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[Dr_Extrem]

yeah .. because it is totally epic and deep to jump off a cliff, because the new antagonist says so.

[Seival]

Troxa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Simple & epic

Disney endings are abomination.

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Troxa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Simple & epic

Disney endings are abomination.

go and let your shep jump off the cliff. (synthesis whise)

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 27 décembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[Kel Riever]

Seival wrote...

Troxa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Simple & epic

Disney endings are abomination.

Right.......  Remember, its down the street and not across the tracks.  Do not forget your heavy mascara and Black No. 1 hair dye.

[Seival]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Troxa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Simple & epic

Disney endings are abomination.

go and let your shep jump off the cliff. (synthesis whise)

I prefer to give the Catalyst Shepard's personality and memories. The new Catalyst will apply Synthesis in much more productive manner.

[Dr_Extrem]

seival loves the original disney ending - synthesis ..

are you still planning to put everyone who would disagree over it in camps?

[3DandBeyond]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

JMDekker2 wrote...

lame and lame

Wrong and wrong. That is the destroy ending I wanted, BioWare, not speculation.

- I will say that that the MEHEM ending should've been one possible ending, that way there is something for everyone.

That's exactly the point.  No one's saying MEHEM is perfect, but it fixes in part one ending that Bioware should have made possible.  Considering what the creator of MEHEM and his helpers accomplished, it is a great thing that at least makes the game not feel so GD bad at the end.

Lame is what we got from BW-the company that had the ability to make something far greater and choosed endings derived from a lot of other sources, but not derived from the ME stories themselves.  MEHEM is a way to make it somewhat better and it does that.  It can't fix what's wrong with everything BW did, but it at least creates a far better image.  I can finish the game having seen Shepard standing up with friends.  Not some garbage where we get to see Shep's face stripped away or we get to say goodbye to a torso in rubble.

MEHEM fixes one piece-the imagery and feeling.  Sure, it should have been far different with a variety of endings possible.  Real bittersweet, real sacrifice for something good, real loss, real victory and a win feeling. 

[Seival]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

seival loves the original disney ending - synthesis ..

are you still planning to put everyone who would disagree over it in camps?

Mass Effect trilogy doesn't have disney endings.

About reservations... Of course

Modifié par Seival, 27 décembre 2012 - 05:25 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

seival loves the original disney ending - synthesis ..

are you still planning to put everyone who would disagree over it in camps?

Mass Effect trilogy doesn't have disney endings.

About reservations... Of course

i am speechless.

[wolfsite]

This just proves no matter what happens.... people are just gonna ****.

-Keep the same people will ****
-Change it to satisfy them, other people will ****.

Can't satisfy everyone so why bother trying.

[Wayning_Star]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Troxa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Simple & epic

Disney endings are abomination.

go and let your shep jump off the cliff. (synthesis whise)

I prefer to give the Catalyst Shepard's personality and memories. The new Catalyst will apply Synthesis in much more productive manner.

actually, with control or synthesis, there is no NEW catalyst. With destroy, the catalyst could go underground, that is reamain as a rogue program if any Leviathan super tech remains. And apparently it does, even if severely damaged. The catalyst is shut down in destroy, thats how the reapers are destroyed, as they're taken offline with that action. Chances are good that some day the catalyst could be reinvoked via such survival. We have to remember everything in the MEU technology base is Leviathan/reaper technology. Any Ai that might reamain, could very well, contain catalyst code. Also the memory of the destruction of all things 'synthetic' in virtue of defeating the reaperships.

That according to the catalyst program that seems to of recorded such behavior over the last few years in existence. The Leviathan provides this information as well.

[macrocarl]

I like the idea of happy endings, but for massages, not Mass Effect.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

Troxa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Simple & epic

Disney endings are abomination.

No, crazy head canon is.  Shepard as the new baby catalyst er, um reaper, who still maintains a sort of love affair with Liara or is somehow the citadel.  Or maybe crash tests (do you see no problem with the term "crash test") using the most valuable Alliance ship as well as a full crew of somewhat important people.  Or how about concentration camp planets.  Or maybe alternate endings with more Cerberus (we need moar and moar Cerberus becuz).  The triple synthesis theory-a new gymnastics event.

