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[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

of course the ones responsible should be punished, but the asari government has proven to be untrustworthy and corrupt to the point of costing billions of lives, this will be made public and the asari as a governmental force in the galaxy will have to have their powers severely diminished until the full extent of the corruption can be routed out. after an extensive investigation and trials they may regain their seat after a vote by the collective races of the galaxy.

No. I will not allow this to happen. Should this be exposed, which I believe I can stop anyway, it'll be swept under the rug as swiftly as possible; the asari government is too valuable.

Becaus they are superior to us lesser beings?

[Xilizhra]

Becaus they are superior to us lesser beings?

They're a necessary counterbalance to salarian subversion, turian militarism and human aggression.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Becaus they are superior to us lesser beings?

They're a necessary counterbalance to salarian subversion, turian militarism and human aggression.

Because they've done such a great job of it?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Becaus they are superior to us lesser beings?

They're a necessary counterbalance to salarian subversion, turian militarism and human aggression.

Because they've done such a great job of it?

Outstandingly so. The one major mistake was not acting with sufficient haste during the Reaper war.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Xilizhra wrote...

While three of the other participants here seem to lack the capacity for serious discussion, I believe you can do better, DeinonSlayer.

You're not a whole lot better cupcake. You're a very pushy know it all yourself. Moreover you go irate at the ME1 renegade ending for it's authoritarian bent but support control? Hypocrite. At least the galaxy passively consents to a human council.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 27 décembre 2012 - 08:26 .

[Tomwew]

Xilizhra wrote...

Becaus they are superior to us lesser beings?

They're a necessary counterbalance to salarian subversion, turian militarism and human aggression.

political positioning and 'proper' distribution of power is more important than the truth?
the s*** will hit the fan but that's the price of freedom of speech, we take the good with the bad and trust ourselves to sort it out, when you start relying on lies, propaganda, subverting the truth, controlling the populace 'for their own good', and conspiracies you're headed down a very dangerous road.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Becaus they are superior to us lesser beings?

They're a necessary counterbalance to salarian subversion, turian militarism and human aggression.

Because they've done such a great job of it?

Outstandingly so. The one major mistake was not acting with sufficient haste during the Reaper war.

. The let the Turians duke it out with humanity, their solution to the Rachni was to let the Salarians deal wi it, for the Krogan rebellions they let the Turians deal with it.  They ignored the Collector attacks on humanity.  They were content to let the quarians be butchered by the geth.

realky the Asari are entirely useless

[Xilizhra]

political positioning and 'proper' distribution of power is more important than the truth?

Truth is not an inherent virtue, and not all truths necessarily need to be known by everyone. classified information.

the s*** will hit the fan but that's the price of freedom of speech, we take the good with the bad and trust ourselves to sort it out, when you start relying on lies, propaganda, subverting the truth, controlling the populace 'for their own good', and conspiracies you're headed down a very dangerous road.

Freedom of speech has always had its limits. And if the secret does leak, I won't stop people from repeating it, I'll just make sure to keep the system stable. Any fallout upon the asari race as a whole would be grievously unfair.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Rifneno wrote...


If this is her paragon, imagine the renegade.  Must make Harbinger seem like a philanthropist.

The worst regimes in the world were driven by utopian visons of society. Tens of millions dead in the name of "good".

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 27 décembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[Tomwew]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Becaus they are superior to us lesser beings?

They're a necessary counterbalance to salarian subversion, turian militarism and human aggression.

Because they've done such a great job of it?

Outstandingly so. The one major mistake was not acting with sufficient haste during the Reaper war.

. The let the Turians duke it out with humanity, their solution to the Rachni was to let the Salarians deal wi it, for the Krogan rebellions they let the Turians deal with it.  They ignored the Collector attacks on humanity.  They were content to let the quarians be butchered by the geth.

realky the Asari are entirely useless

if they hadn't found the citadel first and had magic in their blood, i really don't see them having a council seat. hoarding prothean tech was their way of staying ahead technologically because they brought nothing else to the table.

[Xilizhra]

. The let the Turians duke it out with humanity, their solution to the Rachni was to let the Salarians deal wi it, for the Krogan rebellions they let the Turians deal with it. They ignored the Collector attacks on humanity. They were content to let the quarians be butchered by the geth.

They stopped the First Contact War, and as for the others, they're not military specialists; they helped out when they could. They specialize in culture and economy, and do tremendously well at both; it's just "softer" because it's less dramatic and talked about less, but it's very far from useless.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

. The let the Turians duke it out with humanity, their solution to the Rachni was to let the Salarians deal wi it, for the Krogan rebellions they let the Turians deal with it. They ignored the Collector attacks on humanity. They were content to let the quarians be butchered by the geth.

They stopped the First Contact War, and as for the others, they're not military specialists; they helped out when they could. They specialize in culture and economy, and do tremendously well at both; it's just "softer" because it's less dramatic and talked about less, but it's very far from useless.

They aren't military specialists, they can't fight worth crap.  Their "culture" is worthless.  It has given the galaxy nothing.  Except foot dragging.

[Tomwew]

Xilizhra wrote...

political positioning and 'proper' distribution of power is more important than the truth?

Truth is not an inherent virtue, and not all truths necessarily need to be known by everyone. classified information.

the s*** will hit the fan but that's the price of freedom of speech, we take the good with the bad and trust ourselves to sort it out, when you start relying on lies, propaganda, subverting the truth, controlling the populace 'for their own good', and conspiracies you're headed down a very dangerous road.

