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[Olympiclash]

I actually wrote this for another thread where, upon pressing submit, found the thread locked. I almost cried. lol

I enjoy the endings and I believe it would be pretty much impossible for Bioware to please even most people, let alone everyone. They dedicated a lot of time, money and hard work from their lives on those endings and when a very vocal portion of their audience DEMANDED "BETTER"...(let that sink in a bit)...they went back in and gave players more and didn't ask them to pay for it.

Bioware has reacted to this whole controversy with nothing but class IMO. If I were in their shoes and people started calling for my job and, in some extreme cases, my LIFE, my reaction wouldn't be as polite. Believe it or not, they actually DO care about their audience. That does not mean they have to cave in to every demand. Does a parent not love their child just because they don't buy the kid a toy even though the kid throws a temper-tantrum?

Personally, I just find it quite sad that a property I love so much, and clearly others do as well, is being looked at in such a negative light now because of ten minutes of gameplay. Ten minutes out of HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay is apparently "so bad" that they are willing to let it ruin the entire franchise for them. Is it really that bad? I don't believe it is. Is the ending exactly like I had envisioned it would be? Thankfully it is not, as in retrospect that ending would look like something out of a Michael Bay film - lots of explosions and epic action scenes...yet quite shallow. The endings make me think and allow for what is ultimately a philosophical debate among players.

I actually think that's pretty cool. Just my opinion though.

Modifié par Olympiclash, 28 décembre 2012 - 02:02 .

[Rahmiel]

The only thing I dislike about the endings, is the trade off for them. I like destroy, I think it's the best, but I dislike having to wipe out the geth, and edi. I think the endings do a good job in making you weigh your decision. So what's my gripe then? Where else in this game does that occur?

In every other situation, from ME1 and 2, you are presented with a decision, and there is paragon, or renegade. Now, in the final decision you can't get everything you want. It's.. inconsistent in that respect (with respect to every other choice in the game, there not being some big trade off) and others will argue it's not consistent at all in terms of lore and plausibility, etc.

The reaction has been ridiculous. When I first beat the game, I was upset and mad. Then I just played more ME3 and talked about it with my friends and.. through discussing and talking about it, I've come to terms with it. The ending does not ruin the whole game, or the whole series. It's still fantastic and I still really love the game. But I dislike the ending. C'est la vie.

More people have to understand that it's just a game, and it's art. If you do not care for the vision of the creators, that's your problem and you can choose to not engage. That's your only recourse, as far as I'm concerned.

[CosmicGnosis]

Ever since ME1, I was hoping that the trilogy would end on some kind of philosophical note. I expected a conversation with the Reapers, and a hard choice or two. I was quite pleased to see that all those things came to pass.

However, BioWare didn't present the epic ideas in a very effective way. They simplified and rushed the Catalyst conversation, and had an abrupt ending. The EC still didn't fix some severe problems. Now many fans hate the franchise. It makes me depressed.

[Slayer299]

Did you play the post or preEC?

And for me ME3 was not "bad" because of the endings alone, BW screwed up in the other parts of ME3 enough that the endings were just 1 more straw too many.

[TMZuk]

Yeah, sorry. I am not religious, and being forced into a messiah/saviour role is not to my liking. The endings suck, simply because the player is forced to have their character commit suicide. ( No matter the wriggling finger in high EMS/destruction )

Ther are many other reasons why they suck, but none as important as this, IMO. I find them utterly and totally depressing, and I don't play video-games to become depressed.

Modifié par TMZuk, 28 décembre 2012 - 01:45 .

[Dubozz]

Back in the days when i looked at something with Mass Effect label on it before the endings i was exited and full of good thoughts and memories. Now i'am not. Every time I think about the game i feel sadness and disappointment. Just my opinion though.

[Mazebook]

I agree with the OP.

nicely written.

[Olympiclash]

Slayer299 wrote...

Did you play the post or preEC?

And for me ME3 was not "bad" because of the endings alone, BW screwed up in the other parts of ME3 enough that the endings were just 1 more straw too many.

Both. I definietly like the endings more with the EC though.

I can totally respect if you had other issues with the game overall. I might not agree with them but at least it's reasonable.

