The chant obviously comes from catholicism and christianity. I thought the following quote was brilliant. It's refreshing to find philosophy in a game. At this point I do not consider "Dragon age" a game anymore, but an experience.
"Faith is of the heart, not the head. When the heart is ungoverned by reason, charlatans have powerful tools to deceive."
Isn't that the truth? ..... Good job Bioware!
A very cool quote in game.. I'm impressed..
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:06
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I second that...powerful words with global implications!
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:18
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Jowan: Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:36
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So "if you don't think about things, someone can trick you."
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:42
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Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...
Jowan: Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!
It makes sense an atheist would turn to the dark arts.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:50
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JackFuzz how come your game isn't registered?
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:54
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When is it ever implied that Jowan is an atheist?
I think the only confirmed atheist in the game is Morrigan. Dog doesn't count and neither does Shale because ....it has amnesia.
I think the only confirmed atheist in the game is Morrigan. Dog doesn't count and neither does Shale because ....it has amnesia.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:55
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Many fantasy games, ESPECIALLY Dragon Age are really a mirror into our own society when it comes down to it
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 02:56
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Jowan way plenty holy where it counted. I mean, he was putting his sacramental offering into female priestess no less.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:05
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JackFuzz wrote...
Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...
Jowan: Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!
It makes sense an atheist would turn to the dark arts.
How exactly does that make sense?
I'm an atheist and last I checked I wasnt involved with the dark arts in any way.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:05
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Borschtbeet wrote...
When is it ever implied that Jowan is an atheist?
I think the only confirmed atheist in the game is Morrigan. Dog doesn't count and neither does Shale because ....it has amnesia.
I believe Shale shows some interest in the Way of the Qun during some chats with Sten.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:22
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Catholicism? I'd disagree. The religion is monotheistic, and thus seems to share a lot with Christianity...but I think it does a good job of distancing itself from any modern religions. Hell, several aspects of it seem to coincide with Islam, but I'm talking about how the Chant was derived from it.
...now, on to your actual point: Dragon Age's writers were great at creating believable, memorable characters. Statements like that are a great example of this.
...now, on to your actual point: Dragon Age's writers were great at creating believable, memorable characters. Statements like that are a great example of this.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:25
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JackFuzz how come your game isn't registered?
Stalk much?
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:27
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EJon wrote...
StrangeCat Productions wrote...
JackFuzz how come your game isn't registered?
Stalk much?
it means he probably pirated the game .
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:32
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Heh, one of my favorites was "I suggest examining your food more closely."/"That's good advice for anyone." And I laughed out loud at the "What did you do with her legs?" exchange.
The writing is superb throughout.
The writing is superb throughout.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:48
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Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...
Jowan: Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!
I was up all night looking for the sun....and then it dawned on me.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:51
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Beerfish wrote...
Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...
Jowan: Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!
I was up all night looking for the sun....and then it dawned on me.
I like waffles
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 03:58
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addiction21 wrote...
Beerfish wrote...
Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...
Jowan: Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!
I was up all night looking for the sun....and then it dawned on me.
I like waffles
Your signature said the quote about waffles would be over here -------------->
But it wasnt. You lied to me.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 04:06
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Dragon Age must be the first or one of the very few RPGs the OP has played. 
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 04:07
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byne wrote...
addiction21 wrote...
Beerfish wrote...
Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...
Jowan: Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!
I was up all night looking for the sun....and then it dawned on me.
I like waffles
Your signature said the quote about waffles would be over here -------------->
But it wasnt. You lied to me.
nu uh the signature lied to you (I hear he did it for waffles)
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 04:08
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Faith = NothingJackFuzz wrote...
The chant obviously comes from catholicism and christianity. I thought the following quote was brilliant. It's refreshing to find philosophy in a game. At this point I do not consider "Dragon age" a game anymore, but an experience.
"Faith is of the heart, not the head. When the heart is ungoverned by reason, charlatans have powerful tools to deceive."
Isn't that the truth? ..... Good job Bioware!
That's not philosophy, that's theological nonsense... faith from heart? Then what? Then moves the actions of people stronger than something that has been planned. Then, it's a bad thing because it's not a harmless emotion or sense, but it arises from weakness.
There's no god.
P.S.: Yes. I think Morrigan has way better quotes than this one.
And yes, I think that Bioware has done a really good job with this, I can perceive some philosophical influences and stuff.
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 04:20
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When the world is void of nugs...there...will...be...
ENCHANTMENT!
...And a great reckoning, yadayada, waffles, peanut sauce, Michael Jackson jokes...
Did I mention sex? Oh yeah. Lots of sex.
Everywhere.
Once upon a time, in a land far, far away, in a galaxy closer than you think, but not that close, 'cause it has to be far, far away.
AND THE MUFFINS WILL RULE THE WORLD!
ENCHANTMENT!
...And a great reckoning, yadayada, waffles, peanut sauce, Michael Jackson jokes...
Did I mention sex? Oh yeah. Lots of sex.
Everywhere.
Once upon a time, in a land far, far away, in a galaxy closer than you think, but not that close, 'cause it has to be far, far away.
AND THE MUFFINS WILL RULE THE WORLD!
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 04:23
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Sheryl Chee is a writer at BioWare who participated in the making of Dragon Age: Origins. Sheryl has a philosophy degree, which she says trained her for a career of making things up. She is responsible for writing Dog, Leliana, Wynne and Cullen.
She lists her hobbies as liking cheese and yarn.
I knew it.
http://dragonage.wik...iki/Sheryl_Chee
Morrigan: "The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure."
Morrigan: "Attempting to impose order over chaos is futile. Nature is, by it's very nature, chaotic."
Leliana: "Let me ask you this, then, Morrigan. What if there really was a Maker?"
Morrigan: "Then I would wonder why He has abandoned His creation. It seems terribly irresponsible of Him."
She lists her hobbies as liking cheese and yarn.
I knew it.
http://dragonage.wik...iki/Sheryl_Chee
Morrigan: "The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure."
Morrigan: "Attempting to impose order over chaos is futile. Nature is, by it's very nature, chaotic."
Leliana: "Let me ask you this, then, Morrigan. What if there really was a Maker?"
Morrigan: "Then I would wonder why He has abandoned His creation. It seems terribly irresponsible of Him."
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Posté 07 janvier 2010 - 04:28
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RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
So "if you don't think about things, someone can trick you."
:-)
Not quite.. think of it this way
Faith = Heart
Heart - Reason = Easily Controlled
So basically, don't place your faith before your ability to see reason. Others may use it to exploit you.
I'm not sure why a religion would preach that; it seems kind of self-defeating, but there you have it.
