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[Sunnyhat1]

No this is not another hate-thread, I just still can't wrap my head around this. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

I do not believe in IT. It's simply too much planning (ahead). I don't give BW THAT much credit.

Still, i also cannot believe that shep survives destroy and wakes up under a pile of rubble. It's impossible. There is no ending where shep should be more dead than destroy. He's at the center of an explosion and not even his implants could (magically) heal him because aren't they supposed to be vaporized aswell? He should be raining down on earth in little pieces if he really was there.

The only way the breathing makes ANY sense would be if he never went to the citadel. He was hit by harbingers beam (or nearly) and fell unconcious.

Then the catalyst somehow communicates with sheppard and the whole dreamy, decision thing happens.

After you make your choice sheps conscience is either transfered into the reapers (control), fused with the machines (synth) or returns to his body (destroy).

Doesn't that mean one breathing scene is missing? If you choose synth it should happen aswell. And shep should have a nice greenish glow!?

In any case i don't see how shep ever left earth in any of the endings. The breath only makes sense if he didn't, regardless of choice.

What do you think?


PS: I haven't factored EC in.

Modifié par Sunnyhat1, 26 décembre 2012 - 08:08 .

[Rifneno]

Good luck with that. The breath scene is simply ridiculous without IT.

[LucasShark]

The breath scene is exactly the same thing as done in X-Men 3 (a terrible movie by the way), it is a shallow attempt to keep the door open for sequels incase the money cow isn't dead yet. Does it make sense? No, does that matter from the executives' perspective? Also no.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

It's pretty simple. Shepard wakes up in some rubble on the Citadel.

[Sunnyhat1]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

It's pretty simple. Shepard wakes up in some rubble on the Citadel.

Yeah thats the first impression. But it makes even less sense. He just shouldn't have survived. Even if his body wasn't pulverized, his implants should be gone. He should be dead!?

And that's not even talking about air, etc.

[LucasShark]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

It's pretty simple. Shepard wakes up in some rubble on the Citadel.

Yeah thats the first impression. But it makes even less sense. He just shouldn't have survived. Even if his body wasn't pulverized, his implants should be gone. He should be dead!?

And that's not even talking about air, etc.

Or the fact that the bit of the tower apparently housing the crucible would have been destroyed... or the fact that you wouldn't "fall" from the tower into the wards or presidium since the gravity in the citadel is generated by rotation and it goes on and on...

[Sunnyhat1]

LucasShark wrote...

The breath scene is exactly the same thing as done in X-Men 3 (a terrible movie by the way), it is a shallow attempt to keep the door open for sequels incase the money cow isn't dead yet. Does it make sense? No, does that matter from the executives' perspective? Also no.

I'm afraid you might be right.

It's a shame, i'm really trying to like this ending (now) but i can't even "get" it. -.-

[Clayless]

He didn't, he's dead, that was his dying breath.

[Morty Smith]

You fools, He is neither. He walked right on the set of the goty 2012.

[Rifneno]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

It's pretty simple. Shepard wakes up in some rubble on the Citadel.

Yeah thats the first impression. But it makes even less sense. He just shouldn't have survived. Even if his body wasn't pulverized, his implants should be gone. He should be dead!?

And that's not even talking about air, etc.

Hell, Shepard would be gone.  Completely vaporized.  There wouldn't even be ashes left.



The Presidium Ring is 10km wide.  It is completely engulfed by the explosion.  This is an explosion measured in megatons.  Hiroshima was about 15 kilotons for reference sake.  No one survives that unless their only vulnerability is kryptonite.  The common defense is "but if it's that powerful, how come the Citadel itself stays in-tact?"  Because the Citadel's basic structure is quantum shielded, like the mass relays.  Hydrogen bombs wouldn't even do much damage.  And yet, the Citadel itself still took massive damage.  Which further illustrates the incredible power of this explosion.  This explosion that Shepard survive at ground zero.

No.  The breath scene is hilariously stupid with literal interpretation.  It's either IT, or BW forgot how science works.

[Codename_Code]

The breath scene is the worst nightmare of literalists. They know shepard is alive, waking up in london, and it is only triggered by the correct choice : destroy.

[In Exile]

Rifneno wrote...
No.  The breath scene is hilariously stupid with literal interpretation.  It's either IT, or BW forgot how science works.

Given that the entire game is based on a neutron with magic powers (element zero) I'm pretty sure science wasn't ever part of the equation. 

[Sunnyhat1]

Codename_Code wrote...

The breath scene is the worst nightmare of literalists. They know shepard is alive, waking up in london, and it is only triggered by the correct choice : destroy.

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

He didn't, he's dead, that was his dying breath.

