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[mrwizeguy]

Fkin PC scrubs L2p

You shoud b banned.

BIOWARE WTF YOU DOING BAN NAO

[GallowsPole]

Like the software itself, using the hardware to manipulate gameplay is not exploitation. Ask anyone. It's simply using the mechanics and software built into your hardware and Windows to win at all costs.

[Ziegrif]

Kind of new to macros myself.
So what and how should I adjust anything to do what?
Tutorial plz!
I wanna keep using my lovely predator without constant wankers cramp!
And if this saves people some cramps and is not considered cheating and is actually HEALTHY to do I'll support this.
Especially good for people with rheumatism.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:06 .

[Anthros]

Masterrace.

lol

[Jarno Mikkola]

Ziegrif wrote...
So what and how should I adjust anything to do what?
Tutorial plz!

Well, all you gotto do is adjust this: 

MouseClick , Left, , , 1, , D 
    Sleep 10
    MouseClick , Left, , , 1, , U
    Sleep 10 

The sleep number is the time the button is pushed in milli seconds(0.001 seconds), the first is the down, while the laiter is up... as shown by the letter before it. So enabling the Acolyte to work, you need a 1000 or something to that effect on the first one ... while the original works on all the mentioned weapons on the first post.

Modifié par Jarno Mikkola, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:17 .

[Ziegrif]

Jarno Mikkola wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...
So what and how should I adjust anything to do what?
Tutorial plz!

Well, all you gotto do is adjust this: 

MouseClick , Left, , , 1, , D 
    Sleep 10
    MouseClick , Left, , , 1, , U
    Sleep 10 

The sleep number is the time the button is pushed in milli seconds(0.001 seconds), the first is the down, while the laiter is up... as shown by the letter before it. So enabling the Acolyte to work, you need a 1000 or something to that effect on the first one ... while the original works on all the mentioned weapons on the first post.

I got a Razer Salmosa so it should hypothetically be possible for me to use the mouse middle button as a macro activator?
So I could shut it off everytime I feel like changing from a mattock or predator?

Modifié par Ziegrif, 05 janvier 2013 - 02:20 .

[count_4]

Koenig888 wrote...
It is cheating if you are firing faster than a human can reasonably click.

This.
The ROF of a semi-auto weapon is part of its balance. If the script allows you to fire faster than you normally would be able to, you're exploiting/cheating.
Question is if BioWare can actually track this, but I guess we'll find out eventually.

[AaronEh]

count_4 wrote...

Koenig888 wrote...
It is cheating if you are firing faster than a human can reasonably click.

This.
The ROF of a semi-auto weapon is part of its balance. If the script allows you to fire faster than you normally would be able to, you're exploiting/cheating.
Question is if BioWare can actually track this, but I guess we'll find out eventually.

You are still limited by the RoF and Refire time.

[count_4]

AaronEh wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Koenig888 wrote...
It is cheating if you are firing faster than a human can reasonably click.

This.
The ROF of a semi-auto weapon is part of its balance. If the script allows you to fire faster than you normally would be able to, you're exploiting/cheating.
Question is if BioWare can actually track this, but I guess we'll find out eventually.

You are still limited by the RoF and Refire time.

Tell that to the Arc Pistol...

[AaronEh]

count_4 wrote...

...snip...

Tell that to the Arc Pistol...

Are you saying the Arc Pistol has no RoF ceiling?  Or the Macro lets you exceed the gun theoretical max RoF?

[Koenig888]

AaronEh wrote...

count_4 wrote...

...snip...

Tell that to the Arc Pistol...

Are you saying the Arc Pistol has no RoF ceiling?  Or the Macro lets you exceed the gun theoretical max RoF?

Arc pistol has a ROF of 550.  No way a human can click 550 times per minute.  I know because I tried.  Couldn't come close even after being turbo-boosted with massive amounts of caffeine.

[FasterThanFTL]

Anyone not charging the Arc Pistol and shooting, is doing it wrong. Use scope and Phasic Rounds III and snipe things.

[AaronEh]

Koenig888 wrote...

AaronEh wrote...

count_4 wrote...

...snip...

Tell that to the Arc Pistol...

Are you saying the Arc Pistol has no RoF ceiling?  Or the Macro lets you exceed the gun theoretical max RoF?

Arc pistol has a ROF of 550.  No way a human can click 550 times per minute.  I know because I tried.  Couldn't come close even after being turbo-boosted with massive amounts of caffeine.

