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[rod1569]

Personally I like being able to play different races with different backgrounds to go with it. Being limited to playing one race, is just really boring to me. May be some people don't want repeats of DAO but I think bringing back several things that made DAO successful would be a step in the right direction. I didn't enjoy playing one race in DA2, I kind of expected them to include all the races and even let us try out the Qunaris. 

[Solas]

Think it was confirmed that DA3 PC is human only.

[Sweawm]

Shame that most say it won't be an option in III. It adds a real layer of replay value.

[rod1569]

That's what I wanted, being able to start over with a new character and such. Is everything already set in concrete or might they change their minds?

[Sol Downer]

rod1569 wrote...

That's what I wanted, being able to start over with a new character and such. Is everything already set in concrete or might they change their minds?

From what I've observed they don't plan to change their mind any time soon. Heck, I do believe Allan made a thread dedicated to telling the whole of BSN that DA3 has a human protagonist.

[rod1569]

That's unfortunate, but I predict I will end up playing the game anyhow.

[snackrat]

I'm less annoyed by the 'only one choice' so much as that the one choice is human. Again. I would prefer a dwarf, but couldn't we get an elf? See things from the other side, have to fight to get the NPCs to listen to us.

The reason they went human is 'most people play human'. Yeah well, the analytics they shared showed most people play a male warrior human noble. (Probably without changing their looks/voice, too). About half (I forget in which direction) of those under analytics did NOT EVEN FINISH. (There are other factors too: mods being one.)

That vast majority didn't 'choose' human. They LEFT it as human because that was the DEFAULT CHOICE. They accept what they're given.

I've heard users say "yeah but I couldn't identify with a dwarf, only a human". What? Why? Because he's too short? You can't get into the skin of a character shorter than you? How far does that extend - too rich or poor? Too male or female? You really feel "yep, I am both a capable warrior in the misunderstood interpretation of fencing which is not as badass as games make it look, and also a real nobleman with lands and titles, with a dog that can do everything but speak, so I can identify with default Cousland REALLY WELL".
...or are you talking about the cultural differences, societal standards, and religion - where the HUMANS ALSO DIFFER FROM US, and thus require you to be a little more flexible? Where you will be thrown into a world where conflicting ideas and cultures fight for space? You sound like the very person that just thought "Man, **** the Dalish. Being a nobleman of much prowess I have never been opressed and thus don't get why their mad, they should stop whining already". It's an RPG. A role-playing game. If you are not capable of playing any roles, you're really out of your element. You'd be better off with a game of a different genre that has "RPG elements" (which basically means levelling up, and potentially different viable builds, but rarely ever actual roleplay).

Roleplay as a human by going outside. The graphics are amazing and the characters are very well-written, where your choices matter. The only downside is that they haven't patched the bug where people strawman and mock you on the internet.

I may or may not be strawmanning and mocking you.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 27 décembre 2012 - 12:44 .

[Plaintiff]

It's funny how every time someone mentions a feature they want brought back, it was always "the" feature that made DA:O so successful.

[Felya87]

if it was another game, another lore, I would not be so mad (I would not buy DA I. if it is really good, I would buy it used. maybe. too much nervous with DA2) but hey! in DA, playng as a Dwarf or as an Elf give a really different point of view in the world.
DA:O may have too little difference from race to race, but where more than reasonable, and when returning to the place where the origin start, whell, was really good done. the difference where there.

Even if in DA:I we are going to have different origins for the human protagonist (I can't help but call it in my head Hawke 2.0) it would not give us the same depth and diffente point of view of on Elf or a Dwarf on the world. Is just like take awy something like three quartes ot the game.

[Sanunes]

As much as people on the BSN want to say that certain features of Dragon Age: Origins make it interesting BioWare goes by the numbers of the metrics they are sent from the game to try and improve on those areas.  Dragon Age: Origins has the lowest completion percentage of all recent BioWare games starting with Mass Effect 1, where only 36% finished the game (I consider Dragon Age 2 to be a mess, but 41% of the people completed it).  I highly doubt that full 36% went back and played Dragon Age: Origins a second time.  I rather BioWare focus their time on making the first playthrough interesting and exciting to play, for me that improves the enjoyment I have for a second game for I doubt having multiple races would have made me want to play Dragon Age 2 a second time.

For those interested.  My source

Modifié par Sanunes, 27 décembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[upsettingshorts]

rod1569 wrote...