See i'm not saying i want sheppard alive. As pointed out above it seems impossible. If it was his dying breath, ok.  But it doesn't solve the mystery. He still does that one breath, his body seems intact and the rubble doesnt really ressemble the citadel imho.

Modifié par Sunnyhat1, 26 décembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[Rifneno]

In Exile wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
No.  The breath scene is hilariously stupid with literal interpretation.  It's either IT, or BW forgot how science works.

Given that the entire game is based on a neutron with magic powers (element zero) I'm pretty sure science wasn't ever part of the equation. 

Yes, because some form of fictional FTL travel isn't absolutely required for any sci-fi where you leave the Sol system.  </sarcasm>

BW has traditionally been very good with the science in Mass Effect.  It just goes over most people's heads because they know jack **** about astronomy, let alone things like quantum entanglement and ferrofluids.

[In Exile]

Rifneno wrote...

Yes, because some form of fictional FTL travel isn't absolutely required for any sci-fi where you leave the Sol system.  </sarcasm> 

BW has traditionally been very good with the science in Mass Effect.  

No, they haven't been. I joked about the neutron, but they've been absolutely showing the middle finger to biology and cognitive science since day one. Their representation of AI? Garbage. Their take on the quarians? Middle finger to immunology. Most of the discussion of genetic diversity in ME2? Nonsense.  

More importantly, I wasn't mocking mass effect fields. I was mocking biotics. That's just space wizardy. 

[Tomwew]

hmmm hit by a reaper lazor shot twice, walked into an exploding tube which he was told will destroy the synthetic implants that brought him back to life takes a thermo-nuclear sized explosion that decimates a 42 km shielded super structure and survives as long as long as i have enough n7 ground troops helping out?
seems legit.

[Sunnyhat1]

Tomwew wrote...

hmmm hit by a reaper lazor shot twice, walked into an exploding tube which he was told will destroy the synthetic implants that brought him back to life takes a thermo-nuclear sized explosion that decimates a 42 km shielded super structure and survives as long as long as i have enough n7 ground troops helping out?
seems legit.

lol that made me laugh.

Maybe space magic is the answer ... biotic shield like in ME2? If it's powerfull enough?

But then who would/could generate it and why? The catalyst? Why would he?
There's a story inconsistency here. The science is just the icing.

Modifié par Sunnyhat1, 26 décembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Trying to apply logic to something that is illogical? Good luck.

But seriously, he's dead. Giant explosions tend to do that.

[dorktainian]

because he's on the ground on earth in front of the beam mechanism? or he's stuck in a collapsed building in vancover during the reaper invasion? or it's not shepard? Or he's been magically resurrected by a mystical elf?

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

In Exile wrote...


No, they haven't been. I joked about the neutron, but they've been absolutely showing the middle finger to biology and cognitive science since day one. Their representation of AI? Garbage. Their take on the quarians? Middle finger to immunology. Most of the discussion of genetic diversity in ME2? Nonsense.  

More importantly, I wasn't mocking mass effect fields. I was mocking biotics. That's just space wizardy. 

I've seen you post the AI comment before. Could you please explain why? I'm just curious, not trying to criticize.

As for the ending - OP, it's just a mess that's meant to be interpreted on an individual level without adhering to one "actual" idea. Come up with your own space magic explanation as to why he lived or what happened next. That's really what Bioware decided to do - the breath scene is a narrative cop out.

Modifié par PKchu, 26 décembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[chemiclord]

Simply put... Bioware wanted Shepard's life (and story) to end with ME3. That's why in every single ending, his fate is fairly concrete.

But somewhere in the process, someone (correctly) noted that doing so would incite a riot among the fanbase. So they tried to squeeze in one little Easter Egg at the end of one of the harder endings to achieve in the hope that it would sate the RPG purists who didn't want "their Shepard" to die.

It didn't work.

[Sunnyhat1]

PKchu wrote...
As for the ending - OP, it's just a mess that's meant to be interpreted on an individual level without adhering to one "actual" idea. Come up with your own space magic explanation as to why he lived or what happened next. That's really what Bioware decided to do - the breath scene is a narrative cop out.

Well that's just sad.

Anyway thanks for all the answers. I'm gonna go shoot some geth. Least MP is still fun.

[Tomwew]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

PKchu wrote...
As for the ending - OP, it's just a mess that's meant to be interpreted on an individual level without adhering to one "actual" idea. Come up with your own space magic explanation as to why he lived or what happened next. That's really what Bioware decided to do - the breath scene is a narrative cop out.

Well that's just sad.

Anyway thanks for all the answers. I'm gonna go shoot some geth. Least MP is still fun.

you read my mind! see you on the battlefield op i'll be the salarian r***** errrrrrthing.

[DeinonSlayer]

inb4 MEHEM