Your assertion is that Disney endings are somehow wrong, well hmmm, actually Disney movies almost always show sacrifice with a purpose, loss and overcoming loss, and some very nuanced things.  They show characters that overcome adversity, that come together with other societal cast offs to reclaim lost things through their own determination.  They may band together with others who would normally be foes and they learn to fight a common foe.  They confront adversity using diversity as their strength.  And they win on their own terms.  They overcome evil by confronting it, not using some tool of some godboy to give their foe what he wants, but by embracing all they've accomplished along the way and using what they've learned.  They make friends of enemies and don't give in to them because the road ahead is difficult.

Disney endings actually follow through on themes that were essential in ME before ME3's endings.  Unity, diversity, self-reliance, self-determination, maturation, love, cooperation, respect.  So, yes I want a Disney ending because Disney endings follow through on internal promises within their own stories.  One of the first I ever saw was the original "Incredible Journey", about a cat and 2 dogs that make it back to their family against all odds.  Along the way, they learn to work together, and they get home because love drives them on-they know what their goal is and never forget it.  The goal of ME is abandoned at the end of ME3.  Oh, and Disney actually makes a lot of money creating those Disney endings.  And I daresay that any new Star Wars project created by them, will have a Disney ending.

[Seival]

wolfsite wrote...

This just proves no matter what happens.... people are just gonna ****.

-Keep the same people will ****
-Change it to satisfy them, other people will ****.

Can't satisfy everyone so why bother trying.

True.

[3DandBeyond]

macrocarl wrote...

I like the idea of happy endings, but for massages, not Mass Effect.

Well that counts one of you.  I can't relate to anyone that thinks an unhappy ending is just great.  It's not mature, not artisitic, and even ME3 isn't meant to have unhappy endings-ever watch the slideshows?  That's super silly happy in the face of a lot of hell that has just happened.  Never what I wanted.  Real consequences and not this stuff.

[Little Princess Peach]

Rifneno wrote...

Someone recently mentioned how unlikely it was that Shepard even managed to hold onto his pistol all the way to Starbrat, and mentioned how destroy wouldn't even be possible if he hadn't. Ever since, I keep imagining my Shepard's own special way of activating it. Holding up Starbinger by one leg and repeatedly hitting the destroy tube with him. Like a morning star or flail type weapon. All while childishly going, "Stop destroying yourself!" with every hit.

I normally picture my shep using her biotic power to destroy the tube then colapsing

[Reth Shepherd]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

seival loves the original disney ending - synthesis ..

are you still planning to put everyone who would disagree over it in camps?

Mass Effect trilogy doesn't have disney endings.

About reservations... Of course

...I was originally going to recommend you go into politics, as you have the correct grasp on reality and facts to be a huge success. I've changed my mind. Please don't ever try being in charge of real people.

[Iakus]

wolfsite wrote...

This just proves no matter what happens.... people are just gonna ****.

-Keep the same people will ****
-Change it to satisfy them, other people will ****.

Can't satisfy everyone so why bother trying.

That's what multiple endings are for

Something fro everybody.  Supposedly.

[3DandBeyond]

Wayning_Star wrote...


actually, with control or synthesis, there is no NEW catalyst. With destroy, the catalyst could go underground, that is reamain as a rogue program if any Leviathan super tech remains. And apparently it does, even if severely damaged. The catalyst is shut down in destroy, thats how the reapers are destroyed, as they're taken offline with that action. Chances are good that some day the catalyst could be reinvoked via such survival. We have to remember everything in the MEU technology base is Leviathan/reaper technology. Any Ai that might reamain, could very well, contain catalyst code. Also the memory of the destruction of all things 'synthetic' in virtue of defeating the reaperships.

That according to the catalyst program that seems to of recorded such behavior over the last few years in existence. The Leviathan provides this information as well.

This is actually quite true since all we are really left with for all endings is head canon and no real logic as to what happens next.  The catalyst is a program, data, just as are EDI and the geth, outside of their blue boxes or infrastructure.  Like if my computer fails, my harddrive may still hold my data.  But in ME, it says if you move that data to a new blue box then the personality will be different.  So, who's to say that the "kid" won't wind up in some other tech at some point and be an even worse thing than he already is?

He says that in destroy the problem will return.  Seems likely that there'd be some way he'd have to return if the problem does.  And you are right-it's reaper/leviathan tech. 

The catalyst though in control and synthesis, isn't destroyed either though.  It is augmented in control-Shepard's data is added to it and who the hell knows what happens to him in synthesis?  There's nothing to suggest he's gone at all. 