Personally I like being able to play different races with different backgrounds to go with it.

This is actually two requests:

-Racial choice
-Playable background stories

Neither is essentially married to the other.  I made a thread on the subject asking people about it a month or two ago.  The question was basically, "If you have to pick one of these and not the other, which would it be?"

The results were fairly evenly split down the middle.  Slightly less than half wanted the races, slightly more than half wanted different human backgrounds to play.  A handful insisted the concepts were objectively inseperable, which struck me as silly but predictable.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 décembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[Sanunes]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

rod1569 wrote...

Personally I like being able to play different races with different backgrounds to go with it.

This is actually two requests:

-Racial choice
-Playable background stories

Neither is essentially married to the other.  I made a thread on the subject asking people about it a month or two ago.  The question was basically, "If you have to pick one of these and not the other, which would it be?"

The results were fairly evenly split down the middle.  Slightly less than half wanted the races, slightly more than half wanted different human backgrounds to play.  A handful insisted the concepts were objectively inseperable, which struck me as silly but predictable.

I think it has more to do with the mentality of message boards then anything else, for if you look at how some people reacted to Mass Effect 3 being awarded The Escaptist Game of the Year chosen by readership vote.  People used the fact that it was only a small number of people that voted as the reason why it won, for if more people voted it wouldn't have won because its that bad.  Now they had a vote on the ending for Mass Effect 3 when there was a vote here about what BioWare should do about the ending they refuse to acknowledge that the number of people voting there was a small sample size, so the results could be skewed.

Personally I am interested to know more about the background idea for the game, for if it carries onto the game further then the race option in Dragon Age: Origins I think its going to be more enjoyable for me then being able to play an Elf or Dwarf.  At the same time I don't want to find more out, for it might raise my expectations to a level where they won't be able to meet them because they were too unrealistic.

[Sir George Parr]

I spent 12 months straight with origins and over this time developed a preference for the Human protagonists, sometimes the dalish elf to spice things up.To this day i have never bothered with the elf mage or caste less dwarf. Even in that time sponge of game Skyrim, i have a Human protagonist and if i ever get to the end of it i won't go back and do it again with another race because it is such a huge commitment in time.
So it was not a problem to make the shift to a Human protagonist in DA2. I just would have liked my experience of Kirkwall to have being different if i changed Hawke's gender, instead of finding that the same LIs in the story would be interested in Hawke regardless of Hawke being a Man or a Woman. Its at that point i would liked something more like what you have in Mass Effect, which is a world of possibilities.

[WardenWade]

rod1569 wrote...

Personally I like being able to play different races with different backgrounds to go with it. Being limited to playing one race, is just really boring to me. May be some people don't want repeats of DAO but I think bringing back several things that made DAO successful would be a step in the right direction. I didn't enjoy playing one race in DA2, I kind of expected them to include all the races and even let us try out the Qunaris. 

I enjoyed races tremendously in DA:O as well; it was one of my favorite parts of the game, coupled as it was with origins.  From what I gather, and I may very well be mistaken, the devs want to tell a "tighter" story in DA:I and feel one race is the best choice for this, as well as that the Chantry conflict is perhaps more or less a "human-only" problem with human consequences only.  

I personally do not think the latter is true, and feel the conflict would conceivably effect every race in Thedas in a unique manner.  Likewise, it seems to me that race options will not be provided in Inquisition in part, perhaps, because the story would need to diverge a quite a bit to encompass each race's individual experience of the game and the assumptions that would be made of them based on that race. 

That impliedly differing perspective, background and story is the very reason I wish that races would have been included in DA3.  Again, I may be mistaken, but by their omission it seems to me that the devs imply the non-human races have a unique story to tell here that would be worth hearing, if that makes sense..?  Hopefully the playable race option (for all races), with the assumptions of background that are so a part of it, will return in DA4.

Modifié par WardenWade, 27 décembre 2012 - 02:24 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

rod1569 wrote...

Personally I like being able to play different races with different backgrounds to go with it.

This is actually two requests:

-Racial choice
-Playable background stories

Neither is essentially married to the other.  I made a thread on the subject asking people about it a month or two ago.  The question was basically, "If you have to pick one of these and not the other, which would it be?"

The results were fairly evenly split down the middle.  Slightly less than half wanted the races, slightly more than half wanted different human backgrounds to play.  A handful insisted the concepts were objectively inseperable, which struck me as silly but predictable.

