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[DeathScepter]

the only saving grace of Diane Allers, is battle ******. Other than that, she is a derpy and a smelling fufu.

[Omega Torsk]

jumpingkaede wrote...

I don't hate her I just didn't like her. I wanted to talk to her more and I was hoping she was more interactive but she isn't.

I HATE the whole "click on character and listen to them talk" thing introduced by Zaeed and Kasumi. Would it have been that much more work to just make those conversations regular dialogue wheel conversations? The voices are already recorded.

Instead if I want to exhaust the dialogue options I'm forced to keep on clicking like a ****** until they say some generic dust-off like, "Come back later Shepard".

I know that feel.

I was very disappointed when I saw that Bioware made this a commonplace thing in ME3. In ME2, it was exclusive only to the DLC characters (which is understandable), however, nearly every interactive NPC (including squadmates) had a point where they would be reduced only to the "click on character and listen to them talk" interactions that saturate this game.

When I finally got Ash back, I was so excited, I ran straight to the observation deck, hoping to get an in-depth scene with her (because I was romancing her at the time) only to be greeted with a generic "good to see you" dust-off response...

It was a disappointment. My biggest criticism with this game is not that it failed to go above the bar set by ME2, but that it went below it for reasons that reek of time and money constraints.

[laudable11]

djspectre wrote...

I don't hate Diana Allers as a person or a character, but I do wish that Emily Wong had been an option.

[Fnork]

I'd rather they had spent the time and money they spent on Allers on the Rachni instead.

[Daxamite]

bad voice acting, she looks horrendous, and we already had two female reporter characters in ME1 and 2 who could have been brought in, and while I am not a big Tali fan, even I think the lack of time giving Tali a proper face was ridiculous

[CDRSkyShepard]

My Shepard took one look at her and said, "On my ship, we wear clothes," and that was that.

Whatever the cost was to bring in Chobot, (and yes, we can debate all day about what it was) it certainly wasn't worth the fact that Beattie was never even contacted to return as Mordin, the character he pretty much brought to life. If that isn't enough for you to think maybe they were strapped for cash (why else would they flat-out not even approach a VA if for no other reason than they don't think they could pay his wages?), I don't know what is. Whatever money was spent on Chobot would've been better budgeted elsewhere.

[Yate]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

My Shepard took one look at her and said, "On my ship, we wear clothes," and that was that.

Whatever the cost was to bring in Chobot, (and yes, we can debate all day about what it was) it certainly wasn't worth the fact that Beattie was never even contacted to return as Mordin, the character he pretty much brought to life. If that isn't enough for you to think maybe they were strapped for cash (why else would they flat-out not even approach a VA if for no other reason than they don't think they could pay his wages?), I don't know what is. Whatever money was spent on Chobot would've been better budgeted elsewhere.

Jack disproves that

and maybe Beattie was just a dick to work with?

[Dean_the_Young]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Did bioware actually explained why Chobot is in the game? Did Chobot sleep with one of the devs... or.. i don't know. Why is she in the game?

favour maybe? 

.. even if she was asked by the bioware team - without any hidden agenda - she should have refused the offer. she considers herself a journalist - and as a journalist, she has to be neutral.

participating in a game, is not being neutral.

Besides the sillyness in treating the video game media as a Serius Business, there's are time-honored alternatives to avoiding a conflict of interest than never having a relationship... such as avoiding dealing with the subject in your professional duties in a way in which your biases would change your position. When a person is not in a position to unduly influence the decisions relating to the subject, the conflict is removed.

Does anyone have anything to support any theory that Chobot's role in ME3 affected her treatment of ME3 in a professional capacity?

Hell, does anyone even know if she dealt with ME3 in a professional capacity at all?

[Dean_the_Young]

Yate wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

My Shepard took one look at her and said, "On my ship, we wear clothes," and that was that.

Whatever the cost was to bring in Chobot, (and yes, we can debate all day about what it was) it certainly wasn't worth the fact that Beattie was never even contacted to return as Mordin, the character he pretty much brought to life. If that isn't enough for you to think maybe they were strapped for cash (why else would they flat-out not even approach a VA if for no other reason than they don't think they could pay his wages?), I don't know what is. Whatever money was spent on Chobot would've been better budgeted elsewhere.

and maybe Beattie was just a dick to work with?

