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[Steelcan]

@rifneo. BW forgot how science worked well into ME2.

[cyrexwingblade]

Ignoring physics (which a lot of ME does), in terms of literary structure, it is Shepard alive in the rubble.

How that works with that massive energy shock wave? When it kills Geth/Edi, and reduces all tech to jittering spark-plugs until repaired? Didn't say it made sense, just that it's definitely Shep alive on the citadel in terms of *plot*

[chemiclord]

Steelcan wrote...

@rifneo. BW forgot how science worked well into ME2.

Apparently, "well into ME2" means "ten minutes in."

Modifié par chemiclord, 26 décembre 2012 - 09:04 .

[DeinonSlayer]

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Ignoring physics (which a lot of ME does), in terms of literary structure, it is Shepard alive in the rubble.

How that works with that massive energy shock wave? When it kills Geth/Edi, and reduces all tech to jittering spark-plugs until repaired? Didn't say it made sense, just that it's definitely Shep alive on the citadel in terms of *plot*

Presidium tower's intact in the picture of the blown-up Citadel afterwards. Also, what tech? Seems Reaper-tech is all it targeted. Quarians and biotics the galaxy over didn't keel over dead thanks to being spontaneously stripped of their implants. Ships still work.

[LucasShark]

chemiclord wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@rifneo. BW forgot how science worked well into ME2.

Apparently, "well into ME2" means "ten minutes in."

At least in ME2 the pseudo-science had SOME attempt at explanation... at least Thermal clips: the most backward "advance" in technology ever was somewhat explained, at least in context if not in practice... here they dropped even that and it's just "turtles all the way down".

[LucasShark]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Ignoring physics (which a lot of ME does), in terms of literary structure, it is Shepard alive in the rubble.

How that works with that massive energy shock wave? When it kills Geth/Edi, and reduces all tech to jittering spark-plugs until repaired? Didn't say it made sense, just that it's definitely Shep alive on the citadel in terms of *plot*

Presidium tower's intact in the picture of the blown-up Citadel afterwards. Also, what tech? Seems Reaper-tech is all it targeted. Quarians and biotics the galaxy over didn't keel over dead thanks to being spontaneously stripped of their implants. Ships still work.

Except the Normandy it seems...

[DeinonSlayer]

LucasShark wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Ignoring physics (which a lot of ME does), in terms of literary structure, it is Shepard alive in the rubble.

How that works with that massive energy shock wave? When it kills Geth/Edi, and reduces all tech to jittering spark-plugs until repaired? Didn't say it made sense, just that it's definitely Shep alive on the citadel in terms of *plot*

Presidium tower's intact in the picture of the blown-up Citadel afterwards. Also, what tech? Seems Reaper-tech is all it targeted. Quarians and biotics the galaxy over didn't keel over dead thanks to being spontaneously stripped of their implants. Ships still work.

Except the Normandy it seems...

You mean the ship seen lifting off the planet's surface and flying away at the end? Or are you ignoring the EC?

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 26 décembre 2012 - 09:11 .

[MegaSovereign]

LucasShark wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@rifneo. BW forgot how science worked well into ME2.

Apparently, "well into ME2" means "ten minutes in."

At least in ME2 the pseudo-science had SOME attempt at explanation... at least Thermal clips: the most backward "advance" in technology ever was somewhat explained, at least in context if not in practice... here they dropped even that and it's just "turtles all the way down".

The narrative attempted to explain Synthesis and still failed. Both ME2 and ME3 fail at providing a believeable explanations to major plot events.

Mass Effect was always a soft sci-fi.

[Tomwew]

LucasShark wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Ignoring physics (which a lot of ME does), in terms of literary structure, it is Shepard alive in the rubble.

How that works with that massive energy shock wave? When it kills Geth/Edi, and reduces all tech to jittering spark-plugs until repaired? Didn't say it made sense, just that it's definitely Shep alive on the citadel in terms of *plot*

Presidium tower's intact in the picture of the blown-up Citadel afterwards. Also, what tech? Seems Reaper-tech is all it targeted. Quarians and biotics the galaxy over didn't keel over dead thanks to being spontaneously stripped of their implants. Ships still work.

