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[3DandBeyond]

macrocarl wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

I like the idea of happy endings, but for massages, not Mass Effect.

Well that counts one of you.  I can't relate to anyone that thinks an unhappy ending is just great.  It's not mature, not artisitic, and even ME3 isn't meant to have unhappy endings-ever watch the slideshows?  That's super silly happy in the face of a lot of hell that has just happened.  Never what I wanted.  Real consequences and not this stuff.

Missed my joke or maybe didn't care? Whatever. I don't think any of the endings are 'sad' or 'unhappy' they're more grim if anything. Seen many slideshows depending on what I did through each playthrough. So not sure about what youa re saying. Not liking it is legit, but what did you want? A last make out scene with your LI?

No, I got the joke.

And your last question is exactly the problem.  No, that isn't what I wanted.  I wanted a true ending.  Your question is insulting and again is like saying we wanted a Disney ending.  It's totally ridiculous to say that is all that people wanted.  I wanted a variety of endings that ran the gamut from grim to bittersweet to the sweet and that were possible based upon our actions and choices and not one ending choice.  Again, you and I could play different types of Shepards, different choices, different actions, and we still get the same basic thing at the end, if we meet minimums of EMS. 

I agree the ending choices (and what should be their consequences) are grim-too grim for a game with the inane fetch quests of ME3 and other juvenile elements.  However the slides are too trite and that makes them rather silly.  Sure, you might get childless Krogan, no geth, and so on, but the feeling is not one of sadness-the VAs and cutscenes make it clear; everything is going to be just super dooper after Shepard makes a choice.

In the original endings, the relays were blown up, supposed to destroy the galaxy (BW said this in many places-in the game and in interviews).  People said this didn't fit with the idea of the galaxy going on, Normandy crashed, and so on.  So, BW started to retcon it, and when the EC came out they said they didn't know why anyone thought the galaxy was destroyed--apparently they forgot that was because they said so.  The slides are meant to emphasize that the galaxy was not destroyed, the relays not blown up (though the relay in destroy is a mess so it should be really bad for the Sol system), and so on.  The consequences are too trite.  Reapers or people will easily repair everything and life will go on, happy joy joy.  One line about remembering others.  Oh goodie, well Palaven's in ruins as is Thessia, Earth, and countless colonies obliterated, times a million.  So, thanks for the slides.  That's what I'm saying.

The epilogue could have shown some real things about rebuilding and loss and trying to pick up the pieces.  Bittersweet.  The endings could have included real sacrifice for some good purpose and so on.  Bittersweet. 

And it's my opinion.  You are welcome to your own.  But my desired ending would be far more emotional and cathartic than a boss conversation with some trumped up choice created to funnel EMS toward one ending.

[Reth Shepherd]

Guys, I think Seival's going to be the enemy in the next ME game! Think about it! Everything but Synthesis/Control is an abomination. His/her Shepard is the new Catalyst, who is going to implement Synthesis. Everyone who doesn't want Synthesis gets put into concentration camps. We are so totally going to be the last few holdouts fighting the evil Seival overlord in ME4!

[Sousabird]

Rifneno wrote...

Someone recently mentioned how unlikely it was that Shepard even managed to hold onto his pistol all the way to Starbrat, and mentioned how destroy wouldn't even be possible if he hadn't. Ever since, I keep imagining my Shepard's own special way of activating it. Holding up Starbinger by one leg and repeatedly hitting the destroy tube with him. Like a morning star or flail type weapon. All while childishly going, "Stop destroying yourself!" with every hit.

You sir are my new hero

[Sousabird]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Guys, I think Seival's going to be the enemy in the next ME game! Think about it! Everything but Synthesis/Control is an abomination. His/her Shepard is the new Catalyst, who is going to implement Synthesis. Everyone who doesn't want Synthesis gets put into concentration camps. We are so totally going to be the last few holdouts fighting the evil Seival overlord in ME4!

I'd buy that

[Kel Riever]

I'll just keep repeating it, since it doesn't seem to sink in for some.

The endings are garbage, and that has nothing to do with them being unhappy endings.

You are welcome.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:17 .

[xsdob]

Too choopy for me to like. Too badly edited for me to care for. And the OC admiral I do not like.