To be fair to the discussion, it doesn't look like either of these are going to be in DA:I, if all things can be believed. We are playing as only a human and, according to Gaider, it seems we are going to have Background options, but without the ability to play them (as far as we can tell, a la ME1).

So... I can understand people's initial negative reaction to this, based on the (very) limited information we have. If your survey had asked if people would prefer race, playable origin/background  or neither of these, I'm fairly confident you would have received a VERY low amount of "neither" votes. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 27 décembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[Silfren]

It's already been confirmed that we will be playing a human.  I'm less certain it's been confirmed that we'll have different backgrounds to choose from, but that does seem to be the consensus. 

It's beyond pointless to keep asking Bioware over and over and over again for things that Bioware has very clearly stated Won't Be Happening.  I wish people would do a little research before asking these questions that already have been asked several dozen times. 

Personally, I'm okay with this.  I do rather enjoy having the option to play different races, and explore the different story behind each, but specifically because I love story itself so much, I'm perfectly content to have one background from which to play.  Like it or not, Bioware can tell a much stronger, tighter story this way, and having a powerful and compelling story is much more important to me than variety of background.

[NoForgiveness]

i want to be an elf... *sigh*

[upsettingshorts]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

rod1569 wrote...

Personally I like being able to play different races with different backgrounds to go with it.

This is actually two requests:

-Racial choice
-Playable background stories

Neither is essentially married to the other.  I made a thread on the subject asking people about it a month or two ago.  The question was basically, "If you have to pick one of these and not the other, which would it be?"

The results were fairly evenly split down the middle.  Slightly less than half wanted the races, slightly more than half wanted different human backgrounds to play.  A handful insisted the concepts were objectively inseperable, which struck me as silly but predictable.

To be fair to the discussion, it doesn't look like either of these are going to be in DA:I, if all things can be believed. We are playing as only a human and, according to Gaider, it seems we are going to have Background options, but without the ability to play them (as far as we can tell, a la ME1).

So... I can understand people's initial negative reaction to this, based on the (very) limited information we have. If your survey had asked if people would prefer race, playable origin/background  or neither of these, I'm fairly confident you would have received a VERY low amount of "neither" votes. 

Obviously.

You'd think most people wouldn't "vote" in favor of less features, especially when they either haven't been explicitly told what they're getting in return for their absence.  That goes for any feature.

But the point of the poll was to show that as far as the BSN goes there's hardly any consensus on the matter.  A similar poll in the human protagonist thread revealed that a significant minority (roughly 40% or so) did indeed express "neither" sentiment.  They just didn't post constantly in the thread about it, only once to say they didn't mind, didn't care, or are actually glad the resources are going elsewhere (vaguely as it may be at this stage) and then left.  Suffice to say it didn't seem like it was a big deal one way or the other to quite a few people, even here where the die hards come to talk.  Given the metrics, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that human-only players are represented in force on the BSN as well.

Which isn't to say people can't or shouldn't be upset if either origins or racial choices are something they care about, just the apparent consensus on the issue is - if the small sample size is evidence anyway - more than a little illusory. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:27 .

[Versus Omnibus]

Carbon-based wrote...

Think it was confirmed that DA3 PC is human only.

[addiction21]

Fast Jimmy wrote...


To be fair to the discussion, it doesn't look like either of these are going to be in DA:I, if all things can be believed. We are playing as only a human and, according to Gaider, it seems we are going to have Background options, but without the ability to play them (as far as we can tell, a la ME1).

Ummm... I am here a bit and all I have seen is "there will be backgrounds" Would you mind providing the rest of us with a link to where its Mr. Gaider hinted at that they won't be playable?

[upsettingshorts]

addiction21 wrote...

Ummm... I am here a bit and all I have seen is "there will be backgrounds" Would you mind providing the rest of us with a link to where its Mr. Gaider hinted at that they won't be playable?

It's been said that it's going to be similar to Mass Effect 1 in that they will not be playable.  Any other relation to Mass Effect 1's implementation should, on the other hand, not be assumed because - tight lipped as they are - they've said as much.

[Fast Jimmy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

rod1569 wrote...

Personally I like being able to play different races with different backgrounds to go with it.