Except the Normandy it seems...

not in the high ems EC. yep totally didn't change anything, they didn't crash they just landed on a random planet...... because.

[DeinonSlayer]

Tomwew wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Presidium tower's intact in the picture of the blown-up Citadel afterwards. Also, what tech? Seems Reaper-tech is all it targeted. Quarians and biotics the galaxy over didn't keel over dead thanks to being spontaneously stripped of their implants. Ships still work.

Except the Normandy it seems...

not in the high ems EC. yep totally didn't change anything, they didn't crash they just landed on a random planet...... because.

Because they wanted to keep their ludicrious Adam and Eve metaphor with EDI and Joker, only this time without the starvation and inbreeding to follow.

[Tomwew]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Presidium tower's intact in the picture of the blown-up Citadel afterwards. Also, what tech? Seems Reaper-tech is all it targeted. Quarians and biotics the galaxy over didn't keel over dead thanks to being spontaneously stripped of their implants. Ships still work.

Except the Normandy it seems...

not in the high ems EC. yep totally didn't change anything, they didn't crash they just landed on a random planet...... because.

Because they wanted to keep their ludicrious Adam and Eve metaphor with EDI and Joker, only this time without the starvation and inbreeding to follow.

isn't that also in the actual adam and eve story? ha. but then how is the adam and eve allusion portrayed in control and destroy? what's the point in showing them 'crash' on the planet if they just get up and leave after an indetermined amount of time? why aren't they with the rest of sword now we know there was a rendevouz point?

sorry man gonna call sloppy, directionless writing on this one. just like the actual adam and eve story!

[chemiclord]

LucasShark wrote...

At least in ME2 the pseudo-science had SOME attempt at explanation... at least Thermal clips: the most backward "advance" in technology ever was somewhat explained, at least in context if not in practice... here they dropped even that and it's just "turtles all the way down".

I have YET to hear a pseudo-science explanation that helps the Lazarus Project sound ANYTHING resembling sensical; especially the scenario in which Shepard apparently was intact enough to be reconstructed after unassisted planetary re-entry.

Modifié par chemiclord, 26 décembre 2012 - 09:25 .

[Ticonderoga117]

chemiclord wrote...
I have YET to hear a pseudo-science explanation that helps the Lazarus Project sound ANYTHING resembling sensical; especially the scenario in which Shepard apparently was intact enough to be reconstructed after unassisted planetary re-entry and left to rot for God knows how long.

I keep hearing this, where does it come from? The feeling I got from the SR-1 destruction was that Shepard just got spaced and didn't take the role of a meteorite.

[DeinonSlayer]

chemiclord wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

At least in ME2 the pseudo-science had SOME attempt at explanation... at least Thermal clips: the most backward "advance" in technology ever was somewhat explained, at least in context if not in practice... here they dropped even that and it's just "turtles all the way down".

I have YET to hear a pseudo-science explanation that helps the Lazarus Project sound ANYTHING resembling sensical; especially the scenario in which Shepard apparently was intact enough to be reconstructed after unassisted planetary re-entry.

What Bioware leaves undone, the fans repair.

PhD med student explains Project Lazarus (good read). No Reaper magic necessary.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 26 décembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[Tomwew]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...
I have YET to hear a pseudo-science explanation that helps the Lazarus Project sound ANYTHING resembling sensical; especially the scenario in which Shepard apparently was intact enough to be reconstructed after unassisted planetary re-entry and left to rot for God knows how long.

I keep hearing this, where does it come from? The feeling I got from the SR-1 destruction was that Shepard just got spaced and didn't take the role of a meteorite.

in a dlc for ME2 you can go to the planet (alchera?) and pick up shep's death helmet from among some sr-1 debris. there's also a comic which depicts his entry into the planet i believe.

[Ticonderoga117]

Tomwew wrote...
in a dlc for ME2 you can go to the planet (alchera?) and pick up shep's death helmet from among some sr-1 debris. there's also a comic which depicts his entry into the planet i believe.

Well I knew about the helmet since I had the DLC, but always figured it was some other helmet (Had more than two sets of armor around so I figured it made some sense) and not exactly the one he was wearing when the SR-1 went up.... down... whatever. 

