The units themselves are not over powered other than abominations,. the most over overppowere unit in the game. the thing that makes the collectors harder than all else, is the brutal distance weapons and the fact that the moment one boss unit is killed another appears in firing range almost instantly.
You can deal with this on non objective rounds but on objectives and the landing zone the respawns are unfair.
Anyone else find Collectors.... Not that hard?
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#127
Posté 27 décembre 2012 - 09:58
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Casters beware. Collectors are a friggen nightmare!
If you do not depend on powers and cooldowns, bash away!
If you do not depend on powers and cooldowns, bash away!
#128
Posté 27 décembre 2012 - 10:26
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Obviously depends on the class, but I don't find Collectors to be a tough as people make them out to be. I only struggle with them as Vanguards and Adepts. That being said, device objectives suck against them.
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#129
Posté 27 décembre 2012 - 10:45
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I can only speak from my own standpoint as a gold player, as I play very little silver or platinum.
They aren't so bad if you're playing a weapons platform, but they are a nightmare if you're playing a power dependent class, especially since they don't take proper damage from detonations. The seeker swarms have way too much health. Plagues not only have barriers, but also have more health than any other collector enemy with heath, and they are a summon ffs. Even the geth aren't this unfair to power users.
Imo they need to be brought in line with the difficulty settings of the other factions. That's what selectable difficulty levels are for. I strongly disagree with the idea that there should be a large variance in difficulty from one faction to another within the same difficulty setting.
My 2¢
They aren't so bad if you're playing a weapons platform, but they are a nightmare if you're playing a power dependent class, especially since they don't take proper damage from detonations. The seeker swarms have way too much health. Plagues not only have barriers, but also have more health than any other collector enemy with heath, and they are a summon ffs. Even the geth aren't this unfair to power users.
Imo they need to be brought in line with the difficulty settings of the other factions. That's what selectable difficulty levels are for. I strongly disagree with the idea that there should be a large variance in difficulty from one faction to another within the same difficulty setting.
My 2¢
#130
Posté 27 décembre 2012 - 10:53
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They're fairly easy if you know how to stay out of their grenade+abomination+laser trap.
#131
Posté 27 décembre 2012 - 11:09
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I was the first person to post anything on Collectors (youtu.be/Vke4jduuRKg ) day one and also created video guides on defeating them and I can tell you..... Collectors are definitely doable but they do have some aspects about them that are OP. I only have issues with the Praetorians and the abominations.
The Praetorians are way too fast and their lasers shoot through all cover even if you are in full cover. I have had my shields/barriers drop one too many times because of this. They put up their protective bubble up way too many times (even though its predictable at times since they put it up when they hover mostly) and the only classes that are most effective against them are high DPS classes due to their massive amounts of armor.
The abominations (not the possessed ones) have damage over time effect. Why??? They already explode and although it is not a lot it can be the final thing that kills you while a swarm comes around you to explode on you and also take your health and shields away.
Mind you I play mostly on Platinum and the random Gold but they seem to be very OP at the higher levels. I have tried Collectors silver and Bronze a few times for testing and they seem fine there but on Gold and Platinum they are just not fun to play against.
The Praetorians are way too fast and their lasers shoot through all cover even if you are in full cover. I have had my shields/barriers drop one too many times because of this. They put up their protective bubble up way too many times (even though its predictable at times since they put it up when they hover mostly) and the only classes that are most effective against them are high DPS classes due to their massive amounts of armor.
The abominations (not the possessed ones) have damage over time effect. Why??? They already explode and although it is not a lot it can be the final thing that kills you while a swarm comes around you to explode on you and also take your health and shields away.
Mind you I play mostly on Platinum and the random Gold but they seem to be very OP at the higher levels. I have tried Collectors silver and Bronze a few times for testing and they seem fine there but on Gold and Platinum they are just not fun to play against.
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#132
Posté 27 décembre 2012 - 11:14
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I will say that my first experience against the collectors went very easy. I was a batarian soldier with reegar, and.. didn't have a problem. I have in subsequent matches, and I think the only thing that makes collectors difficult (besides some units or situations i.e. 3 scions grenading you as you med-gel then taking you down with their 3 shot stagger town combo) is the effect it has on pugs.