The aftermath of all this is just head canon for everyone, but there are glimpses of what could happen and even logical extrapolation.  However, what we have are super silly slideshows to offset the original bad feelings of what happened with the relays in the original endings.

[Seival]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

Troxa wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Simple & epic

Disney endings are abomination.

go and let your shep jump off the cliff. (synthesis whise)

I prefer to give the Catalyst Shepard's personality and memories. The new Catalyst will apply Synthesis in much more productive manner.

actually, with control or synthesis, there is no NEW catalyst. With destroy, the catalyst could go underground, that is reamain as a rogue program if any Leviathan super tech remains. And apparently it does, even if severely damaged. The catalyst is shut down in destroy, thats how the reapers are destroyed, as they're taken offline with that action. Chances are good that some day the catalyst could be reinvoked via such survival. We have to remember everything in the MEU technology base is Leviathan/reaper technology. Any Ai that might reamain, could very well, contain catalyst code. Also the memory of the destruction of all things 'synthetic' in virtue of defeating the reaperships.

That according to the catalyst program that seems to of recorded such behavior over the last few years in existence. The Leviathan provides this information as well.

By "New Catalyst" I mean the original Catalyst, who now thinks like Shepard, and has all her memories. This is what happens in Control - Shepard give everything she has to the Catalyst for the greater good. But Shepard dies... Everything has its cost...

...Well, and ultimate winners are indeed Leviathans. No matter which way to stop the Reapers you choose.

[macrocarl]

3DandBeyond wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

I like the idea of happy endings, but for massages, not Mass Effect.

Well that counts one of you.  I can't relate to anyone that thinks an unhappy ending is just great.  It's not mature, not artisitic, and even ME3 isn't meant to have unhappy endings-ever watch the slideshows?  That's super silly happy in the face of a lot of hell that has just happened.  Never what I wanted.  Real consequences and not this stuff.

Missed my joke or maybe didn't care? Whatever. I don't think any of the endings are 'sad' or 'unhappy' they're more grim if anything. Seen many slideshows depending on what I did through each playthrough. So not sure about what youa re saying. Not liking it is legit, but what did you want? A last make out scene with your LI?

[Dr_Extrem]

well .. the massage of mass effect is: "dont even try do maka a difference - you are screwed anyway"

life teaches this every day .. i dont need this massage in video games as well.

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

This just proves no matter what happens.... people are just gonna ****.

-Keep the same people will ****
-Change it to satisfy them, other people will ****.

Can't satisfy everyone so why bother trying.

That's what multiple endings are for

Something fro everybody.  Supposedly.

Exactly.  I didn't create the dialogue that Bioware allows MY Shepard to use-Bioware created it.  They led me to believe that mattered and they ignored all of that at the end.  Why allow my Shepard to actually say things and do things that may well be far different from someone else who plays it and then let them get endings that can match the game they played, but that don't match the game I played?

I have no problem with someone liking the endings they got and saying that they fit for them (don't agree but that's their view of it), but I do have a problem with people thinking if we don't like it all, we should just live with it.  Sure, we'll have to, but then someone makes MEHEM that's a small part of what we wanted and there's still a need to criticize.  What it boils down to is that some people say they are ok with the endings, but they have some attitude that others should never get any kind of ending they want.  They use words to say it's because it cheapens the game or ruins the ending or some other crap as if someone wants to paint over the Mona Lisa.  But it boils down to nastiness-they want others to be unhappy because they get some sort of odd happiness over it all, sticking it to their opponents.

It's so stupid.  This is a game.  Why not actually show that you are happy with your endings that you love, by actually being happy.  Why not show you actually love the game by wanting others to be happy and love it all too?  No, you want to crap on people that want something that affirms victory, love, self-reliance, unity, diversity, even what some see as morality (sure their own moral views), and so on.  Well, that's just great.  Personally, I know I'll never agree with this attitude at all.

[Seival]

iakus wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

This just proves no matter what happens.... people are just gonna ****.

-Keep the same people will ****
-Change it to satisfy them, other people will ****.

Can't satisfy everyone so why bother trying.

That's what multiple endings are for

Something fro everybody.  Supposedly.

The original ending concept is the only true ending. It may get some additional explanations via DLC, but that's all...

...Alternate endings are abomination.