[Rifneno]

chemiclord wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

At least in ME2 the pseudo-science had SOME attempt at explanation... at least Thermal clips: the most backward "advance" in technology ever was somewhat explained, at least in context if not in practice... here they dropped even that and it's just "turtles all the way down".

I have YET to hear a pseudo-science explanation that helps the Lazarus Project sound ANYTHING resembling sensical; especially the scenario in which Shepard apparently was intact enough to be reconstructed after unassisted planetary re-entry.

My personal take on it is that they used Reaper tech.  Shepard's brain was intact because of his helmet, with Reaper tech it's at least plausible that they could've saved his mind.  The body can simply be regrown, the mind is what's important.  If Reapers are capable of keeping a mind intact while they turn someone into pudding and upload it to a giant AI neural network, I can see them getting it out of a brain that we'd just bury.

[Tomwew]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...
in a dlc for ME2 you can go to the planet (alchera?) and pick up shep's death helmet from among some sr-1 debris. there's also a comic which depicts his entry into the planet i believe.

Well I knew about the helmet since I had the DLC, but always figured it was some other helmet (Had more than two sets of armor around so I figured it made some sense) and not exactly the one he was wearing when the SR-1 went up.... down... whatever. 

hmmm you could be right, i took it as being the helmet he died in, and that's what gave it enough sentimental value to keep. the comic adds fuel to the theory he entered the atmosphere as does the line about shep being 'meat and tubes.'

been a while since i played but at the start of ME2, as you're struggling for air and floating towards the planet, doesn't shep start to burn up which then blends into the horizon?

[clennon8]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

It's pretty simple. Shepard wakes up in some rubble on the Citadel.

After being at the center of a miles-wide explosion.  Elementary.

[DeinonSlayer]

Rifneno wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

At least in ME2 the pseudo-science had SOME attempt at explanation... at least Thermal clips: the most backward "advance" in technology ever was somewhat explained, at least in context if not in practice... here they dropped even that and it's just "turtles all the way down".

I have YET to hear a pseudo-science explanation that helps the Lazarus Project sound ANYTHING resembling sensical; especially the scenario in which Shepard apparently was intact enough to be reconstructed after unassisted planetary re-entry.

My personal take on it is that they used Reaper tech.  Shepard's brain was intact because of his helmet, with Reaper tech it's at least plausible that they could've saved his mind.  The body can simply be regrown, the mind is what's important.  If Reapers are capable of keeping a mind intact while they turn someone into pudding and upload it to a giant AI neural network, I can see them getting it out of a brain that we'd just bury.

No need for Reaper tech (writing equivalent of throwing up one's hands and saying a wizard did it). I'd recommend reading what I linked above - a PhD med student wrote it.

[Mcfly616]

"A stubborn enough person can survive just about anything. Rage is a hell of an anesthetic." - Zaeed

He seems to know what he's talking about. I'll take his word for it.

[chemiclord]

A PhD doesn't change the fact that from that height, to hell with meat and tubes, Shepard should have been finely scattered particulate matter... and if anything HAD survived intact, he would have been nothing more than a tiny impact crater.

[dorktainian]

how did they resurrect shepards brain? he crash landed on an alien planet - at speed. he would have been moving at terminal velocity. the impact would have done unbelieveble damage to his brain. plus his suit ruptured. this would have caused his heart to explode due to the pressure difference.

that man was deader than a red uniformed starfleet officer on an away trip.

[StayFrosty05]

It is incredible what some people have managed to survive in RL....Some years back here in Australia there was a tragedy at one of our Ski Resorts....it was a mud slide that caused it if I recall correctly, but anyway a bunch of sizeable Chalets toppled down the side of a mountain, crashing into each other...survivors were not expected given the carnage....but one man did....He was found in a small pocket of space after a number of days of digging through the rubble....We hear of 'impossible' survivals enough to know anything is possible.

Out of curiosity, everyone says the Citadel falls to Earth, is this seen or stated in the ending?....I don't recall seeing that happen....I will have to watch it again I suppose and check.

[Dr_Extrem]

the more pressing question is, why do we find the helmet on the planet? .. did the rescue team take it off?

just a simple question ...