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[STRANGE10VE]

ME4 begins with the breath scene. The camera pans out and we find that the mysterious breather isn't Shepherd, it's the hero of our new adventure Coates. Sorry that's all I got because there's absolutely no way that the breather is Shepherd.

[RocketManSR2]

STRANGE10VE wrote...

ME4 begins with the breath scene. The camera pans out and we find that the mysterious breather isn't Shepherd, it's the hero of our new adventure Conrad. Sorry that's all I got because there's absolutely no way that the breather is Shepherd.

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[ElSuperGecko]

The breath scene is Shepard waking up. Simple as that. It's foreshadowed three times in the main game, and once in Leviathan.

[Peranor]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The breath scene is Shepard waking up. Simple as that. It's foreshadowed three times in the main game, and once in Leviathan.

The breath scene is foreshadowed?

[Humakt83]

anorling wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The breath scene is Shepard waking up. Simple as that. It's foreshadowed three times in the main game, and once in Leviathan.

The breath scene is foreshadowed?

Leviathan: "Breathe."

[Peranor]

Humakt83 wrote...

anorling wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The breath scene is Shepard waking up. Simple as that. It's foreshadowed three times in the main game, and once in Leviathan.

The breath scene is foreshadowed?

Leviathan: "Breathe."

lol

[ElSuperGecko]

anorling wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The breath scene is Shepard waking up. Simple as that. It's foreshadowed three times in the main game, and once in Leviathan.

The breath scene is foreshadowed?

Yep!  Three times, four with DLC.

[Massa FX]

Why the breathe scene?

... Everything was too bleak. So BW put in the breathe scene. Check out Comic Con 2012 panel discussion.

So. It. Is. Meaningless. -> but emotionally more positive. Doesn't everyone on BSN feel better?

Lolz!

Modifié par Massa FX, 28 décembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[crimzontearz]

Massa FX wrote...

Why the breathe scene?

... Everything was too bleak. So BW put in the breathe scene. Check out Comic Con 2012 panel discussion.

So. It. Is. Meaningless. -> but emotionally more positive. Doesn't everyone on BSN feel better?

Lolz!

 
May their choices come to bite them in the butt later

[Dr_Extrem]

crimzontearz wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Why the breathe scene?

... Everything was too bleak. So BW put in the breathe scene. Check out Comic Con 2012 panel discussion.

So. It. Is. Meaningless. -> but emotionally more positive. Doesn't everyone on BSN feel better?

Lolz!

 
May their choices come to bite them in the butt later

 i think, that already happened.

[crimzontearz]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Why the breathe scene?

... Everything was too bleak. So BW put in the breathe scene. Check out Comic Con 2012 panel discussion.

So. It. Is. Meaningless. -> but emotionally more positive. Doesn't everyone on BSN feel better?

Lolz!

 
May their choices come to bite them in the butt later

 i think, that already happened.

I will concede that only when either

A: Bioware announces the next DLC will expand the breath scene


 
or


 
B: Bioware goes the way of Bullfrog.


 
Until then it is all up in the air

[garrusfan1]

Shep can live wanna know why cause it is a video game. Also shep is almost indestructible it seems

[DeinonSlayer]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Shep can live wanna know why cause it is a video game. Also shep is almost indestructible it seems

If the concussive force of the shots he called down from the Migrant Fleet didn't kill him, not sure why headbutting an exploding pipe would.

[crimzontearz]

As I said before, accepting blindly that he survives as it stands requires you to shut your brain off

[Zazzerka]

It's easy. The breath is on Earth.

After shooting the pipe, s/he sprints to the Presidium, steals a taxi, escapes the Citadel before the explosion, flies the taxi to Earth, crashes for some reason, (woman driver/didn't stop for directions etc.) chills out in the rubble for a bit, gets rescued, makes out with his/her LI.

Doneskies.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 28 décembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[DeinonSlayer]

crimzontearz wrote...

As I said before, accepting blindly that he survives as it stands requires you to shut your brain off

And his surviving an orbital bombardment happening fifty feet away doesn't? The existence of the Synthesis ending doesn't?

Call it an "eye of the storm" effect. Citadel Tower is clearly no worse for wear in the slide showing the damaged Citadel, and Shepard was at the base of it. The man lives. You can either accept that, or froth about it on these boards from now until the end of time. Whatever the outcome, the time to come to terms with it was months ago. Either you'll continue to do business with Bioware or not - do you really need this much negativity in your life?

[crimzontearz]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

As I said before, accepting blindly that he survives as it stands requires you to shut your brain off

And his surviving an orbital bombardment happening fifty feet away doesn't? The existence of the Synthesis ending doesn't?

Call it an "eye of the storm" effect. Citadel Tower is clearly no worse for wear in the slide showing the damaged Citadel, and Shepard was at the base of it. The man lives. You can either accept that, or froth about it on these boards from now until the end of time. Whatever the outcome, the time to come to terms with it was months ago. Either you'll continue to do business with Bioware or not - do you really need this much negativity in your life?

