)

*Have a specialized class (Decoy, Drone,Shield Boost) Someone migitating damage to the team is a great way to survive objectives, keep the team firing back and alive in general. Volus vanguard is one of the best team supporters, Salarian Decoys also work well against captians and troopers, the meat firepower of collectors.

Also, PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION
Mooks are the main issue with collectors, swarmers and abominations are just as important, if not more than a trooper or captian. I see people prioritizing bosses over abominations, swarmers. Makes me wonder what is really going through their minds. If collectors were just praetorians and scions, (which when your done per wave you'll notice) they are barely a threat at all.

I'm not having a hard time with them but I still think that they're still the toughest faction, If you compare them to the others..
It would require more effort from casters to put them down because of their innate resistance... It's just that when I'm playing U/U/G on PUGs I always use up more consumables against them than with other factions. I've been recently playing pugs exclusively since most of my friends stopped playing and it's impossible to get an organized team on PUGs.. The fact that the Collectors requires that much attention(based on your opinion) makes them the "hardest" enemy to beat. I still think high dps weapons are the easiest way to beat them regardless of what class you use..  If a player/team is farming for credits or a player is short on equipments and consumables or a player is just starting to fill his rares, fighting the collectors might not be the best opponent fight... 

Modifié par tatski, 27 décembre 2012 - 02:18 .

[Ronnie Blastoff]

tatski wrote...


I'm not having a hard time with them but I still think that they're still the toughest faction, If you compare them to the others..
It would require more effort from casters to put them down because of their innate resistance... It's just that when I'm playing U/U/G on PUGs I always use up more consumables against them than with other factions. I've been recently playing pugs exclusively since most of my friends stopped playing and it's impossible to get an organized team on PUGs.. The fact that the Collectors requires that much attention(based on your opinion) makes them the "hardest" enemy to beat. I still think high dps weapons are the easiest way to beat them regardless of what class you use..  If a player/team is farming for credits or a player is short on equipments and consumables or a player is just starting to fill his rares, fighting the collectors might not be the best opponent fight... 

As said before my favorite classes to use agains collectors are biotics. 33% or not, a biotic explosions are easy and can come often enough to make the collectors just as easy as any other faction. Lower damage doesn't mean useless damage, and most biotic explosions "R12" still wipe out everything but scions and praetorians.

PUGs are hard to work with no matter the faction. Thats where actuall experience in play comes forth and where you have to take the step up and synergize a teamate, or your entire squad. If Im game for a pub game, (rarely) I always look for how the team is going to work out based on loadouts/classes/ and what classes will work with mine. It takes less than 2 seconds. If the faction/location are selected it makes it easier.

Collectors also don't require any "more" attention than geth, or reapers, as said above though. The "average players" playstyle is what the collectors were built to work against. (Camping, crowding up, power spam) People who normalize these strategies are the ones who are getting their lips busted. This can easily be proven with "hack" objectives. Your placed in one spot, (camping) usually close together (crowded up) and in that position, swarmers, cluster grenades, abominations, and praetorians are most leathal.

Collectors aren't cheap, they are DESIGNED TO STOP EASY NOOBIE WINS. The best way to do that, work with your squad, (hard to do in pugs i know, but thats where pregame preperation starts to become more important than just, hit the lobby and ready up, without equipment or a gameplan) I love what the collectors are doing, sometimes annoying, but its really the actual "bugs" that annoy me rather than the enemies counterstrike.

[codsquallic]

I enjoy them the most for Gold matches, although it depends partly on which character I'm playing as.

[INFINITY650]

I don't but they can be annoying depending on what I am playing. Also what my team mates are playing. Sometimes I think the players see Collectors and just wig out.