Mostly, I don't find collectors trouble, but since I pug it almost exclusively, when you lose 1-2 people at the start of a wave due to silent instakilling praetorians, insta stomping captains/troopers, or possessed aboms wiping out 3 people in one go... it makes them difficult.
But I love their large heads and the scions blowing off their sacks. But, should you end up close range with one scion (dancing in and out so as not to have him use his range attack) and there's another scion, or two, or a praetorian that comes in.. you're pretty much boned.
Mostly, I don't find collectors trouble, but since I pug it almost exclusively, when you lose 1-2 people at the start of a wave due to silent instakilling praetorians, insta stomping captains/troopers, or possessed aboms wiping out 3 people in one go... it makes them difficult.
But I love their large heads and the scions blowing off their sacks. But, should you end up close range with one scion (dancing in and out so as not to have him use his range attack) and there's another scion, or two, or a praetorian that comes in.. you're pretty much boned.
#133
Posté 28 décembre 2012 - 02:51
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Several times more HP than other factions, Praetorians spam their melee attack for a perma-stun on virtually any character, Possessed Scions spam billions of grenades and their OP cannon. The faction isn't broken, just stupidly harder than the other factions due to various cheap tricks, bullet sponge possessed HP levels, and spamming really powerful attacks.
#134
Posté 28 décembre 2012 - 03:03
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I always find it's strange when people say that they can win a game vs collectors, thus they're balanced faction without overpowered/cheap features.
#135
Posté 28 décembre 2012 - 03:26
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Collectors are quite challenging. Bioware builds them up as the quote/unquote "Sentinels" of the enemy factions; Good at everything, but masters of nothing.
To that end, I must disagree. Collectors (or at least the bosses) can have a huge advantage at range should two Possessed Scions get together, and Praetorian laser-eyes are capable of piercing through cover that they have no right to pierce through, a.k.a. SOLID WALLS.
There's also that little tidbit where THEY CAN CAUSE THE GAME TO FREEZE FOR ALL PLAYERS, at least on the higher difficulties. Needs to be fixed at BioWare's earliest convenience.
Collectors can be outright annoying, but as long as you keep moving along so you don't get trapped or cooldown-locked, it's not too bad, I suppose. They're still pretty difficult, though.
To that end, I must disagree. Collectors (or at least the bosses) can have a huge advantage at range should two Possessed Scions get together, and Praetorian laser-eyes are capable of piercing through cover that they have no right to pierce through, a.k.a. SOLID WALLS.
There's also that little tidbit where THEY CAN CAUSE THE GAME TO FREEZE FOR ALL PLAYERS, at least on the higher difficulties. Needs to be fixed at BioWare's earliest convenience.
Collectors can be outright annoying, but as long as you keep moving along so you don't get trapped or cooldown-locked, it's not too bad, I suppose. They're still pretty difficult, though.
#136
Posté 28 décembre 2012 - 03:34
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everything about collectors is big.
their troopers have fhuge heads.
scions have 2 weak points
praetorians are massive.
easy prey
their troopers have fhuge heads.
scions have 2 weak points
praetorians are massive.
easy prey
#137
Posté 28 décembre 2012 - 03:46
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Titus Thongger wrote...
everything about collectors is big.
their troopers have fhuge heads.
scions have 2 weak points
praetorians are massive.
easy prey
For weapon classes, which is entirely the problem.
#138
Posté 28 décembre 2012 - 03:53
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Yes they need to rework the collectors big time.
I say get rid of the swarmers & abomintations and just add more troop style
collector untis. These poor guys can barely put up a good fire fight do to there
lack of troops and weapon load outs for them. Now dont get me wrong the
collectors strength lies in there bosses for the most part, Possessed Scion &
Preatorians are armor wise the toughest bosses in the game as well as applying
a nice variety of attack. But still the collectors overall faction as a whole isnt up to
par for providing a real dynamic conforntation.
I say get rid of the swarmers & abomintations and just add more troop style
collector untis. These poor guys can barely put up a good fire fight do to there
lack of troops and weapon load outs for them. Now dont get me wrong the
collectors strength lies in there bosses for the most part, Possessed Scion &
Preatorians are armor wise the toughest bosses in the game as well as applying
a nice variety of attack. But still the collectors overall faction as a whole isnt up to
par for providing a real dynamic conforntation.
Modifié par GAMEofDEATH-PS3, 28 décembre 2012 - 03:53 .