Or that he was contacted, later, and an agreement couldn't be worked out?

After all, the Beattie twitter quote came before most characters were doing any voice recording. That was during the demo show-pieces where Cerberus was running around on Rannoch for unclear reasons.

[Dr_Extrem]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Did bioware actually explained why Chobot is in the game? Did Chobot sleep with one of the devs... or.. i don't know. Why is she in the game?

favour maybe? 

.. even if she was asked by the bioware team - without any hidden agenda - she should have refused the offer. she considers herself a journalist - and as a journalist, she has to be neutral.

participating in a game, is not being neutral.

Besides the sillyness in treating the video game media as a Serius Business, there's are time-honored alternatives to avoiding a conflict of interest than never having a relationship... such as avoiding dealing with the subject in your professional duties in a way in which your biases would change your position. When a person is not in a position to unduly influence the decisions relating to the subject, the conflict is removed.

Does anyone have anything to support any theory that Chobot's role in ME3 affected her treatment of ME3 in a professional capacity?

Hell, does anyone even know if she dealt with ME3 in a professional capacity at all?

where did i imply, that her professionalism was affected? 

the gaming media tries to be taken seriously. they are trying really hard. they call themselves journalists. journalists have a code of conduct. they stay neutral and do not participate. they make research and write about it.

the problem is present - people think that ea or bioware gave this role to chobot, to get benefits. even if this is garbage, the damage is done. by this action, ign lost credibility.

even if she was not "mobbed-up", it could look this way.

[Jeffonl1]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Because there were already two reporters in the Mass Effect universe who would have been more relevant, interesting and believable in the role.

Relevant? Not sure how either Emily Wong or Al'Jilani were particularly 'relevant.' Familiar, perhaps, but they were never tied into the main plotlines.

Interesting? Matter of opinion, I suppose. Al'Jilani was a made-to-hate character who's primary role was to boost the player's ego by proving how eloquent Shepard could be over the nasty, unfair critism of the player's choices (as all such critisms of the player happen to be). Emily Wong was certainly a good deal more sympathetic, so I suppose I could see people being more interesting in an established sympathetic character than someone they haven't gotten to know yet... though, of course, if Bioware didn't create new characters to get to know then ME2 never would have been.

Believable? Not sure I'd agree with that. Diana Aller's basis was very solid in her own right: a reporter in a military-press position without an established tie-down to keep her away and every reason to seek out Shepard's crew. Al'Jilani's made-to-hate status, and past history, would discourage her as a live-in reporter: few people would want her if she was true to character-style, ie rude, abrasive, and contemptable. Emily Wong, who never expressed interest in anything but her civilian/Citadel-side reporting (more interested in local crime or traffic than in Shepard's exploits) would have needed to justify stepping down from an established position (Citadel News anchor) to put herself in danger (which she used Shepard to avoid) for a reporting track she's never demonstrated.


Not saying it couldn't be done, of course, or be enjoyed more. But of those, the only part I'd agree with would be 'interesting', with a caveat.

ME3 is  the supposed last chapter in a trilogy - and all narratives/plotlines should be closing:  one method of closing the reporter plotline I would think is bring one of the reporters Wong or Jilani) onto the Normandy and then reveal the characters development and close the arc.  Why introduce a new character without plot reveals behind it?

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I don't hate her, I dislike her. She is irrelevant.

[xeNNN]

i hated it for two reasons.........emily wong was a perfectly good character and she got killed off so IGN would ride bioware's gear stick.

AND

because they did nothing with tali............ to be honest we should of seen her face when she took her mask off on rannok.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Did bioware actually explained why Chobot is in the game? Did Chobot sleep with one of the devs... or.. i don't know. Why is she in the game?

favour maybe? 

.. even if she was asked by the bioware team - without any hidden agenda - she should have refused the offer. she considers herself a journalist - and as a journalist, she has to be neutral.

participating in a game, is not being neutral.

Besides the sillyness in treating the video game media as a Serius Business, there's are time-honored alternatives to avoiding a conflict of interest than never having a relationship... such as avoiding dealing with the subject in your professional duties in a way in which your biases would change your position. When a person is not in a position to unduly influence the decisions relating to the subject, the conflict is removed.