Freedom of speech has always had its limits. And if the secret does leak, I won't stop people from repeating it, I'll just make sure to keep the system stable. Any fallout upon the asari race as a whole would be grievously unfair.

then this is where our idea of morality diverge, truth is a virtue, classified information exists as a response to hidden threats and a means to deal with secret plots. in other words, lies beget more lies, for a paragon shepard the response is to let the truth be known and trust the galaxy at large to do the right thing. the renegade response is to lie and subvert facts to avoid a fuss.

freedom of speech, by its definition has no limits. this is true in theory, if, unfortunately not in practice. your proposed action in controlling this information is getting softer by the post. no more collector cops?

[Xilizhra]

then this is where our idea of morality diverge, truth is a virtue, classified information exists as a response to hidden threats and a means to deal with secret plots. in other words, lies beget more lies, for a paragon shepard the response is to let the truth be known and trust the galaxy at large to do the right thing. the renegade response is to lie and subvert facts to avoid a fuss.

Incorrect. See Tali's loyalty mission.

freedom of speech, by its definition has no limits. this is true in theory, if, unfortunately not in practice. your proposed action in controlling this information is getting softer by the post. no more collector cops?

Those were for dealing with Cerberus revivals, not conspiracy theorists.

[Tomwew]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

. The let the Turians duke it out with humanity, their solution to the Rachni was to let the Salarians deal wi it, for the Krogan rebellions they let the Turians deal with it. They ignored the Collector attacks on humanity. They were content to let the quarians be butchered by the geth.

They stopped the First Contact War, and as for the others, they're not military specialists; they helped out when they could. They specialize in culture and economy, and do tremendously well at both; it's just "softer" because it's less dramatic and talked about less, but it's very far from useless.

They aren't military specialists, they can't fight worth crap.  Their "culture" is worthless.  It has given the galaxy nothing.  Except foot dragging.

i bet they're wishing they had more commandos and less dancers

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

freedom of speech, by its definition has no limits. this is true in theory, if, unfortunately not in practice. your proposed action in controlling this information is getting softer by the post. no more collector cops?

Those were for dealing with Cerberus revivals, not conspiracy theorists.

So the Asari can look out or themselves but no one else can?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

freedom of speech, by its definition has no limits. this is true in theory, if, unfortunately not in practice. your proposed action in controlling this information is getting softer by the post. no more collector cops?

Those were for dealing with Cerberus revivals, not conspiracy theorists.

So the Asari can look out or themselves but no one else can?

Cerberus started with racist atrocity and ended with attempted galactic extermination. You'll forgive my caution.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

freedom of speech, by its definition has no limits. this is true in theory, if, unfortunately not in practice. your proposed action in controlling this information is getting softer by the post. no more collector cops?

Those were for dealing with Cerberus revivals, not conspiracy theorists.

So the Asari can look out or themselves but no one else can?

Cerberus started with racist atrocity and ended with attempted galactic extermination. You'll forgive my caution.

. Judge us not by our methods but by what we seek to accomplish.

[Rifneno]

What do you call asari's Cerberus?

... No really, what do you call your fleet, Xil?

[Peranor]

Rifneno wrote...

Hell, Shepard would be gone. Completely vaporized. There wouldn't even be ashes left.



The Presidium Ring is 10km wide. It is completely engulfed by the explosion. This is an explosion measured in megatons. Hiroshima was about 15 kilotons for reference sake. No one survives that unless their only vulnerability is kryptonite. The common defense is "but if it's that powerful, how come the Citadel itself stays in-tact?" Because the Citadel's basic structure is quantum shielded, like the mass relays. Hydrogen bombs wouldn't even do much damage. And yet, the Citadel itself still took massive damage. Which further illustrates the incredible power of this explosion. This explosion that Shepard survive at ground zero.

No. The breath scene is hilariously stupid with literal interpretation. It's either IT, or BW forgot how science works.

Yes. And before that HUGE explosion there is also the smaller (in comparison) explosion to "soften Shepard up" so to speak.

It does look like poor Shepard is fully engulfed in a fiery inferno.

And at this moment Shepard didn't have much armor left to speak of. It was burnt and damaged. Shepard had no helmet and no life support or protection left. He is also weak, hurt and bleeding out allready before the series of explosions started.


So as chemiclord wrote

chemiclord wrote...

Simply put... Bioware wanted Shepard's life (and story) to end with ME3. That's why in every single ending, his fate is fairly concrete.

But somewhere in the process, someone (correctly) noted that doing so would incite a riot among the fanbase. So they tried to squeeze in one little Easter Egg at the end of one of the harder endings to achieve in the hope that it would sate the RPG purists who didn't want "their Shepard" to die.

It didn't work.

It's fairly obvious that Bioware wanted to kill off Shepard in every single ending so they knew that they would be done with him/her once and for all.
But in the end they chickened out and added the nonsensical breath scene just to cover their backs.
Now they can say "It's up to you to decide if Shepard lives or dies /trollface"

But as you said. "It didn't work"  

Modifié par anorling, 27 décembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Sunnyhat1]

This forum is a dangerous place to ask questions. I just came home and had 300 new mails .....

Anyway thanks for all the feedback.

[DeinonSlayer]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

This forum is a dangerous place to ask questions. I just came home and had 300 new mails .....

Anyway thanks for all the feedback.

Yeah... I didn't know you could even get email notifications for forum replies. You might want to turn that feature off.

[Steelcan]

Sorry about the major derailing......

[Peranor]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

This forum is a dangerous place to ask questions. I just came home and had 300 new mails .....

Anyway thanks for all the feedback.

Yeah... I didn't know you could even get email notifications for forum replies. You might want to turn that feature off.

Yeah, I would turn that feature off as well

[TheProtheans]

This game is terrible, go figure.