[Olympiclash]

maaaze wrote...

I agree with the OP.

nicely written.

Thanks!  

[Jagri]

Hundreds of hours later and five years of playing and I end up with a ending I achieve back in 2000 with the game Deus Ex.

Modifié par Jagri, 28 décembre 2012 - 02:21 .

[Olympiclash]

Many would argue that a "lack of originality" can be applied to most (if not all) forms of art now.

[Olympiclash]

vivaladricas wrote...

It is a good post OP. Bioware's defense is those stacks of cash IMO. : )

I guess, in the end, that's the only defense they need. Now I kind of feel like Betty White sticking up for Bruce Lee. lol

[BonFire5]

I can respect them on some level. The way I see it though, the way they handled the ending crisis was "too bad, but alright, here's something extra. Love us again". The Extended Cut didn't feel sincere. It felt like something that screwed up getting more money through Omega and Leviathan.
Plus, they haven't been any real help to PS3 gamers. We need an install patch for better load times and to prolong the life of our Disc Drives, and it took 6 months for them to get a patch out that would help with the disconnect issues in Muliplayer.

[Jadebaby]

?+?+? =/= Art.

Let that sink in a bit.

[hiraeth]

Olympiclash wrote...

Personally, I just find it quite sad that a property I love so much, and clearly others do as well, is being looked at in such a negative light now because of ten minutes of gameplay. Ten minutes out of HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay is apparently "so bad" that they are willing to let it ruin the entire franchise for them. Is it really that bad?

Well, I obviously can't speak for everyone, but for myself, I strongly disliked the ending and it wasn't the only thing I disliked about the game- certain missions in ME3 were forced and boring, the abundance of autodialogue was annoying, etc. That being said, I want to point out that it wasn't just the last 10 minutes that was ruined...it was (a) the entire replay value of the game, as every time I tried to restart a character and play through ME3 again I would have disturbing flashbacks to the end of the game and lose all motivation to play through it again and ( the many months after the ending, where I'd think back on the ending and mourn the senseless demise of a franchise that I had come to love and really connect with...I spent days just thinking about how awful the ending made me feel, so it was way more than 10 minutes. 

I'm glad you were able to find some pleasure or at least acceptance in the ME3 ending. I can't, and it wasn't just the last 10 minutes in isolation that fuel my disappointment.

[Comm1Sheppard]

Enough with that crap already lets focus on ME4 xd

[BonFire5]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Olympiclash wrote...

Personally, I just find it quite sad that a property I love so much, and clearly others do as well, is being looked at in such a negative light now because of ten minutes of gameplay. Ten minutes out of HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay is apparently "so bad" that they are willing to let it ruin the entire franchise for them. Is it really that bad?

Well, I obviously can't speak for everyone, but for myself, I strongly disliked the ending and it wasn't the only thing I disliked about the game- certain missions in ME3 were forced and boring, the abundance of autodialogue was annoying, etc. That being said, I want to point out that it wasn't just the last 10 minutes that was ruined...it was (a) the entire replay value of the game, as every time I tried to restart a character and play through ME3 again I would have disturbing flashbacks to the end of the game and lose all motivation to play through it again and ( the many months after the ending, where I'd think back on the ending and mourn the senseless demise of a franchise that I had come to love and really connect with...I spent days just thinking about how awful the ending made me feel, so it was way more than 10 minutes. 

I'm glad you were able to find some pleasure or at least acceptance in the ME3 ending. I can't, and it wasn't just the last 10 minutes in isolation that fuel my disappointment.

Control before EC. Blue light, dissintegrated Shepard, Joker fleeing the scene for no reason, Citadel and Relays broken, Garrus and Tali coming out of the Normandy despite being vaporised by Harbinger, looking on to a world they probably can't eat anything on, a very creepy Buzz Aldrin, and then a message telling me to buy more DLC.

Now imagine that, but with a Green or Red light. Exact same thing. Unless you played Multiplayer for an hour (pretty much impossible for PS3 users at the time) and received the last breath of Shepard.