Does anyone have anything to support any theory that Chobot's role in ME3 affected her treatment of ME3 in a professional capacity?

Hell, does anyone even know if she dealt with ME3 in a professional capacity at all?

where did i imply, that her professionalism was affected?

Where did I imply that you implied?

I didn't: I just pointed out that conflicts of interest are handled in a variety of ways.

the gaming media tries to be taken seriously. they are trying really hard. they call themselves journalists. journalists have a code of conduct. they stay neutral and do not participate. they make research and write about it.

This is an elementry understanding of how journalism works, and like many elementry ideas it has little application to the reality of the world or how things actually work. The media isn't called the Fourth Estate because it is impartial: the media is called the fourth estate because it is a force in its own right.

When you ditch the No True Scotsman fallacy of what journalists 'should' be, you'll quickly find that journalists, by their nature as actual people in actual organizations, bring their own biases and views to the table. Journalists are not neutral observors who rest above politics: they are people see things as they are inclined to, and report them as they wish others to perceive them.

the problem is present - people think that ea or bioware gave this role to chobot, to get benefits. even if this is garbage, the damage is done. by this action, ign lost credibility.

even if she was not "mobbed-up", it could look this way.

If you take anything out of context, ignore any requirements of proof, and desire to see it some way, you make just about anyone look like anything. This is how the media of 'tabloid journalism' was born.

[Dr_Extrem]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Did bioware actually explained why Chobot is in the game? Did Chobot sleep with one of the devs... or.. i don't know. Why is she in the game?

favour maybe? 

.. even if she was asked by the bioware team - without any hidden agenda - she should have refused the offer. she considers herself a journalist - and as a journalist, she has to be neutral.

participating in a game, is not being neutral.

Besides the sillyness in treating the video game media as a Serius Business, there's are time-honored alternatives to avoiding a conflict of interest than never having a relationship... such as avoiding dealing with the subject in your professional duties in a way in which your biases would change your position. When a person is not in a position to unduly influence the decisions relating to the subject, the conflict is removed.

Does anyone have anything to support any theory that Chobot's role in ME3 affected her treatment of ME3 in a professional capacity?

Hell, does anyone even know if she dealt with ME3 in a professional capacity at all?

where did i imply, that her professionalism was affected?

Where did I imply that you implied?

I didn't: I just pointed out that conflicts of interest are handled in a variety of ways.

the gaming media tries to be taken seriously. they are trying really hard. they call themselves journalists. journalists have a code of conduct. they stay neutral and do not participate. they make research and write about it.

This is an elementry understanding of how journalism works, and like many elementry ideas it has little application to the reality of the world or how things actually work. The media isn't called the Fourth Estate because it is impartial: the media is called the fourth estate because it is a force in its own right.

When you ditch the No True Scotsman fallacy of what journalists 'should' be, you'll quickly find that journalists, by their nature as actual people in actual organizations, bring their own biases and views to the table. Journalists are not neutral observors who rest above politics: they are people see things as they are inclined to, and report them as they wish others to perceive them.

the problem is present - people think that ea or bioware gave this role to chobot, to get benefits. even if this is garbage, the damage is done. by this action, ign lost credibility.

even if she was not "mobbed-up", it could look this way.

If you take anything out of context, ignore any requirements of proof, and desire to see it some way, you make just about anyone look like anything. This is how the media of 'tabloid journalism' was born.

the journalists i met try to avoid problems like this ... it has the tendency to backfire. in germany, journalists who bring their own biases into their work, loose credibility. no newspaper or newscast can risks this (not even bildzeitung). outside of columns, journalists have to stick to the facts, without their own bias - from a neutral position. 


it was just an observation: chobot got a role in mass effect 3 and people assume, that she was hired, to get better reviews. i did not make such assumptions. i just pointed out, that people could see it this way - and what they actually do. no matter how wrong it is..

[Dean_the_Young]

Jeffonl1 wrote...
ME3 is  the supposed last chapter in a trilogy - and all narratives/plotlines should be closing:  one method of closing the reporter plotline I would think is bring one of the reporters Wong or Jilani) onto the Normandy and then reveal the characters development and close the arc. 