This is actually two requests:

-Racial choice
-Playable background stories

Neither is essentially married to the other.  I made a thread on the subject asking people about it a month or two ago.  The question was basically, "If you have to pick one of these and not the other, which would it be?"

The results were fairly evenly split down the middle.  Slightly less than half wanted the races, slightly more than half wanted different human backgrounds to play.  A handful insisted the concepts were objectively inseperable, which struck me as silly but predictable.

To be fair to the discussion, it doesn't look like either of these are going to be in DA:I, if all things can be believed. We are playing as only a human and, according to Gaider, it seems we are going to have Background options, but without the ability to play them (as far as we can tell, a la ME1).

So... I can understand people's initial negative reaction to this, based on the (very) limited information we have. If your survey had asked if people would prefer race, playable origin/background  or neither of these, I'm fairly confident you would have received a VERY low amount of "neither" votes. 

Obviously.

You'd think most people wouldn't "vote" in favor of less features, especially when they either haven't been explicitly told what they're getting in return for their absence.  That goes for any feature.

But the point of the poll was to show that as far as the BSN goes there's hardly any consensus on the matter.  A similar poll in the human protagonist thread revealed that a significant minority (roughly 40% or so) did indeed express "neither" sentiment.  They just didn't post constantly in the thread about it, only once to say they didn't mind, didn't care, or are actually glad the resources are going elsewhere (vaguely as it may be at this stage) and then left.  Suffice to say it didn't seem like it was a big deal one way or the other to quite a few people, even here where the die hards come to talk.  Given the metrics, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that human-only players are represented on the BSN as well.

Which isn't to say people can't or shouldn't be upset if either origins or racial choices are something they care about, just the apparent consensus on the issue is - if the small sample size is evidence anyway - more than a little illusory. 

But, again, to the point... I was one of the people who you would have put into your "didn't mind" category, but that's not what your poll asked. You asked if you were disappointed. I was not - I had fully expected Bioware to continue with the DA2 train of human only voiced PC. That doesn't mean I don't mind... it just means I expected it.

Your poll was a little slanted in its bias based on the question alone. Not that you were trying for a truly academic, comprehensive metric of the forums, mind you, but still... I would say the playable backgrounds (which were accentuated by the races) was one of the cornerstones for why DA:O was such an amazing game for me to play and replay. The static options we have in Hawke's background and character is one of the biggest gripes I had in why I could only get through DA2 two and a half times, despite plans to do otherwise. And yet I was tagged as one of your "doesn't mind" group. 

Not to say there isn't over-representation of one side over another on the forums, but I wouldn't exactly use your poll as "evidence" of anything. Or, if you do, please make sure you link the actual discussion and your wording so people can compare and verify what's being represented.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[addiction21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Ummm... I am here a bit and all I have seen is "there will be backgrounds" Would you mind providing the rest of us with a link to where its Mr. Gaider hinted at that they won't be playable?

It's been said that it's going to be similar to Mass Effect 1 in that they will not be playable.  Any other relation to Mass Effect 1's implementation should, on the other hand, not be assumed because - tight lipped as they are - they've said as much.

Well if possible I would like to read what has been said myself if possible. All I have picked up is that there will be a background choice nothing about them being playable or not. Maybe I missed it.

Personally if they are not playable but actually have a larger impact then Mass Effects or Origins I would be more then happy with that.
And no a new story, extra mission, or flavor dialogue is not what I am looking for.

As far as other races being playable... Don't really care one way or another. I would either need the universe react distinctly to my race or an actual benefit in stats to a race. Such like Dwarfs being resistant to magics instead of a point or two in a stat.

[upsettingshorts]

@FastJimmy:  I wasn't trying to demonstrate anything other than a lack of consensus, something that is - despite the lack of it - constantly taken for granted.  Reading further into it is at best a shallow exercise, though I'm guilty of speculating from it a bit.

That you've adjusted your expectations is noteworthy in of itself, since quite a few people think that because playable backgrounds were included in one game - and considered exceptional enough at the time to warrant mention in the subtitle - they ought be included in all future games.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 décembre 2012 - 07:43 .

[Medhia Nox]

While I'd love to play a dwarf in Orzammar (and why would I leave Orzammar?) - I'd never want to play a lithe pointy eared person that excelled at poverty.

You're going to need a fantasy world not dominated by humans - or an Ensemble Protagonists RPG to get what you guys want. (at least with more than the most basic story behind it - like Skyrim)