Get better mics for his voice. Get animators who can use TF2 level source animation to make som not badly chop sakied scenes. And get some online composers who can make some original songs thay dont make me.just want to go and play the overlord dlc again or jacobs ME3 mission.

[Dr_Extrem]

xsdob wrote...

Too choopy for me to like. Too badly edited for me to care for. And the OC admiral I do not like.

Get better mics for his voice. Get animators who can use TF2 level source animation to make som not badly chop sakied scenes. And get some online composers who can make some original songs thay dont make me.just want to go and play the overlord dlc again or jacobs ME3 mission.

its a beta .. the rest in in the works.

[MegaSovereign]

I didn't mind the reuse of older soundtracks but for Pete's sake the Suicide Mission track should be exclusive to ME2.

I don't know what was wrong with An End Once and For All.

[archangel1996]

I personally hate the real ending and dislike this one....it's still better than the one we got

[Sousabird]

Kel Riever wrote...

I'll just keep repeating it, since it doesn't seem to sink in for some.

The endings are garbage, and that has nothing to do with them being unhappy endings.

You are welcome.

There are some people more upset by the lack of a happy ending more than anything else

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I didn't mind the reuse of older soundtracks but for Pete's sake the Suicide Mission track should be exclusive to ME2.

I don't know what was wrong with An End Once and For All.

"an end once and for all" did not really work anymore. i tried it - it did not fit. (i dont like this soing at all - personal taste)

this is very likely to be changed in later versions. it is also very possible, that the extended anderson dialogue is reimplemented as well.

[xsdob]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Too choopy for me to like. Too badly edited for me to care for. And the OC admiral I do not like.

Get better mics for his voice. Get animators who can use TF2 level source animation to make som not badly chop sakied scenes. And get some online composers who can make some original songs thay dont make me.just want to go and play the overlord dlc again or jacobs ME3 mission.

its a beta .. the rest in in the works.

Than prove it. Dont be waving around a half finished rough draft, show me the real thing when its done.

If this is being hailed as a better ending than ME3 than I expect a product better than ME3's ending. Not something a 16 year old youtube poop celebroty could have made with ease.

Modifié par xsdob, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:41 .

[Dr_Extrem]

xsdob wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Too choopy for me to like. Too badly edited for me to care for. And the OC admiral I do not like.

Get better mics for his voice. Get animators who can use TF2 level source animation to make som not badly chop sakied scenes. And get some online composers who can make some original songs thay dont make me.just want to go and play the overlord dlc again or jacobs ME3 mission.

its a beta .. the rest in in the works.

Than prove it. Dont be waving around a half finished rough draft, show me the real thing when its done.

If this is being hailed as the better ending to ME3, than I expect something
that is actually better than ME3. Not a fanfic with editing a 15 year old

its not my work - i cant prove anything. but there is a to-do list and the version number 0.2 indiceates, that this is a beta. i did not post this video on this board - i can only write, what i know from the board.

i dont hail it being better than the original ending .. only more fitting (to me), with less plotholes/contradictions.

btw. if you dont like it, you should not care.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[xsdob]

^ Same for you people, you dont like ME3. Why should you care about it anymore?

[Dr_Extrem]

xsdob wrote...

^ Same for you people, you dont like ME3. Why should you care about it anymore?

the problem is, that i still love mass effect - generalisations do not help here. 

do you just want to incite illwill? what is your motivation to be that agressive? why do you imply, that the people who like this mod, do not like mass effect 3? 

if we would not like it anymore, we would have left this board. accept it - there are people out there, who do like mass effect but not the way it ended.

[xsdob]

I want people to strive for greatness, not settle for good enough.

They shouldn't be satisfyed with a mod that is not that good, they should make it better, in any way they can. Make it something truley mind blowingly better and not just "I would have liked that more."

That is my motivation. What is yours?

[xsdob]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

xsdob wrote...

^ Same for you people, you dont like ME3. Why should you care about it anymore?

the problem is, that i still love mass effect - generalisations do not help here. 

do you just want to incite illwill? what is your motivation to be that agressive? why do you imply, that the people who like this mod, do not like mass effect 3? 

if we would not like it anymore, we would have left this board. accept it - there are people out there, who do like mass effect but not the way it ended.

You made the assumption that I hated everything about this mod and that I should just treat it with apathy.

You generalized me first, and than you played the victim when I did it back.