Reporter plotline? What plotline?

There were two introduced reporters who were alive. Only one of them had actual character development between ME1 and ME2, and it wasn't Emily Wong (who suffered from having character establishment, but not progression: what's-her-face at least went from a respected reporter to a tabloid journalist who, with LotSB clips, suffers abuse and has an implied mistriss). Neither were ever tied with main plots, or had lingering character threads beyond 'how will we punch her this time', and neither were even major supporting character. They were mnor characters in marginal roles.

Why introduce a new character without plot reveals behind it?

Because some people find the chance for meeting new people interesting. Because creating a war correspondant without adverse baggage helps integrate the role into the ship without forcing a largely disliked character or radically changing direction with a minor character already in a different direction. Because Diana Allers was being offered to be voiced by a (very) minor celeberty who was also a news reporter, whereas neither of the other two reporters had anywhere close to the same following to gather attention and act as additional advertising.

Because a lot of factors work together to establish the pros and cons, and at the end of the list Bioware thought it Diana Allers would benefit them more than elevating Emily Wong or Mrs. Punch Alot.

[Peranor]

[Dean_the_Young]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

the journalists i met try to avoid problems like this ... it has the tendency to backfire. in germany, journalists who bring their own biases into their work, loose credibility. no newspaper or newscast can risks this (not even bildzeitung). outside of columns, journalists have to stick to the facts, without their own bias - from a neutral position.

Then it must not translate at all, because every German paper with an english-language service that I've seen has reflected political and personal views in their news articles. Der Spiegal is an excellent example, not only in its own writing but also in its 'Word from Berlin' section which takes the (very opinionated) editorial slants from a number of german newspapers across the political spectrum.

it was just an observation: chobot got a role in mass effect 3 and people assume, that she was hired, to get better reviews. i did not make such assumptions. i just pointed out, that people could see it this way - and what they actually do. no matter how wrong it is..

Then these people are in the wrong for asserting such claims as fact until they can better support them.

[Dr_Extrem]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

the journalists i met try to avoid problems like this ... it has the tendency to backfire. in germany, journalists who bring their own biases into their work, loose credibility. no newspaper or newscast can risks this (not even bildzeitung). outside of columns, journalists have to stick to the facts, without their own bias - from a neutral position.

Then it must not translate at all, because every German paper with an english-language service that I've seen has reflected political and personal views in their news articles. Der Spiegal is an excellent example, not only in its own writing but also in its 'Word from Berlin' section which takes the (very opinionated) editorial slants from a number of german newspapers across the political spectrum.

it was just an observation: chobot got a role in mass effect 3 and people assume, that she was hired, to get better reviews. i did not make such assumptions. i just pointed out, that people could see it this way - and what they actually do. no matter how wrong it is..

Then these people are in the wrong for asserting such claims as fact until they can better support them.

spiegel and stern are bad examples .. both are magazines, who cater to a certain audience. der spiegel is conservative and der stern is more left. 

i was refereing to actual, daily newspapers and day to day journalism.

[Hurbster]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Jeffonl1 wrote...
ME3 is  the supposed last chapter in a trilogy - and all narratives/plotlines should be closing:  one method of closing the reporter plotline I would think is bring one of the reporters Wong or Jilani) onto the Normandy and then reveal the characters development and close the arc. 

Reporter plotline? What plotline?

There were two introduced reporters who were alive. Only one of them had actual character development between ME1 and ME2, and it wasn't Emily Wong (who suffered from having character establishment, but not progression: what's-her-face at least went from a respected reporter to a tabloid journalist who, with LotSB clips, suffers abuse and has an implied mistriss). Neither were ever tied with main plots, or had lingering character threads beyond 'how will we punch her this time', and neither were even major supporting character. They were mnor characters in marginal roles.

Why introduce a new character without plot reveals behind it?

Because some people find the chance for meeting new people interesting. Because creating a war correspondant without adverse baggage helps integrate the role into the ship without forcing a largely disliked character or radically changing direction with a minor character already in a different direction. Because Diana Allers was being offered to be voiced by a (very) minor celeberty who was also a news reporter, whereas neither of the other two reporters had anywhere close to the same following to gather attention and act as additional advertising.