 
They do, but after the bombardment on Rannoch the game goes on, I am not left to winder if he survived and expected to make up my mind given only the presented circumstances and a SUSPECTED author intention

[Dr_Extrem]

we do not even know, if the destroy-wave is actually an explosion. it could be a massive energy wave .. like in star trek 6.

the problem is that, without proper context, it could be anything.

before somebody brings this up: it is not an emp. an emp travels at the speed of light and it does not emit visible light or infrared-radiation.

[crimzontearz]

And since I am still here, apparently I do or else I would have been able to move on

[Dr_Extrem]

crimzontearz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Why the breathe scene?

... Everything was too bleak. So BW put in the breathe scene. Check out Comic Con 2012 panel discussion.

So. It. Is. Meaningless. -> but emotionally more positive. Doesn't everyone on BSN feel better?

Lolz!

 
May their choices come to bite them in the butt later

 i think, that already happened.

I will concede that only when either

A: Bioware announces the next DLC will expand the breath scene


 
or


 
B: Bioware goes the way of Bullfrog.


 
Until then it is all up in the air

well .. being bitten in the backside and reacting on it, are two different things.

[DeinonSlayer]

crimzontearz wrote...

And since I am still here, apparently I do or else I would have been able to move on

Look at the way you talk on here. Is it any wonder nobody wants to confront that kind of anger? They used every narrative trick in the book short of an explicit reunion to show Shepard lives. People like you continue to froth in anger, so they throw up their hands and say "let them believe what they want." If you want to believe he's dead, congratulations - he's dead. It's not worth addressing further. Get MEHEM if you're that broken up, or get help. What you're doing to yourself is simply not healthy.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 28 décembre 2012 - 04:46 .

[PhoenixAeon]

Jesus, Commander Shepard was never on the Citadel. Honestly, at this point they took a great series and they still have us talking about it months later. It does not even matter if Commander Shepard lives or dies if this is the cliff hanger and there is nothing more being developed. More importantly, WHY bother giving us such an ending if BioWare has no intentions of developing anything past this? They made it very clear that THIS is Shepard's ending.

Modifié par PhoenixAeon, 28 décembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[3DandBeyond]

LucasShark wrote...

The breath scene is exactly the same thing as done in X-Men 3 (a terrible movie by the way), it is a shallow attempt to keep the door open for sequels incase the money cow isn't dead yet. Does it make sense? No, does that matter from the executives' perspective? Also no.

Agreed.  In order to think that the gasp is meant as any real ending one would have to believe that heavy drug use is in effect at Bioware.  Or that they have totally decided to kill the franchise.  But, there's another line of thought and that's that they just don't care about anything they've ever said before (well, this could be true).  They said the EC would provide closure (which is defined as removing ambiguity).  The endings are the same as they were-Shepard unambiguously dies in all but one ending-synthesis and control always had closure.  The gasp is ambiguous.  No further evidence of what is wrong with it is needed.  BW has even described it as ambiguous.  No logical, rational person could say with a straight face, that the gasp is not ambiguous.and that it provides closure. 

I've seen the exact same scene used as a cliffhanger in all kinds of serial stories, most notably this was a mainstay of Soap Operas.  Soap Operas always had a big cliffhanger on Fridays.  A car crash and it's not known if the characters live or die-then you see a body (who is it?), and the chest heaves.  A bomb and ditto.  A tornado and ditto.  An earthquake, a shootout at a party, and so on.  This is one of the most used Soap Opera cliffhangers, along with amnesia.  And they are meant to be teasers and ambiguous.

[3DandBeyond]

Cliffhangers--just so people can see why the gasp scene at least feels like one.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Cliffhanger

From the piece in wikipedia:

"Although a cliffhanger can be enjoyable as a page turner at the end of a chapter in a novel, a cliffhanger at
the very end of a work can be frustrating. Possibly the most famous example is at the end of the 1969 movie The Italian Job, in which the escape vehicle is literally balancing on the edge of a cliff as the final credits roll."

"Cliffhangers are also sometimes deliberately inserted by writers who are uncertain whether a new series or season will be commissioned, in the hope that viewers will demand to know how the situation is resolved.
Such was the case with the second season of Twin Peaks, which ended in a cliffhanger similar to the first season with a high degree of uncertainty about the fate of the protagonist, but the cliffhanger could not save the show from being canceled, resulting in the unresolved ending."

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 décembre 2012 - 05:06 .

[crimzontearz]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

And since I am still here, apparently I do or else I would have been able to move on

Look at the way you talk on here. Is it any wonder nobody wants to confront that kind of anger? They used every narrative trick in the book short of an explicit reunion to show Shepard lives. People like you continue to froth in anger, so they throw up their hands and say "let them believe what they want." If you want to believe he's dead, congratulations - he's dead. It's not worth addressing further. Get MEHEM if you're that broken up, or get help. What you're doing to yourself is simply not healthy.

THEY are the storytellers, not me. If THEY do not specifically say something happens AND go forth specifically saying things that defy the supposed author intention then it DID NOT HAPPEN.


 
May the anger they caused burn them until they understand and do something about or until they go the way of bullfrog