I don't dispute that.

All I said is a macro doesn't let you exceed the gun's built in thresholds.

Whether it is cheating or not is for Bioware to decide.  So far, I've seen several threads posted here about setting up macros and none have been closed or Bioware hasn't stated it is prohobited.  

[Schw4ng1n]

Thanks, OP! This..."clever use of PC mechanics" is a godsend.

[banans_huligans]

If you want to tune down the rate of fire for the script, adjust number for sleep. Currently it is set to once per 10ms which is a waaaay too much, with "sleep 100" it would fire 10 times per second, 600 clicks per minute. So mess around with those settings see how it works for you

As for claiming it is cheating, eh all the weapons have rof limits so no big deal and also keep in mind that mattock is the only good gun that benefits from the script, the arc pistol, phalanx, predator and raptor are not turned into uber op guns

Modifié par banans_huligans, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:07 .

[count_4]

Did a quick test with the tool - it seems that the tool itself is capping the ROF by delivering 20 clicks per second tops. 

Quick video for those interested: Arc Pistol Fun (sorry for the bad quality in some parts, youtube messed up the processing...)

The tool should at least be able to provide 200 clicks per second, so either AHK is pretty slow or something is interfering. 

edit: Sidenote to avoid confusion - the tool is still fast enough to reach the full RoF on any semi-auto weapon. It's just weird that it is so slow in general.

Modifié par count_4, 06 janvier 2013 - 12:22 .

[banans_huligans]

There was and old discussion somewhere the the game itself was not registering all the clicks so thats the reason ppl were puting really short sleep times in the script

[count_4]

banans_huligans wrote...

There was and old discussion somewhere the the game itself was not registering all the clicks so thats the reason ppl were puting really short sleep times in the script

I tested the speed outside the game, so that's not the limiting factor (at least not the only one).

[78stonewobble]

Koenig888 wrote...

It is cheating if you are firing faster than a human can reasonably click.

I used a mouse auto-fire macro for the Valkyrie challenge but dialed the ROF down to 200+ from 1,000 600, since that is the rate at which I can click. I do this to save wear and tear on the finger and do not gain any advantage. Using an auto-fire macro without bringing down the ROF is cheating, since it allows a higher DPS than a human can reasonably achieve through manual clicking.

Derp... I can certainly understand the no wear on mouse and finger argument (it's for that reason I prefer full auto) but... uhm... you could make the same argument for an aimbot or a full ai just taking over. It should just miss as much as you and save the keyboard and mouse and then that would be ok. o.O

TBH. I personally don't really care what people do too much in a coop game

EDIT: Even lowering the rof to what is a personal best rather than a personal average. People don't allways play at 100 percent.

Well... I was just pondering the concept and it's just my humble oppinion.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:17 .

[Mr Arg]

Do you have to set a 'rounds fired per second' value for this? Or does it assume the weapon's max ROF?

On the controller I have you have to set it manually, if you go higher than the weapon's max ROF it skips out and won't always fire a shot.

Modifié par Mr Arg, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:09 .

[paperbook]

I use the AHK for quick and easy keyboard and mouse remapping.
For example: If I want to play as Human Adept, I press "H" then "A".
It sets Singulatory for left mouse button
Warp for right mouse button
and Shockwave for mouse wheel click
If I want to choose another kit (Human Sentinel), I press "H" and "S".
It sets Tech Armor for mouse wheel
Warp for right button
and Throw for left button.

It is very cool.
Proud of being glorious PC user.

[Taritu]

Seems dubious, but eh, up to Bioware to decide if it's actually a cheat. At the least, a reminder to build in top fire limits into non auto weapons in the future.

[jakenou]

Been waiting to try out a macro like this. Has anyone who has used this gotten any performance hit for running the background script?

count_4 wrote...

Did a quick test with the tool - it seems that the tool itself is capping the ROF by delivering 20 clicks per second tops. 

Quick video for those interested: Arc Pistol Fun (sorry for the bad quality in some parts, youtube messed up the processing...)

The tool should at least be able to provide 200 clicks per second, so either AHK is pretty slow or something is interfering. 

Judging from the video, whatever it's capping the Arc at still looks like a fully charged Energizer bunny is hammering on your mouse I'd say 200 cps would just be... not right.

IIRC there were some vague responses from biower when people mentioned using macros. It was something to the effect of an intentional non-answer - neither encouraging or discouraging it.

Modifié par jkthunder, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:22 .