Because a lot of factors work together to establish the pros and cons, and at the end of the list Bioware thought it Diana Allers would benefit them more than elevating Emily Wong or Mrs. Punch Alot.

Well yeah, it got them all that good IGN coverage I guess. I do remember Ms Chobot being so vocal about the people who were complaining about the ending she had to apologize. And how they got rid of Wong....on twitter ? Come on that's just lazy. And was she a minor character ? She is a questgiver in ME1 and has her own show in ME2. And I defy anyone meeting Allers for the first time to consider her 'interesting'. Chobot is a good looking woman - it's a terrible render of her face.

[huntrrz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I dislike her because she apparently takes the spot of other more well-known reporters in Mass Effect, like Emily Wong, who was killed in a rather undignified fashion via Twitter.

Who isn't a vapid wh*re.

Um, I actually LIKED the Emily Wong story.  She went out a hero (and because I CARED about her story, I was refreshing Twitter like a maniac the entire evening.  Mission accomplished!).

I dislike Allers due to the character model and voice acting.  The character is too plastic and has a horribly unprofessional costume.  And I think Chobot could have given a better performance if they'd taken the time to work with her - probably another symptom of rushing to meet the deadline.

[Omega2079]

I'm indifferent to the person/voice acting. The model, well, something looks off about it.

Most of it though I think is just her being from IGN, which a lot of people like to **** on.

[Jere85]

I don't know her, all i know is Diana Allers has just about as much to say as your robot dog in the cargo bay, and whenever the VO opens her mouth it sounds horribly fake. They could have made it such a nice character, keeping morale up through vids and reporting victories, but nope, just a waste of space. That's why i hate Diana Allers. I don't mind Jessica Chobot for trying, although it was a farce and IGN and BW should feel bad for making such a PR stunt.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

the journalists i met try to avoid problems like this ... it has the tendency to backfire. in germany, journalists who bring their own biases into their work, loose credibility. no newspaper or newscast can risks this (not even bildzeitung). outside of columns, journalists have to stick to the facts, without their own bias - from a neutral position.

Then it must not translate at all, because every German paper with an english-language service that I've seen has reflected political and personal views in their news articles. Der Spiegal is an excellent example, not only in its own writing but also in its 'Word from Berlin' section which takes the (very opinionated) editorial slants from a number of german newspapers across the political spectrum.

it was just an observation: chobot got a role in mass effect 3 and people assume, that she was hired, to get better reviews. i did not make such assumptions. i just pointed out, that people could see it this way - and what they actually do. no matter how wrong it is..

Then these people are in the wrong for asserting such claims as fact until they can better support them.

spiegel and stern are bad examples .. both are magazines, who cater to a certain audience. der spiegel is conservative and der stern is more left. 

i was refereing to actual, daily newspapers and day to day journalism.

And now we have a distinction where none was made before... albeit a poorly defined one, since newspapers also cater to certain audiences. Namely, you, the one who have found something aggreable enough that you keep accepting the way they put their words. A newspaper is catered to appeal to the tastes of people with similar views like yourself, or else you would go and read a different one. There are conservative newspapers and liberal newspapers and niche-interest media of all sorts: virtually all are accussed of lacking credibility by those who disagree with them or how they present the news.

If you truly don't think that you're reading news already filtered through someone else's biases, I strongly urge you to reconsider. Even if simply shared views that unite you as a culture, the most dangerous biases are the ones people don't recognize because they simply accept them as natural truths. Looking for adjectives is anj obvious one, even when they aren't overt: if there's a german equivalent for the word 'regime' that's used to describe certain governments, as opposed to 'government.' The relative sympathy or respect various movements are referred to: environmentalism is one that routinely gets positive treatment in the translated German press, with global warming frequently treated as an inarguable truth, whereas people who criticize or reject those consensus are labeled (in similar english media) as 'deniers', a label that pre-supposes a view of an a presumed accepted truth.

Even the simple fact of what news to report in limited time, space, and attention is a mode by which biases and views are reflected, even when no adjectives are used and no views are apparent. Simply by choosing what stories to tell, and what you don't tell, an agenda is furthered.

[AlanC9]

anorling, that graphic needs to be edited -- Allers is actually worth 20 points, since her post-mission convos are worth 5 points each. The joke still works.