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[Herr Uhl]

DarthLaxian wrote...

of course they do - we are talking about EA here, they could spend 5 years or more developing a single title and spend very very very much money (remember: they are the second largest company in the gaming industry (only Activision-Blizzard is bigger!)

This is a rather odd statement. Their budget isn't determined by the size of the company, but the expected size of sales. A larger company has the chance to reach a larger market, but there is still an upper limit.

So while they could, that would be stupid to do as a company.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

I admit I may have been more interested in the game if they'd have included the previous race choices. Right now though, I'm like 'Ha, whatever. There will probably be better RPGs to be had in 2013 anyway.'

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Melca36 wrote...

They don't have the resources to add every race

Well that's too bad.

[Melca36]

rod1569 wrote...

Most games I play I usually go for the stumpy races, that's just me I like short things running around attacking ankles - but if the game is really good and the story is strong enough to hold my interest I could live and play as the boring stereotypical human. I have also played main character RPGs, but I think because I enjoyed DAO so much I was hoping to see a few things return in DA:I. I like some of the ideas thrown out here (the surface dwarf thing) and may be we will see that in the next DA project if not in this one.

Sterotypical human?


And heres something for you to ponder. I have a dwarf coworker who likes playing games.
She likes playing humans  because its an escape for her. 

Everybody has their likes/dislikes.

[The Hierophant]

Melca36 wrote...

Sterotypical human?

Once you go Qunari you'll be sorry.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 28 décembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[Saibh]

Eh, I remember them giving us a rough percentage on the amount of people that played dwarves, and it was really, really low. And the amount of people playing elves was also low. And I imagine quite a bit of that number was people just playing through all the Origins just to see what happens, rather than dedicated playthroughs.

I play humans. I don't really connect with the other species, and I'm not interested in them. I wouldn't actively stop people from wanting to play as an elf or something if I could, but I don't really care that they haven't included it. 

Modifié par Saibh, 28 décembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[Fast Jimmy]

scyphozoa wrote...

Just in regards to the vast majority of players choosing 1 predominant racial choice, this is pretty much the same with Skyrim. Most polls show that nord is overwhelmingly the most popular racial choice, yet that doesn't make the huge variety of other racial options any less valuable. It really is just a design choice based on kind of game is Bioware trying to make. Bioware is more focused on narrative, story and character development and less on emergent narratives and customization.

Every first run of an Elder Scrolls game has been with an Argonian character. I love those reptilians b**tards.

[In Exile]

scyphozoa wrote...

Just in regards to the vast majority of players choosing 1 predominant racial choice, this is pretty much the same with Skyrim. Most polls show that nord is overwhelmingly the most popular racial choice, yet that doesn't make the huge variety of other racial options any less valuable. It really is just a design choice based on kind of game is Bioware trying to make. Bioware is more focused on narrative, story and character development and less on emergent narratives and customization.

It's also totally irrelevant to the game, though, in Skyrim. There's no playable background (like DA:O) and there are very few lines that recognize that you are [insert race]. There's no braching content based on race, and there are no cinematics where the build/size of the character matters. 

So it is literally cost free in TES, other than building the models. Beyond that, there's also the fact that TES is a less racist setting, overall. Even with the Stormcloacks Nord exceptionalism was pretty light. 

[ToJKa1]

There's really only one race in Skyrim: Nords. You can make them look like the other races, but no NPC notices the difference

Anyway, humans only? I can't say i'm surprised, but i am disappointed still. Once features have been removed, they are rarely reintroduced.

[XX-Pyro]

Atalanta wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

rod1569 wrote...

Most games I play I usually go for the stumpy races, that's just me I like short things running around attacking ankles - but if the game is really good and the story is strong enough to hold my interest I could live and play as the boring stereotypical human. I have also played main character RPGs, but I think because I enjoyed DAO so much I was hoping to see a few things return in DA:I. I like some of the ideas thrown out here (the surface dwarf thing) and may be we will see that in the next DA project if not in this one.

Dwarves and elves are far more stereotyped than humans. 

I read it as in - a vast majority of video game protagonists are human (males), so a stereotypical PC would be one. But I could be wrong about what he meant.

So going against something simply because it's mainstream? I guess that  could be what he meant

I read it using the literal definition of stereotyped; however when I think of a dwarf I think of a stunted human with a beard, an elf I think of a short human with pointy ears, a human I just think of the vast variation. Dwarves in my mind are typically warriors who use hammers or axes or two handed swords (see: Oghren; also this is a stereotype Bioware does nothing to break what with dwarves not being able to be mages).

[DarthLaxian]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Every first run of an Elder Scrolls game has been with an Argonian character. I love those reptilians b**tards.

well i prefer the magical elves (altmer i think they are called)

as for the removed feature:

indeed, they probably wont give it back to us, same with the skillpoints (strength, magic etc.), the old talking-tree-system (before this stupid dialogue wheel), and the old skilltrees (from before dragon age 2 with the 2 specializations (three in awakening) for your character and stuff -.- and that is sad because it shows, that they don't want to admit that they really made misstakes in the past (with DA2 - as well as with mass effect 3 which were both bottom points of their respective series!)

greetings LAX

[Asdrubael Vect]

"Perhaps its because 80% played human Origin"

It's a lie, I've seen a lot of forums/sites and there was no 80% or 70% or ever 60%

[upsettingshorts]

Dark Korsar wrote...