[jlw970_xbox]

The problem is that there was not a full spectrum of endings. I envisioned a range of endings that encompassed Shepard losing so utterly that all organic life was destroyed forever to Shepard winning so triumphantly that loses were only heavy (not horrific) and he was able to live through art and daring. That was what I envisioned when I heard the line from Bioware that our in game choices matter for the ending.

There is nothing Disney or lame about happy endings. I bet you are working quite hard to have "them" in your life. If not, well...

[Dr_Extrem]

xsdob wrote...

I want people to strive for greatness, not settle for good enough.

They shouldn't be satisfyed with a mod that is not that good, they should make it better, in any way they can. Make it something truley mind blowingly better and not just "I would have liked that more."

That is my motivation. What is yours?

so .. you want the mod to be made better? fleshed out? .. i want that too.

the problem is, that there are technical limitations. the game engine is far away from being moding friendly. all changes have to be done by hex editing. you cant add or alter sequences of the game with ease. we proposed to change the normandy in the extraction scene to a shuttle. this simple looking task, turned out to be a mammoth task. it is not only the question of changing the model.

good video cuts take time, need good software and usable raw material. or someone who can actually make new video sequences. this is not an easy task.

time, resources and personal ... three major problems.


making something far better than bioware did, would need the original voice actors, professional video editors and the creation tools directly from bioware. thats not going to happen.


for the second version, the mods looks good. its a band aid ... a visible headcanon ... thats all.

[Dr_Extrem]

xsdob wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

xsdob wrote...

^ Same for you people, you dont like ME3. Why should you care about it anymore?

the problem is, that i still love mass effect - generalisations do not help here. 

do you just want to incite illwill? what is your motivation to be that agressive? why do you imply, that the people who like this mod, do not like mass effect 3? 

if we would not like it anymore, we would have left this board. accept it - there are people out there, who do like mass effect but not the way it ended.

You made the assumption that I hated everything about this mod and that I should just treat it with apathy.

You generalized me first, and than you played the victim when I did it back.

you made the impression, that you dont like the mod and you wrote, that i dont like mass effect .. that could be taken in the wrong way.

if i hurt your feelings or insulted you, i want to apologise - it was not my intention.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 27 décembre 2012 - 08:49 .

[clos]

This ending is FAR better than any of the polished turd's (aka: EC) options we were given. I have downloaded it and made it the official canon in my head.

In my 35 years of gaming I had never seen such a terrible ending to a franchise in any medium. The trend today is to go as depressing as you can and it's very lame. Adult people recognize when an ending follows the pattern set in the first 2.99 preceding moments of the franchise and now someone has done what's right and created an ending that matches the theme of the rest of the entire franchise. Only kiddos feel the need to go all goth and be "conflicted and compromised" because "it's so cool and different" but just don't realize it's been done a million times before. Emos, that's what soap operas are for, go watch lifetime/oxygen channels and don't ruin any more games for us.

I give thanks for this awesome mod and forever turn my head in denial from the atrocity Bioware inflicted upon the masses otherwise known as EC.

[Reth Shepherd]

Arcian wrote...

This ought to be interesti-
>"Liara & ManShep Romance"
NOPE.avi

The gamer who made the trailer romanced Liara and decided to use some of the couple's MEHEM footage to show that there was a reunion. Other romances are available; it is not MaleShep or Liara LI-exclusive.

[Rahmiel]

So what you're saying is.. there should be no choice at the end of the game? This HEM is contradictory to all the people disliking the choices and wanting endings where their choices throughout the game directly impact the ending. And HEM removes everything and just gives what.. a long cutscene with a happy ending?

I don't buy it. I guarantee if BW released this, there probably would have been an even bigger stink about it than what they actually released.

[Dr_Extrem]

Memmahkth wrote...

So what you're saying is.. there should be no choice at the end of the game? This HEM is contradictory to all the people disliking the choices and wanting endings where their choices throughout the game directly impact the ending. And HEM removes everything and just gives what.. a long cutscene with a happy ending?

I don't buy it. I guarantee if BW released this, there probably would have been an even bigger stink about it than what they actually released.

you make your ending-choice by installing the mod - simple and effective.

this mod is a high ems-destroy ending, without killing edi and the geth .. in addition, it shows a reunion and cuts out the catalyst.

it is not a perfect ending but one, a lot of people can live with. it just reflects the headcanon of many people.