Safe to say,  I couldn't really go back to play the game. I can barely bring myself to play Mass Effect 2 because it just leads to 3. Now, I can't think of anything else to say.

Modifié par BonFire5, 28 décembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[hiraeth]

oops wrong post!

Modifié par MassEffectFShep, 28 décembre 2012 - 02:40 .

[Olympiclash]

Comm1Sheppard wrote...

Enough with that crap already lets focus on ME4 xd

Fair enough, sir. I just had to get that off my back. Onward and upward! 

[JPN17]

Olympiclash wrote...

Bioware has reacted to this whole controversy with nothing but class IMO. If I were in their shoes and people started calling for my job and, in some extreme cases, my LIFE, my reaction wouldn't be as polite. Believe it or not, they actually DO care about their audience. That does not mean they have to cave in to every demand. Does a parent not love their child just because they don't buy the kid a toy even though the kid throws a temper-tantrum?

Uh, no. The talking down to the player the catalyst does in the EC in combination with the fact that you can trigger the refusal ending by shooting the god kid shows a tremendous amount of bitterness and resentment toward the fanbase from bioware. Their whole attitude of "it's your fault" was not classy at all.

[ld1449]

Olympiclash wrote...

They dedicated a lot of time, money and hard work from their lives on those endings a

 Ten minutes out of HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay is apparently "so bad" that they are willing to let it ruin the entire franchise for them.

Is it really that bad?

They plagiarised off of an earlier, better game, that the director and Lead writer flat out admitted before ME3's release, that the piece in question (Deus Ex) Was their "All time favorite game"

Hardly a lot of time and hard work for doing a cut and paste job.

If I have a friend, for years, then suddenly he up and shoots my wife in the face I will not think "Oh well. It was a good friendship till that point."  I will focus on those last few seconds and it will sour the rest of my memories with that individual.


Ohhhhh yes. I could write a freakin thesis paper on how bad the endings are. If you REALLY want to hear even a portion of it send a PM. I could use a good debate without the whole hubub. It gets rather old.

[Olympiclash]

ld1449 wrote...

Olympiclash wrote...

They dedicated a lot of time, money and hard work from their lives on those endings a

 Ten minutes out of HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay is apparently "so bad" that they are willing to let it ruin the entire franchise for them.

Is it really that bad?

They plagiarised off of an earlier, better game, that the director and Lead writer flat out admitted before ME3's release, that the piece in question (Deus Ex) Was their "All time favorite game"

Hardly a lot of time and hard work for doing a cut and paste job.

If I have a friend, for years, then suddenly he up and shoots my wife in the face I will not think "Oh well. It was a good friendship till that point."  I will focus on those last few seconds and it will sour the rest of my memories with that individual.

Ohhhhh yes. I could write a freakin thesis paper on how bad the endings are. If you REALLY want to hear even a portion of it send a PM. I could use a good debate without the whole hubub. It gets rather old. 

I might do that actually. A good clean debate is always fun.

The friend analogy really only seems fair if your feelings on the ending are that negative. Mine are not so that seems like two WAY different things.

[Jagri]

ld1449 wrote...

Olympiclash wrote...

They dedicated a lot of time, money and hard work from their lives on those endings a

 Ten minutes out of HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay is apparently "so bad" that they are willing to let it ruin the entire franchise for them.

Is it really that bad?

They plagiarised off of an earlier, better game, that the director and Lead writer flat out admitted before ME3's release, that the piece in question (Deus Ex) Was their "All time favorite game"

Hardly a lot of time and hard work for doing a cut and paste job.

If I have a friend, for years, then suddenly he up and shoots my wife in the face I will not think "Oh well. It was a good friendship till that point."  I will focus on those last few seconds and it will sour the rest of my memories with that individual.


Ohhhhh yes. I could write a freakin thesis paper on how bad the endings are. If you REALLY want to hear even a portion of it send a PM. I could use a good debate without the whole hubub. It gets rather old.

No one seems able to counter the Deus Ex angle... In fact whenever mentioned it is flat out ignored. The sad thing about it is in 2000 I picked the "destroy" ending. In 2012 I picked the "destroy" ending once again. Same color... Same choice... Same results just on a smaller scale.