"Perhaps its because 80% played human Origin"

It's a lie, I've seen a lot of forums/sites and there was no 80% or 70% or ever 60%

The numbers are derived from BioWares own internal metrics, the thing that was recorded from the option to upload user statistics to BioWare.  They received data from over 3 million users.  Your forums and websites are comparitively statistically insignificant.  

So you were either unaware of this fact and can consider yourself properly informed now, or you're asserting that BioWare is lying about the data for no reason.

[Atalanta]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Every first run of an Elder Scrolls game has been with an Argonian character. I love those reptilians b**tards.

Argonians4Life! I don't normally play male characters when given a choice, but in Skyrim I was won over by those scaly little dudes while flipping though the character creator. They are just so cute. 

XX-Pyro wrote...
So going against something simply because it's mainstream? I guess that  could be what he meant

I read it using the literal definition of stereotyped; however when I think of a dwarf I think of a stunted human with a beard, an elf I think of a short human with pointy ears, a human I just think of the vast variation. Dwarves in my mind are typically warriors who use hammers or axes or two handed swords (see: Oghren; also this is a stereotype Bioware does nothing to break what with dwarves not being able to be mages).

Hmm, I think of humans in video games as thirty-something dark-haired white guys with stubble.

There's also a difference between stereotype and archetype. I don't believe that the elves and dwarves are overly-simplified in a negative way, they just share patterns common to the fantasy genre. I tend to think of ideas such as dwarves not being able to be mages as archetypical, not stereotypical. But anyway, all of that is beside the point since Rod never came back to clarify, lol.

To get back on topic ... sort of ... I still hold that it would be more productive to give opinions on what you'd like to see with the background stories (provided they make it in), rather than to debate the pros and cons of racial selection. Pretend that we know the protagonist is going to be "set" like in DA 2 and Mass Effect. Where do you want to see more customization?

Edit: @Upsettingshorts I wanted to see if there was more to your pug-wearing-an-equestrian-helmet avatar so I Google'd and omg my new desktop background.

Modifié par Atalanta, 28 décembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

"BioWare is lying about the data for no reason."

Do not be so naive, why else would they talk about 80%...and of course, it is not directly related to the fact that we did not even get to choose +one more race except human)))

or you forgot Dragon Age 2, when a lot of people were unhappy with the lack of choice another race)))

another Hawk/Shepard is so stupid, but very cheap))) ... the same type of main characters in each game, so briliant)))

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 28 décembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[upsettingshorts]

[violation of Rue #6 removed]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 29 décembre 2012 - 07:58 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

it's just a business and marketing baby, and oh yeah disregard for the players....but who cares)))


http://www.bumrise.i...=2079-ans=1 and where 80% of which I have heard so)))
only on this forum 53% of dissatisfied

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 28 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Saibh]

Dark Korsar wrote...

"BioWare is lying about the data for no reason."

Do not be so naive, why else would they talk about 80%...and of course, it is not directly related to the fact that we did not even get to choose +one more race except human)))

Because some people were complaining, and the devs offered us an explanation. 

or you forgot Dragon Age 2, when a lot of people were unhappy with the lack of choice another race)))

Do not forget that the BSN doesn't represent their player base as a whole. For instance, the amount of people who say they play FemShep in polls is a lot higher than the amount that do in their statistics. The people in this forums are more likely to have a more diverse player base, but of the many polls that have been done, they still favor humans.

[Maria Caliban]

Dark Korsar wrote...

it's just a business and marketing baby, and oh yeah disregard for the players....but who cares)))


http://www.bumrise.i...=2079-ans=1 and where 80% of which I have heard so)))
only on this forum 53% of dissatisfied

Wow, 800 people on a site I've never seen before.

That totally trumps their 3 million.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 29 décembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[Drasanil]

I don't know, saying they won't bother with elf or dwarf player characters because most people stuck with the default human, seems kind of wrong headed. It's the same backwards logic as releasing only half a game because an undefined but 'substantial' portion of the player base did not finish DAO... look how well that idea turned out when DA2 hit the shelves.

What drew me to DAO was specifically the origins, a chance to make my own character, 99%+ of the games out there already feature a Joe Everybody protag, it's bad enough DA2 gave us exactly that, I was really hoping DAI would be different, but it's looking like we'll just get Hawke 2.0.

[PsychoBlonde]

Karsciyin wrote...

Roleplay as a human by going outside. The graphics are amazing and the characters are very well-written, where your choices matter. The only downside is that they haven't patched the bug where people strawman and mock you on the internet.

I may or may not be strawmanning and mocking you.

Well, there's a slight issue with having the PC be a dwarf: you couldn't play a Mage.  So I doubt very much we'll ever see a dwarf-only PC except in a little side adventure like Leliana's song.

I tried out all the races in Origins and I wasn't really happy with anything other than human.  I'm not sure why--I LOVED the dwarf noble background, loved it loved it loved it, but something about the proportions/animations on the dwarf just bugged me.  Maybe I should go back and try it again.

[Melca36]

Dark Korsar wrote...

"Perhaps its because 80% played human Origin"

It's a lie, I've seen a lot of forums/sites and there was no 80% or 70% or ever 60%

Its a known fact and its been posted periodically by the developers.

[Melca36]

I play the Asari and Sylvari races in Guild Wars 2.

I will have no problem playing a human in Dragon Age 3 since I get my fix in other games

[Maria Caliban]

There are asari in GW 2?